Business boost for town centre as pizza chain Papa John's moves into Bridge Street

Business boost for Bridge Street

Papa John's will move into Bridge Street

Business boost for Bridge Street

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St Helens Star: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

A BIG name pizza chain could be one of two new food outlets to locate on the town centre's Bridge Street.

The businesses have applied to open on the street, potentially bringing investment and jobs to an area where there are currently a number of vacant buildings.

International pizza take away and delivery chain Papa John's has applied to set up shop at number 54, which is part of the former Buzby's nightspot. This would be the town's first branch of the restaurant and would transform part of a building which has fallen into disrepair. The outlet would also create a number of jobs.

The Papa John's proposal is currently open for consultation and it will go on to the planning committee if there are any objections.

Meanwhile, St Helens Council has already given the go-ahead to plans to bring a restaurant and take away to number 35 Bridge Street, a double fronted building which was formerly the Fluid bar and previously the Nelson.

Bidders the Gauchwin Group say the restaurant business "will improve the economic, social and environmental conditions of the area".

The restaurant and takeaway will bring three full-time and two part-time jobs to the area and will be open every day between 8am and 11pm. Currently the premises is closed during the day so the new restaurant will bring day-time footfall to the area.

The proposal was approved on August 8 subject to conditions.

 

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9:56am Thu 21 Aug 14

mikeperry109 says...

Is St. Helens, once a hub of manufacturing, now the fast food capital of Britain? There are around 9 fast food outlets in Thatto Heath alone. The creation of a few minimum wage jobs is hardly worth the space the report takes up.
Is St. Helens, once a hub of manufacturing, now the fast food capital of Britain? There are around 9 fast food outlets in Thatto Heath alone. The creation of a few minimum wage jobs is hardly worth the space the report takes up. mikeperry109
  • Score: 19

10:31am Thu 21 Aug 14

Hughwithaview says...

I endorse everything Mike Perry says

Why do we need yet another Pizza Chain - we already have Pizza Hut and Domino's plus a plethora of independent pizza shops. All this rubbish about improving "economic, social and environmental conditions" - this Council just cannot stop insulting our intelligence. All the jobs associated with Papa Johns and the proposed restaurant and takeaway will be minimum wage so cut the bull, there is nothing to celebrate here.
I endorse everything Mike Perry says Why do we need yet another Pizza Chain - we already have Pizza Hut and Domino's plus a plethora of independent pizza shops. All this rubbish about improving "economic, social and environmental conditions" - this Council just cannot stop insulting our intelligence. All the jobs associated with Papa Johns and the proposed restaurant and takeaway will be minimum wage so cut the bull, there is nothing to celebrate here. Hughwithaview
  • Score: 17

5:05pm Thu 21 Aug 14

barrie timpson says...

Remember kids - eat healthy just like The Council says.
Remember kids - eat healthy just like The Council says. barrie timpson
  • Score: 12

7:07pm Thu 21 Aug 14

mikeashworth says...

Hahaha, I can already imagine what the the comments thread on this story will look like in a few days time.

The usual doom mongers and naysayers will chime in with the usual pound shop, card shop, coffee shop, what no primark, john lewis, quotes etc.

An empty shop, a business that thinks it can make a go of it. thats nothing to do with the council at all. i'm not sure why you think it is their "fault" that this business is opening.

If you want to see different shops in town, you could always start a business yourself, or maybe just keep rubbishing the town like you usually do.

Step up, or step back.
Hahaha, I can already imagine what the the comments thread on this story will look like in a few days time. The usual doom mongers and naysayers will chime in with the usual pound shop, card shop, coffee shop, what no primark, john lewis, quotes etc. An empty shop, a business that thinks it can make a go of it. thats nothing to do with the council at all. i'm not sure why you think it is their "fault" that this business is opening. If you want to see different shops in town, you could always start a business yourself, or maybe just keep rubbishing the town like you usually do. Step up, or step back. mikeashworth
  • Score: -16

9:53pm Thu 21 Aug 14

lawman2004 says...

start a business... don't make me laugh. Whilst this council has been blaming private landlords for putting up business rents and thus driving business's out of the town, they themselves have been undertaking rent reviews of business's on council land. I know of one that has just been told, after a cursory 15 minute inspection, that its council rent will go up from £1,500 per year to £2,300 just like that. No right of appeal, no explanation as to why the council value the land at this rate. What a thank you for employing two local residents as the business finds itself put under financial pressure it could well do with out.
start a business... don't make me laugh. Whilst this council has been blaming private landlords for putting up business rents and thus driving business's out of the town, they themselves have been undertaking rent reviews of business's on council land. I know of one that has just been told, after a cursory 15 minute inspection, that its council rent will go up from £1,500 per year to £2,300 just like that. No right of appeal, no explanation as to why the council value the land at this rate. What a thank you for employing two local residents as the business finds itself put under financial pressure it could well do with out. lawman2004
  • Score: 16

11:35pm Thu 21 Aug 14

barrie timpson says...

mikeashworth wrote:
Hahaha, I can already imagine what the the comments thread on this story will look like in a few days time.

The usual doom mongers and naysayers will chime in with the usual pound shop, card shop, coffee shop, what no primark, john lewis, quotes etc.

An empty shop, a business that thinks it can make a go of it. thats nothing to do with the council at all. i'm not sure why you think it is their "fault" that this business is opening.

If you want to see different shops in town, you could always start a business yourself, or maybe just keep rubbishing the town like you usually do.

Step up, or step back.
Think I'll just keep steeping on a bus or train to Liverpool to be honest Mike.
At least there they have some shops as well as Pizza places.
[quote][p][bold]mikeashworth[/bold] wrote: Hahaha, I can already imagine what the the comments thread on this story will look like in a few days time. The usual doom mongers and naysayers will chime in with the usual pound shop, card shop, coffee shop, what no primark, john lewis, quotes etc. An empty shop, a business that thinks it can make a go of it. thats nothing to do with the council at all. i'm not sure why you think it is their "fault" that this business is opening. If you want to see different shops in town, you could always start a business yourself, or maybe just keep rubbishing the town like you usually do. Step up, or step back.[/p][/quote]Think I'll just keep steeping on a bus or train to Liverpool to be honest Mike. At least there they have some shops as well as Pizza places. barrie timpson
  • Score: 10

4:15pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Hughwithaview says...

mikeashworth wrote:
Hahaha, I can already imagine what the the comments thread on this story will look like in a few days time.

The usual doom mongers and naysayers will chime in with the usual pound shop, card shop, coffee shop, what no primark, john lewis, quotes etc.

An empty shop, a business that thinks it can make a go of it. thats nothing to do with the council at all. i'm not sure why you think it is their "fault" that this business is opening.

If you want to see different shops in town, you could always start a business yourself, or maybe just keep rubbishing the town like you usually do.

Step up, or step back.
I would sooner speak the truth and if that means being called a prophet of doom, then so be it. At least I am not fiddling while Rome aka St Helens burns, which is what this Council is certainly guilty of - and as long as there are people like you, they will keep getting away with selling us all short. If anyone needs to "step up" I suggest you start with Barrie, Marie and crew.
[quote][p][bold]mikeashworth[/bold] wrote: Hahaha, I can already imagine what the the comments thread on this story will look like in a few days time. The usual doom mongers and naysayers will chime in with the usual pound shop, card shop, coffee shop, what no primark, john lewis, quotes etc. An empty shop, a business that thinks it can make a go of it. thats nothing to do with the council at all. i'm not sure why you think it is their "fault" that this business is opening. If you want to see different shops in town, you could always start a business yourself, or maybe just keep rubbishing the town like you usually do. Step up, or step back.[/p][/quote]I would sooner speak the truth and if that means being called a prophet of doom, then so be it. At least I am not fiddling while Rome aka St Helens burns, which is what this Council is certainly guilty of - and as long as there are people like you, they will keep getting away with selling us all short. If anyone needs to "step up" I suggest you start with Barrie, Marie and crew. Hughwithaview
  • Score: 6

6:37pm Fri 22 Aug 14

keepitreel says...

so another low paid small employee based business opens,i dont care if they are the biggest in the world this town is at saturation point with fast food oulets,the council could say no thank you we have enough but they would sooner have the few quid in rates etc ,do the right thing sometimes BAZA and just say no.
so another low paid small employee based business opens,i dont care if they are the biggest in the world this town is at saturation point with fast food oulets,the council could say no thank you we have enough but they would sooner have the few quid in rates etc ,do the right thing sometimes BAZA and just say no. keepitreel
  • Score: 6

7:30pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Sankey says...

A pizza shop opening is this really headline news ? In St. Helens I guess it is. These outlets are opening and closing all the time some other business will suffer when it takes the trade and then that one will close.
A pizza shop opening is this really headline news ? In St. Helens I guess it is. These outlets are opening and closing all the time some other business will suffer when it takes the trade and then that one will close. Sankey
  • Score: 5

10:11pm Fri 22 Aug 14

barrie timpson says...

I've told you , St Helens is some kind of Labour social experiment.

The star is like it's propaganda division , and the council are the agents.

It's codename is " Let's see how badly we can decimate the area how many totally crazy schemes we can impose on them and see how long we can stay in power"

However "Operation Rimmer" ended some years ago , but they still remain firmly in power.
I've told you , St Helens is some kind of Labour social experiment. The star is like it's propaganda division , and the council are the agents. It's codename is " Let's see how badly we can decimate the area how many totally crazy schemes we can impose on them and see how long we can stay in power" However "Operation Rimmer" ended some years ago , but they still remain firmly in power. barrie timpson
  • Score: 10

8:33am Sun 24 Aug 14

craig30 says...

really cant win with you lot on here can you,its the same on facebook groups,you moan there are empty shops and the town falling into disrepair,then a chain comes along (which in my opinion is better than pizza hut) and wants to open you critisice it,same with costa taking the corner plot near argos,if developers,chain stores or independent retailers read some of the comments here they would wonder why they should come to st helens,if its not right for one group of people who cares,lots of others will use the new restaurants even if you dont want to
really cant win with you lot on here can you,its the same on facebook groups,you moan there are empty shops and the town falling into disrepair,then a chain comes along (which in my opinion is better than pizza hut) and wants to open you critisice it,same with costa taking the corner plot near argos,if developers,chain stores or independent retailers read some of the comments here they would wonder why they should come to st helens,if its not right for one group of people who cares,lots of others will use the new restaurants even if you dont want to craig30
  • Score: -3

10:40am Sun 24 Aug 14

mikeperry109 says...

craig30 wrote:
really cant win with you lot on here can you,its the same on facebook groups,you moan there are empty shops and the town falling into disrepair,then a chain comes along (which in my opinion is better than pizza hut) and wants to open you critisice it,same with costa taking the corner plot near argos,if developers,chain stores or independent retailers read some of the comments here they would wonder why they should come to st helens,if its not right for one group of people who cares,lots of others will use the new restaurants even if you dont want to
You miss the point - we cannot build a local economy on fast food outlets and minimum wage jobs. The quality of the fast food is not an issue, it is the lack of manufacturing and high tech jobs that is the problem. Your point that any shop is better than an empty one is valid in a way, but we need much more than this if we are to re-generate St. Helens
[quote][p][bold]craig30[/bold] wrote: really cant win with you lot on here can you,its the same on facebook groups,you moan there are empty shops and the town falling into disrepair,then a chain comes along (which in my opinion is better than pizza hut) and wants to open you critisice it,same with costa taking the corner plot near argos,if developers,chain stores or independent retailers read some of the comments here they would wonder why they should come to st helens,if its not right for one group of people who cares,lots of others will use the new restaurants even if you dont want to[/p][/quote]You miss the point - we cannot build a local economy on fast food outlets and minimum wage jobs. The quality of the fast food is not an issue, it is the lack of manufacturing and high tech jobs that is the problem. Your point that any shop is better than an empty one is valid in a way, but we need much more than this if we are to re-generate St. Helens mikeperry109
  • Score: 6

12:07pm Sun 24 Aug 14

barrie timpson says...

Costa is opening - Aroma is shutting - that's the problem you see - too many of the same things.

This Pizza place will just close another , and that is not progression.
Costa is opening - Aroma is shutting - that's the problem you see - too many of the same things. This Pizza place will just close another , and that is not progression. barrie timpson
  • Score: 5

12:31pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Hughwithaview says...

craig30 wrote:
really cant win with you lot on here can you,its the same on facebook groups,you moan there are empty shops and the town falling into disrepair,then a chain comes along (which in my opinion is better than pizza hut) and wants to open you critisice it,same with costa taking the corner plot near argos,if developers,chain stores or independent retailers read some of the comments here they would wonder why they should come to st helens,if its not right for one group of people who cares,lots of others will use the new restaurants even if you dont want to
Who cares? - well obviously we "moaners and whiners" or else we would not bother to comment at all. Why should be we have to accept such a low level of ambition in this town. I do not for one minute worry if Papa Johns is better then Pizza Hut, Domino's etc but I just cannot agree that we should be happy that at least one empty shop is going to re-open.

The anything is better than nothing attitude just about sums up the expectation in St Helens and it is a sad state of affairs which has come about after years of apathy from a Council that has not the ability or acumen required to turn things around.

It has already been said - there is only so much custom available so it is inevitable that increased competition for the same type of fast food establishments will lead to closures. What will we have gained then?

It also makes me smile that a Council Leader can bang on about obesity, the need to take regular exercise and how important the re-vamping of Ruskin is whilst at the same time allowing more and more fast food outlets to open up for business. Oh well, at least Bridge Street is not near a school, so perhaps we should be grateful!
[quote][p][bold]craig30[/bold] wrote: really cant win with you lot on here can you,its the same on facebook groups,you moan there are empty shops and the town falling into disrepair,then a chain comes along (which in my opinion is better than pizza hut) and wants to open you critisice it,same with costa taking the corner plot near argos,if developers,chain stores or independent retailers read some of the comments here they would wonder why they should come to st helens,if its not right for one group of people who cares,lots of others will use the new restaurants even if you dont want to[/p][/quote]Who cares? - well obviously we "moaners and whiners" or else we would not bother to comment at all. Why should be we have to accept such a low level of ambition in this town. I do not for one minute worry if Papa Johns is better then Pizza Hut, Domino's etc but I just cannot agree that we should be happy that at least one empty shop is going to re-open. The anything is better than nothing attitude just about sums up the expectation in St Helens and it is a sad state of affairs which has come about after years of apathy from a Council that has not the ability or acumen required to turn things around. It has already been said - there is only so much custom available so it is inevitable that increased competition for the same type of fast food establishments will lead to closures. What will we have gained then? It also makes me smile that a Council Leader can bang on about obesity, the need to take regular exercise and how important the re-vamping of Ruskin is whilst at the same time allowing more and more fast food outlets to open up for business. Oh well, at least Bridge Street is not near a school, so perhaps we should be grateful! Hughwithaview
  • Score: 8

7:57pm Sun 24 Aug 14

anthonywilson says...

This epitomises a Council with zero ideas and zero ambition. As Mike Perry and others have said another pizza chain is certainly not needed as St Helens is more than well covered.
Whilst a shop being used is better than an empty shop it also illustrates that this Council have absolutely no plan whatsoever to improve the town centre. In the same way that St Helens is utterly awash with supermarkets all this new pizza place will do is DISPLACE existing trade from existing shops. Amazingly its hard to understand how many of these takeaways manage to survive as it is given that pizza can be made up bought fresh at a fraction of the cost from any of the big supermarkets. Given also the recent CAB report into debt in St Helens far more needs to be done to address the wider and more important economic issues rather than further duplication of existing stores and the creation of further minimum wage jobs which are then (including their employers) inevitably also subsidised by other tax payers.
This epitomises a Council with zero ideas and zero ambition. As Mike Perry and others have said another pizza chain is certainly not needed as St Helens is more than well covered. Whilst a shop being used is better than an empty shop it also illustrates that this Council have absolutely no plan whatsoever to improve the town centre. In the same way that St Helens is utterly awash with supermarkets all this new pizza place will do is DISPLACE existing trade from existing shops. Amazingly its hard to understand how many of these takeaways manage to survive as it is given that pizza can be made up bought fresh at a fraction of the cost from any of the big supermarkets. Given also the recent CAB report into debt in St Helens far more needs to be done to address the wider and more important economic issues rather than further duplication of existing stores and the creation of further minimum wage jobs which are then (including their employers) inevitably also subsidised by other tax payers. anthonywilson
  • Score: 6

8:14pm Sun 24 Aug 14

mikeperry109 says...

anthonywilson wrote:
This epitomises a Council with zero ideas and zero ambition. As Mike Perry and others have said another pizza chain is certainly not needed as St Helens is more than well covered.
Whilst a shop being used is better than an empty shop it also illustrates that this Council have absolutely no plan whatsoever to improve the town centre. In the same way that St Helens is utterly awash with supermarkets all this new pizza place will do is DISPLACE existing trade from existing shops. Amazingly its hard to understand how many of these takeaways manage to survive as it is given that pizza can be made up bought fresh at a fraction of the cost from any of the big supermarkets. Given also the recent CAB report into debt in St Helens far more needs to be done to address the wider and more important economic issues rather than further duplication of existing stores and the creation of further minimum wage jobs which are then (including their employers) inevitably also subsidised by other tax payers.
I have long suspected, Anthony, that some of the fast food outlets are set up to launder money. Have no evidence, but as you point out, how do they all survive?
[quote][p][bold]anthonywilson[/bold] wrote: This epitomises a Council with zero ideas and zero ambition. As Mike Perry and others have said another pizza chain is certainly not needed as St Helens is more than well covered. Whilst a shop being used is better than an empty shop it also illustrates that this Council have absolutely no plan whatsoever to improve the town centre. In the same way that St Helens is utterly awash with supermarkets all this new pizza place will do is DISPLACE existing trade from existing shops. Amazingly its hard to understand how many of these takeaways manage to survive as it is given that pizza can be made up bought fresh at a fraction of the cost from any of the big supermarkets. Given also the recent CAB report into debt in St Helens far more needs to be done to address the wider and more important economic issues rather than further duplication of existing stores and the creation of further minimum wage jobs which are then (including their employers) inevitably also subsidised by other tax payers.[/p][/quote]I have long suspected, Anthony, that some of the fast food outlets are set up to launder money. Have no evidence, but as you point out, how do they all survive? mikeperry109
  • Score: 1

10:33pm Sun 24 Aug 14

anthonywilson says...

mikeperry109 wrote:
anthonywilson wrote:
This epitomises a Council with zero ideas and zero ambition. As Mike Perry and others have said another pizza chain is certainly not needed as St Helens is more than well covered.
Whilst a shop being used is better than an empty shop it also illustrates that this Council have absolutely no plan whatsoever to improve the town centre. In the same way that St Helens is utterly awash with supermarkets all this new pizza place will do is DISPLACE existing trade from existing shops. Amazingly its hard to understand how many of these takeaways manage to survive as it is given that pizza can be made up bought fresh at a fraction of the cost from any of the big supermarkets. Given also the recent CAB report into debt in St Helens far more needs to be done to address the wider and more important economic issues rather than further duplication of existing stores and the creation of further minimum wage jobs which are then (including their employers) inevitably also subsidised by other tax payers.
I have long suspected, Anthony, that some of the fast food outlets are set up to launder money. Have no evidence, but as you point out, how do they all survive?
It wouldn't surprise me at all Mike given this story in the Star not all that long ago.
http://www.sthelenss
tar.co.uk/news/50266
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[quote][p][bold]mikeperry109[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anthonywilson[/bold] wrote: This epitomises a Council with zero ideas and zero ambition. As Mike Perry and others have said another pizza chain is certainly not needed as St Helens is more than well covered. Whilst a shop being used is better than an empty shop it also illustrates that this Council have absolutely no plan whatsoever to improve the town centre. In the same way that St Helens is utterly awash with supermarkets all this new pizza place will do is DISPLACE existing trade from existing shops. Amazingly its hard to understand how many of these takeaways manage to survive as it is given that pizza can be made up bought fresh at a fraction of the cost from any of the big supermarkets. Given also the recent CAB report into debt in St Helens far more needs to be done to address the wider and more important economic issues rather than further duplication of existing stores and the creation of further minimum wage jobs which are then (including their employers) inevitably also subsidised by other tax payers.[/p][/quote]I have long suspected, Anthony, that some of the fast food outlets are set up to launder money. Have no evidence, but as you point out, how do they all survive?[/p][/quote]It wouldn't surprise me at all Mike given this story in the Star not all that long ago. http://www.sthelenss tar.co.uk/news/50266 73.BREAKING_NEWS__Te n_arrests_during__pr oceeds_of_crime__rai ds/ anthonywilson
  • Score: 0

9:02pm Tue 26 Aug 14

mikeashworth says...

Advised of the following today.

Papa johns should be opening in the next couple of weeks.

Fluid / Nelson will also be a hotel as well as place selling food.
Advised of the following today. Papa johns should be opening in the next couple of weeks. Fluid / Nelson will also be a hotel as well as place selling food. mikeashworth
  • Score: 0

9:12pm Tue 26 Aug 14

saintsfan says...

craig30 wrote:
really cant win with you lot on here can you,its the same on facebook groups,you moan there are empty shops and the town falling into disrepair,then a chain comes along (which in my opinion is better than pizza hut) and wants to open you critisice it,same with costa taking the corner plot near argos,if developers,chain stores or independent retailers read some of the comments here they would wonder why they should come to st helens,if its not right for one group of people who cares,lots of others will use the new restaurants even if you dont want to
Costa coming into town is a very good move. They actually make quality coffees. Their mocha is heaven.
[quote][p][bold]craig30[/bold] wrote: really cant win with you lot on here can you,its the same on facebook groups,you moan there are empty shops and the town falling into disrepair,then a chain comes along (which in my opinion is better than pizza hut) and wants to open you critisice it,same with costa taking the corner plot near argos,if developers,chain stores or independent retailers read some of the comments here they would wonder why they should come to st helens,if its not right for one group of people who cares,lots of others will use the new restaurants even if you dont want to[/p][/quote]Costa coming into town is a very good move. They actually make quality coffees. Their mocha is heaven. saintsfan
  • Score: -4

9:16pm Tue 26 Aug 14

saintsfan says...

anthonywilson wrote:
This epitomises a Council with zero ideas and zero ambition. As Mike Perry and others have said another pizza chain is certainly not needed as St Helens is more than well covered.
Whilst a shop being used is better than an empty shop it also illustrates that this Council have absolutely no plan whatsoever to improve the town centre. In the same way that St Helens is utterly awash with supermarkets all this new pizza place will do is DISPLACE existing trade from existing shops. Amazingly its hard to understand how many of these takeaways manage to survive as it is given that pizza can be made up bought fresh at a fraction of the cost from any of the big supermarkets. Given also the recent CAB report into debt in St Helens far more needs to be done to address the wider and more important economic issues rather than further duplication of existing stores and the creation of further minimum wage jobs which are then (including their employers) inevitably also subsidised by other tax payers.
Thing is though that the people of St Helens keep voting the Council back in so presumably the people of St Helens are perfectly happy to have umpteen McDonalds and pizza places and then hop on the bus to Widnes to buy their other stuff. St Helens gets what St Helens votes for. Unless they are me, in which case they repeatedly get what they didn't vote for!
[quote][p][bold]anthonywilson[/bold] wrote: This epitomises a Council with zero ideas and zero ambition. As Mike Perry and others have said another pizza chain is certainly not needed as St Helens is more than well covered. Whilst a shop being used is better than an empty shop it also illustrates that this Council have absolutely no plan whatsoever to improve the town centre. In the same way that St Helens is utterly awash with supermarkets all this new pizza place will do is DISPLACE existing trade from existing shops. Amazingly its hard to understand how many of these takeaways manage to survive as it is given that pizza can be made up bought fresh at a fraction of the cost from any of the big supermarkets. Given also the recent CAB report into debt in St Helens far more needs to be done to address the wider and more important economic issues rather than further duplication of existing stores and the creation of further minimum wage jobs which are then (including their employers) inevitably also subsidised by other tax payers.[/p][/quote]Thing is though that the people of St Helens keep voting the Council back in so presumably the people of St Helens are perfectly happy to have umpteen McDonalds and pizza places and then hop on the bus to Widnes to buy their other stuff. St Helens gets what St Helens votes for. Unless they are me, in which case they repeatedly get what they didn't vote for! saintsfan
  • Score: 3

10:59pm Tue 26 Aug 14

anthonywilson says...

saintsfan wrote:
anthonywilson wrote:
This epitomises a Council with zero ideas and zero ambition. As Mike Perry and others have said another pizza chain is certainly not needed as St Helens is more than well covered.
Whilst a shop being used is better than an empty shop it also illustrates that this Council have absolutely no plan whatsoever to improve the town centre. In the same way that St Helens is utterly awash with supermarkets all this new pizza place will do is DISPLACE existing trade from existing shops. Amazingly its hard to understand how many of these takeaways manage to survive as it is given that pizza can be made up bought fresh at a fraction of the cost from any of the big supermarkets. Given also the recent CAB report into debt in St Helens far more needs to be done to address the wider and more important economic issues rather than further duplication of existing stores and the creation of further minimum wage jobs which are then (including their employers) inevitably also subsidised by other tax payers.
Thing is though that the people of St Helens keep voting the Council back in so presumably the people of St Helens are perfectly happy to have umpteen McDonalds and pizza places and then hop on the bus to Widnes to buy their other stuff. St Helens gets what St Helens votes for. Unless they are me, in which case they repeatedly get what they didn't vote for!
The reality is that the majority of people in St Helens no longer vote at all! In the most recent 2014 local elections in only three or four of the sixteen wards was the turnout above a third of the population eligible to vote. In not one single electoral ward was the turnout above 38%. Not enough people complain and many of those that have done so in the past have simply given up bothering to vote or have never even voted in the first place. Given the identikit nature of the three main political parties and the general mistrust of politicians of all colours stars and stripes its of no surprise at all. I for one do vote and consider myself on the left of the political spectrum on most issues but I certainly don't support or agree with many of St Helens Council's or the local Labour parties way of doing things. We can and should be doing a whole lot better as a town. A council simply can't complain about levels of childhood obesity and then in the next breath also claim that it wants to improve the town centre shopping offer by permitting yet another pizza chain to open its doors. I find it rather sad that more people in the town simply cannot see that in St Helens where the Council is often concerned, the emperor has no clothes.
[quote][p][bold]saintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anthonywilson[/bold] wrote: This epitomises a Council with zero ideas and zero ambition. As Mike Perry and others have said another pizza chain is certainly not needed as St Helens is more than well covered. Whilst a shop being used is better than an empty shop it also illustrates that this Council have absolutely no plan whatsoever to improve the town centre. In the same way that St Helens is utterly awash with supermarkets all this new pizza place will do is DISPLACE existing trade from existing shops. Amazingly its hard to understand how many of these takeaways manage to survive as it is given that pizza can be made up bought fresh at a fraction of the cost from any of the big supermarkets. Given also the recent CAB report into debt in St Helens far more needs to be done to address the wider and more important economic issues rather than further duplication of existing stores and the creation of further minimum wage jobs which are then (including their employers) inevitably also subsidised by other tax payers.[/p][/quote]Thing is though that the people of St Helens keep voting the Council back in so presumably the people of St Helens are perfectly happy to have umpteen McDonalds and pizza places and then hop on the bus to Widnes to buy their other stuff. St Helens gets what St Helens votes for. Unless they are me, in which case they repeatedly get what they didn't vote for![/p][/quote]The reality is that the majority of people in St Helens no longer vote at all! In the most recent 2014 local elections in only three or four of the sixteen wards was the turnout above a third of the population eligible to vote. In not one single electoral ward was the turnout above 38%. Not enough people complain and many of those that have done so in the past have simply given up bothering to vote or have never even voted in the first place. Given the identikit nature of the three main political parties and the general mistrust of politicians of all colours stars and stripes its of no surprise at all. I for one do vote and consider myself on the left of the political spectrum on most issues but I certainly don't support or agree with many of St Helens Council's or the local Labour parties way of doing things. We can and should be doing a whole lot better as a town. A council simply can't complain about levels of childhood obesity and then in the next breath also claim that it wants to improve the town centre shopping offer by permitting yet another pizza chain to open its doors. I find it rather sad that more people in the town simply cannot see that in St Helens where the Council is often concerned, the emperor has no clothes. anthonywilson
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2:03am Wed 27 Aug 14

DrChan says...

anthonywilson wrote:
saintsfan wrote:
anthonywilson wrote:
This epitomises a Council with zero ideas and zero ambition. As Mike Perry and others have said another pizza chain is certainly not needed as St Helens is more than well covered.
Whilst a shop being used is better than an empty shop it also illustrates that this Council have absolutely no plan whatsoever to improve the town centre. In the same way that St Helens is utterly awash with supermarkets all this new pizza place will do is DISPLACE existing trade from existing shops. Amazingly its hard to understand how many of these takeaways manage to survive as it is given that pizza can be made up bought fresh at a fraction of the cost from any of the big supermarkets. Given also the recent CAB report into debt in St Helens far more needs to be done to address the wider and more important economic issues rather than further duplication of existing stores and the creation of further minimum wage jobs which are then (including their employers) inevitably also subsidised by other tax payers.
Thing is though that the people of St Helens keep voting the Council back in so presumably the people of St Helens are perfectly happy to have umpteen McDonalds and pizza places and then hop on the bus to Widnes to buy their other stuff. St Helens gets what St Helens votes for. Unless they are me, in which case they repeatedly get what they didn't vote for!
The reality is that the majority of people in St Helens no longer vote at all! In the most recent 2014 local elections in only three or four of the sixteen wards was the turnout above a third of the population eligible to vote. In not one single electoral ward was the turnout above 38%. Not enough people complain and many of those that have done so in the past have simply given up bothering to vote or have never even voted in the first place. Given the identikit nature of the three main political parties and the general mistrust of politicians of all colours stars and stripes its of no surprise at all. I for one do vote and consider myself on the left of the political spectrum on most issues but I certainly don't support or agree with many of St Helens Council's or the local Labour parties way of doing things. We can and should be doing a whole lot better as a town. A council simply can't complain about levels of childhood obesity and then in the next breath also claim that it wants to improve the town centre shopping offer by permitting yet another pizza chain to open its doors. I find it rather sad that more people in the town simply cannot see that in St Helens where the Council is often concerned, the emperor has no clothes.
Well said Anthony Wilson. I also feel that people do get what they vote for - largely speaking. The political apathy affecting most of the country is appalling. I personally told off all my family for not voting in May!

I too have also lost faith in the main parties. I am also left of the middle and therefore have no wish to see UKIP gain an inch with their dressed up racist attitudes.

I've recently joined the Green Party, and although small, I feel there's a lot of potential - it's not all eco stuff although I do think it to be important. I look over next door to Liverpool where they're actually making some small gains. I feel the Greens need to up their game a bit in terms of recruiting more people, and getting their message out a bit better - exactly what UKIP has done and has led to its rising popularity.
[quote][p][bold]anthonywilson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anthonywilson[/bold] wrote: This epitomises a Council with zero ideas and zero ambition. As Mike Perry and others have said another pizza chain is certainly not needed as St Helens is more than well covered. Whilst a shop being used is better than an empty shop it also illustrates that this Council have absolutely no plan whatsoever to improve the town centre. In the same way that St Helens is utterly awash with supermarkets all this new pizza place will do is DISPLACE existing trade from existing shops. Amazingly its hard to understand how many of these takeaways manage to survive as it is given that pizza can be made up bought fresh at a fraction of the cost from any of the big supermarkets. Given also the recent CAB report into debt in St Helens far more needs to be done to address the wider and more important economic issues rather than further duplication of existing stores and the creation of further minimum wage jobs which are then (including their employers) inevitably also subsidised by other tax payers.[/p][/quote]Thing is though that the people of St Helens keep voting the Council back in so presumably the people of St Helens are perfectly happy to have umpteen McDonalds and pizza places and then hop on the bus to Widnes to buy their other stuff. St Helens gets what St Helens votes for. Unless they are me, in which case they repeatedly get what they didn't vote for![/p][/quote]The reality is that the majority of people in St Helens no longer vote at all! In the most recent 2014 local elections in only three or four of the sixteen wards was the turnout above a third of the population eligible to vote. In not one single electoral ward was the turnout above 38%. Not enough people complain and many of those that have done so in the past have simply given up bothering to vote or have never even voted in the first place. Given the identikit nature of the three main political parties and the general mistrust of politicians of all colours stars and stripes its of no surprise at all. I for one do vote and consider myself on the left of the political spectrum on most issues but I certainly don't support or agree with many of St Helens Council's or the local Labour parties way of doing things. We can and should be doing a whole lot better as a town. A council simply can't complain about levels of childhood obesity and then in the next breath also claim that it wants to improve the town centre shopping offer by permitting yet another pizza chain to open its doors. I find it rather sad that more people in the town simply cannot see that in St Helens where the Council is often concerned, the emperor has no clothes.[/p][/quote]Well said Anthony Wilson. I also feel that people do get what they vote for - largely speaking. The political apathy affecting most of the country is appalling. I personally told off all my family for not voting in May! I too have also lost faith in the main parties. I am also left of the middle and therefore have no wish to see UKIP gain an inch with their dressed up racist attitudes. I've recently joined the Green Party, and although small, I feel there's a lot of potential - it's not all eco stuff although I do think it to be important. I look over next door to Liverpool where they're actually making some small gains. I feel the Greens need to up their game a bit in terms of recruiting more people, and getting their message out a bit better - exactly what UKIP has done and has led to its rising popularity. DrChan
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