Costa Coffee aims to convert St Helens town centre store to cafe

Costa want to locate on Church Street, St Helens

Costa want to locate on Church Street, St Helens

First published in News

COFFEE giant Costa is aiming to set up a new cafe in St Helens town centre.

In what represents more upbeat news for the area after reports of further high street store closures, the national chain wants to locate at an empty shop on Church Street.

Plans submitted to St Helens Council seek permission to create the restaurant/cafe in the former Coverdales soft furnishing stores which slid into administration in January.

A separate application to place table and chairs outside the coffee shop will be made if the council grants planning permission.

The Star reported last week how Church Square Shopping Centre’s Burtons and Dorothy Perkins are due to close this month.

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7:29pm Tue 10 Jun 14

saintsfan says...

Great news! Love Costa!
Great news! Love Costa! saintsfan
  • Score: 0

8:36pm Tue 10 Jun 14

keepitreel says...

as i was walking past the other 6 overpriced coffee shops in the town centre to-day i thought to myself what this town needs is ANOTHER costa coffee,lets face it if you wish tp spend over £7 on a coffee and a sandwich this town has the market covered
as i was walking past the other 6 overpriced coffee shops in the town centre to-day i thought to myself what this town needs is ANOTHER costa coffee,lets face it if you wish tp spend over £7 on a coffee and a sandwich this town has the market covered keepitreel
  • Score: 15

8:39pm Tue 10 Jun 14

anthonywilson says...

Much better than having an empty shop but its not as if St Helens needs another coffee shop really is it?
At least the folk of St Helens have to be grateful that not another pound shop or Chinese restaurant is foisted upon us.
Much better than having an empty shop but its not as if St Helens needs another coffee shop really is it? At least the folk of St Helens have to be grateful that not another pound shop or Chinese restaurant is foisted upon us. anthonywilson
  • Score: 12

8:56pm Tue 10 Jun 14

barrie timpson says...

I'm really happy that I'll now have a choice between the Costa on the retail park which is the length of a gnats penis away or the one in the hospital. It will also be welcome competition for the other 65476726788276721874
63789 coffee shops we have in the town centre.

I owe Barrie Grunewald an apology - his plan is working. That's if the plan is to totally populate town with pound shops charity shops and cafe's and a good healthy sprinkling of fast food joints.

Well done Sir.
I'm really happy that I'll now have a choice between the Costa on the retail park which is the length of a gnats penis away or the one in the hospital. It will also be welcome competition for the other 65476726788276721874 63789 coffee shops we have in the town centre. I owe Barrie Grunewald an apology - his plan is working. That's if the plan is to totally populate town with pound shops charity shops and cafe's and a good healthy sprinkling of fast food joints. Well done Sir. barrie timpson
  • Score: 17

9:38pm Tue 10 Jun 14

lawman2004 says...

Don't forget the Costa in Tescos. So thats 3 McDonalds and 3 Costa's in a small town that constantly claims it's Food Banks are being swamped because people are skint. I don't understand .
Don't forget the Costa in Tescos. So thats 3 McDonalds and 3 Costa's in a small town that constantly claims it's Food Banks are being swamped because people are skint. I don't understand . lawman2004
  • Score: 15

9:43pm Tue 10 Jun 14

dr.robert says...

To be fair Costa and the other lesser known chains are always full so there is room. I love all this "oh lets pay £7 for a coffee and a sandwich" rubbish. How much should i be?! 2, 3 ,4, 5 or 6 pound?! You're hardly going to lose the house by spending another couple of quid for quality. Tight. It is top class coffee not instant.
It's a massive chain, lovely dinner and drinks outlet and it's not empty anymore. Why all the negativity?
To be fair Costa and the other lesser known chains are always full so there is room. I love all this "oh lets pay £7 for a coffee and a sandwich" rubbish. How much should i be?! 2, 3 ,4, 5 or 6 pound?! You're hardly going to lose the house by spending another couple of quid for quality. Tight. It is top class coffee not instant. It's a massive chain, lovely dinner and drinks outlet and it's not empty anymore. Why all the negativity? dr.robert
  • Score: 4

10:11pm Tue 10 Jun 14

barrie timpson says...

To be honest the price doesn't bother me , it's the amount of recurring shops we have, it's like the matrix.
To be honest the price doesn't bother me , it's the amount of recurring shops we have, it's like the matrix. barrie timpson
  • Score: 9

6:07am Wed 11 Jun 14

EpicConcern says...

Please stop complaining about the price and amount of coffee shops in St Helens. If you can't afford £7 for a coffee and butty there are plenty of bookies and payday loan shops where you can try get the cash to dine. Or just get the coffee and buy a pie from one of the 12145 bakerys.
Far too many complaints on here, people should be grateful for the wide selection of charity and poundshops we have in St Helens.
Please stop complaining about the price and amount of coffee shops in St Helens. If you can't afford £7 for a coffee and butty there are plenty of bookies and payday loan shops where you can try get the cash to dine. Or just get the coffee and buy a pie from one of the 12145 bakerys. Far too many complaints on here, people should be grateful for the wide selection of charity and poundshops we have in St Helens. EpicConcern
  • Score: 3

7:41am Wed 11 Jun 14

mikeashworth says...

this is good news, shop comes back into use, then need staff, they have a better record at paying tax to UK economy than Caffe Nero.

People have to realise that town centres are undergoing a seismic shift. the big stores are cutting back on number of stores they need across UK from 200 to maybe 50 or 60. they will choose those locations very carefully.

A much bigger change may occur next year when many of the stores in UK that negotiated 25 year leases back in 1990 come up for renewal. that may be when we see more closures.

the town centre of the future will be less about retail transactions and more about being a community hub. cafe's where ppl interact and take some time out from their day, are a vital ingredient.
this is good news, shop comes back into use, then need staff, they have a better record at paying tax to UK economy than Caffe Nero. People have to realise that town centres are undergoing a seismic shift. the big stores are cutting back on number of stores they need across UK from 200 to maybe 50 or 60. they will choose those locations very carefully. A much bigger change may occur next year when many of the stores in UK that negotiated 25 year leases back in 1990 come up for renewal. that may be when we see more closures. the town centre of the future will be less about retail transactions and more about being a community hub. cafe's where ppl interact and take some time out from their day, are a vital ingredient. mikeashworth
  • Score: 7

6:31pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Justice' Revenge says...

Its a double edge sword really isnt it. On the one hand, we dont want more pound shops or charity shops or empty shops on the high st, yet on the other do we really need another coffee shops? Seems that these types of shops are all that the town can attract right now.
Its a double edge sword really isnt it. On the one hand, we dont want more pound shops or charity shops or empty shops on the high st, yet on the other do we really need another coffee shops? Seems that these types of shops are all that the town can attract right now. Justice' Revenge
  • Score: 4

7:26pm Wed 11 Jun 14

mikeashworth says...

Justice' Revenge wrote:
Its a double edge sword really isnt it. On the one hand, we dont want more pound shops or charity shops or empty shops on the high st, yet on the other do we really need another coffee shops? Seems that these types of shops are all that the town can attract right now.
it's not all bad news, in addition to costa, a bespoke cake shop (wedding cakes and the like), a phone repair shop, have also opened in town centre. in other places such as earlestown, newton, others are opening too.

i'm not sure what it is that ppl actually do want, ppl say what they dont want.

if you want a debenhams or john lewis, its not going to happen.

a primark, who knows, maybe, but as larger retailers looks more closely at where the stores will be, then liklihood is that we'd not be on list.

the future high street will be more community focussed, some shops will go back to residnetial, the challenge with st helens is that the build of most of the town centre, prevents this. however i have seen flats being built very near to centre, and in one of side streets, so maybe we'll see some more of that. event spaces, also, and some shop owners wont like this, tghey'll have to open later, as the spaces become more communtiy focussed, nighttime use increases, ppl will want to find shops open at times that suit them, not the other way around.

if ged gibbons report only focusses on retail transactions and not community hub he'll have missed a trick.
[quote][p][bold]Justice' Revenge[/bold] wrote: Its a double edge sword really isnt it. On the one hand, we dont want more pound shops or charity shops or empty shops on the high st, yet on the other do we really need another coffee shops? Seems that these types of shops are all that the town can attract right now.[/p][/quote]it's not all bad news, in addition to costa, a bespoke cake shop (wedding cakes and the like), a phone repair shop, have also opened in town centre. in other places such as earlestown, newton, others are opening too. i'm not sure what it is that ppl actually do want, ppl say what they dont want. if you want a debenhams or john lewis, its not going to happen. a primark, who knows, maybe, but as larger retailers looks more closely at where the stores will be, then liklihood is that we'd not be on list. the future high street will be more community focussed, some shops will go back to residnetial, the challenge with st helens is that the build of most of the town centre, prevents this. however i have seen flats being built very near to centre, and in one of side streets, so maybe we'll see some more of that. event spaces, also, and some shop owners wont like this, tghey'll have to open later, as the spaces become more communtiy focussed, nighttime use increases, ppl will want to find shops open at times that suit them, not the other way around. if ged gibbons report only focusses on retail transactions and not community hub he'll have missed a trick. mikeashworth
  • Score: 1

9:05pm Wed 11 Jun 14

keepitreel says...

mikeashworth wrote:
Justice' Revenge wrote:
Its a double edge sword really isnt it. On the one hand, we dont want more pound shops or charity shops or empty shops on the high st, yet on the other do we really need another coffee shops? Seems that these types of shops are all that the town can attract right now.
it's not all bad news, in addition to costa, a bespoke cake shop (wedding cakes and the like), a phone repair shop, have also opened in town centre. in other places such as earlestown, newton, others are opening too.

i'm not sure what it is that ppl actually do want, ppl say what they dont want.

if you want a debenhams or john lewis, its not going to happen.

a primark, who knows, maybe, but as larger retailers looks more closely at where the stores will be, then liklihood is that we'd not be on list.

the future high street will be more community focussed, some shops will go back to residnetial, the challenge with st helens is that the build of most of the town centre, prevents this. however i have seen flats being built very near to centre, and in one of side streets, so maybe we'll see some more of that. event spaces, also, and some shop owners wont like this, tghey'll have to open later, as the spaces become more communtiy focussed, nighttime use increases, ppl will want to find shops open at times that suit them, not the other way around.

if ged gibbons report only focusses on retail transactions and not community hub he'll have missed a trick.
the problem is we have these shops in town already,how many bespoke cake shops can this town keep going,same as watch/phone repairs we must have half a dozen,for a small town centre we have overkill in cafes or fast food outlets,we need a diversity in the shopping experience NOT just more of the same,i see the st thomas sq fiasco rolls on with adverts for space to let,according to reports last year it was full and ready to start work,more untruths to appease the guilable?
[quote][p][bold]mikeashworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justice' Revenge[/bold] wrote: Its a double edge sword really isnt it. On the one hand, we dont want more pound shops or charity shops or empty shops on the high st, yet on the other do we really need another coffee shops? Seems that these types of shops are all that the town can attract right now.[/p][/quote]it's not all bad news, in addition to costa, a bespoke cake shop (wedding cakes and the like), a phone repair shop, have also opened in town centre. in other places such as earlestown, newton, others are opening too. i'm not sure what it is that ppl actually do want, ppl say what they dont want. if you want a debenhams or john lewis, its not going to happen. a primark, who knows, maybe, but as larger retailers looks more closely at where the stores will be, then liklihood is that we'd not be on list. the future high street will be more community focussed, some shops will go back to residnetial, the challenge with st helens is that the build of most of the town centre, prevents this. however i have seen flats being built very near to centre, and in one of side streets, so maybe we'll see some more of that. event spaces, also, and some shop owners wont like this, tghey'll have to open later, as the spaces become more communtiy focussed, nighttime use increases, ppl will want to find shops open at times that suit them, not the other way around. if ged gibbons report only focusses on retail transactions and not community hub he'll have missed a trick.[/p][/quote]the problem is we have these shops in town already,how many bespoke cake shops can this town keep going,same as watch/phone repairs we must have half a dozen,for a small town centre we have overkill in cafes or fast food outlets,we need a diversity in the shopping experience NOT just more of the same,i see the st thomas sq fiasco rolls on with adverts for space to let,according to reports last year it was full and ready to start work,more untruths to appease the guilable? keepitreel
  • Score: 11

10:08pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Tom_Allcock says...

keepitreel wrote:
as i was walking past the other 6 overpriced coffee shops in the town centre to-day i thought to myself what this town needs is ANOTHER costa coffee,lets face it if you wish tp spend over £7 on a coffee and a sandwich this town has the market covered
Would you rather have a Costa or an empty shop in your town centre? I know which I would rather have.
[quote][p][bold]keepitreel[/bold] wrote: as i was walking past the other 6 overpriced coffee shops in the town centre to-day i thought to myself what this town needs is ANOTHER costa coffee,lets face it if you wish tp spend over £7 on a coffee and a sandwich this town has the market covered[/p][/quote]Would you rather have a Costa or an empty shop in your town centre? I know which I would rather have. Tom_Allcock
  • Score: -3

11:12pm Wed 11 Jun 14

keepitreel says...

i would like to see more diversity,when this cafe opens how long before another closes.
i would like to see more diversity,when this cafe opens how long before another closes. keepitreel
  • Score: 7

9:01am Thu 12 Jun 14

mikeashworth says...

keepitreel wrote:
mikeashworth wrote:
Justice' Revenge wrote:
Its a double edge sword really isnt it. On the one hand, we dont want more pound shops or charity shops or empty shops on the high st, yet on the other do we really need another coffee shops? Seems that these types of shops are all that the town can attract right now.
it's not all bad news, in addition to costa, a bespoke cake shop (wedding cakes and the like), a phone repair shop, have also opened in town centre. in other places such as earlestown, newton, others are opening too.

i'm not sure what it is that ppl actually do want, ppl say what they dont want.

if you want a debenhams or john lewis, its not going to happen.

a primark, who knows, maybe, but as larger retailers looks more closely at where the stores will be, then liklihood is that we'd not be on list.

the future high street will be more community focussed, some shops will go back to residnetial, the challenge with st helens is that the build of most of the town centre, prevents this. however i have seen flats being built very near to centre, and in one of side streets, so maybe we'll see some more of that. event spaces, also, and some shop owners wont like this, tghey'll have to open later, as the spaces become more communtiy focussed, nighttime use increases, ppl will want to find shops open at times that suit them, not the other way around.

if ged gibbons report only focusses on retail transactions and not community hub he'll have missed a trick.
the problem is we have these shops in town already,how many bespoke cake shops can this town keep going,same as watch/phone repairs we must have half a dozen,for a small town centre we have overkill in cafes or fast food outlets,we need a diversity in the shopping experience NOT just more of the same,i see the st thomas sq fiasco rolls on with adverts for space to let,according to reports last year it was full and ready to start work,more untruths to appease the guilable?
ok, you talk about diversity, and thats cool. as someone who is a shopper presumably, can you expand upon that, what dont we have, that you would like to see?

as for thomas sq / westpoint, looks like things have started. i spotted a load of workmen on their yesterday erecting metal fencing and the like, ready for works to begin i presume.
[quote][p][bold]keepitreel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeashworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justice' Revenge[/bold] wrote: Its a double edge sword really isnt it. On the one hand, we dont want more pound shops or charity shops or empty shops on the high st, yet on the other do we really need another coffee shops? Seems that these types of shops are all that the town can attract right now.[/p][/quote]it's not all bad news, in addition to costa, a bespoke cake shop (wedding cakes and the like), a phone repair shop, have also opened in town centre. in other places such as earlestown, newton, others are opening too. i'm not sure what it is that ppl actually do want, ppl say what they dont want. if you want a debenhams or john lewis, its not going to happen. a primark, who knows, maybe, but as larger retailers looks more closely at where the stores will be, then liklihood is that we'd not be on list. the future high street will be more community focussed, some shops will go back to residnetial, the challenge with st helens is that the build of most of the town centre, prevents this. however i have seen flats being built very near to centre, and in one of side streets, so maybe we'll see some more of that. event spaces, also, and some shop owners wont like this, tghey'll have to open later, as the spaces become more communtiy focussed, nighttime use increases, ppl will want to find shops open at times that suit them, not the other way around. if ged gibbons report only focusses on retail transactions and not community hub he'll have missed a trick.[/p][/quote]the problem is we have these shops in town already,how many bespoke cake shops can this town keep going,same as watch/phone repairs we must have half a dozen,for a small town centre we have overkill in cafes or fast food outlets,we need a diversity in the shopping experience NOT just more of the same,i see the st thomas sq fiasco rolls on with adverts for space to let,according to reports last year it was full and ready to start work,more untruths to appease the guilable?[/p][/quote]ok, you talk about diversity, and thats cool. as someone who is a shopper presumably, can you expand upon that, what dont we have, that you would like to see? as for thomas sq / westpoint, looks like things have started. i spotted a load of workmen on their yesterday erecting metal fencing and the like, ready for works to begin i presume. mikeashworth
  • Score: -2

10:42am Thu 12 Jun 14

keepitreel says...

i must be getting the rose tinted specs view,but who remembers when we had good shops selling proper stuff,HARTS,OXLEYS HELENA HOUSE etc,not what we have now shops selling cheap tat,or market stalls full of imported rubbish,what i would like to see is shops not run by some conglomerate that look the same and sell identical stuff in every shop but shops that have an identity all their own,selling quality items at reasonable prices,if this means these shops dont pay rates for 12 months to get them going so be it,and if some of the million pounds could be used to help new starters that would be better than more new benches or paving stones in the town centre .
i must be getting the rose tinted specs view,but who remembers when we had good shops selling proper stuff,HARTS,OXLEYS HELENA HOUSE etc,not what we have now shops selling cheap tat,or market stalls full of imported rubbish,what i would like to see is shops not run by some conglomerate that look the same and sell identical stuff in every shop but shops that have an identity all their own,selling quality items at reasonable prices,if this means these shops dont pay rates for 12 months to get them going so be it,and if some of the million pounds could be used to help new starters that would be better than more new benches or paving stones in the town centre . keepitreel
  • Score: 12

3:02pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Hughwithaview says...

Oh yes, I remember Harts - my Mum could not take my Sister past there without her wanting one of lifelike dolls modelling baby clothes and how I loved to make a noise with my shoes on the wooden floors.

Helena House steps was a regular meeting place for people on a night out but it was also where you could visit Santa at Christmas, have a ride to his grotto (it was the walls that moved not you) and best of all you could buy just about anything you could ever need from shoes, buttons, furniture, white goods, clothes, toys, food and drink, there was even a hair dressing salon in there at one time. Plus of course the Travel Agent. You could have your hair done, book your holiday and buy your suitcases all in one store!
Oh yes, I remember Harts - my Mum could not take my Sister past there without her wanting one of lifelike dolls modelling baby clothes and how I loved to make a noise with my shoes on the wooden floors. Helena House steps was a regular meeting place for people on a night out but it was also where you could visit Santa at Christmas, have a ride to his grotto (it was the walls that moved not you) and best of all you could buy just about anything you could ever need from shoes, buttons, furniture, white goods, clothes, toys, food and drink, there was even a hair dressing salon in there at one time. Plus of course the Travel Agent. You could have your hair done, book your holiday and buy your suitcases all in one store! Hughwithaview
  • Score: 13

3:36pm Thu 12 Jun 14

mikeperry109 says...

dr.robert wrote:
To be fair Costa and the other lesser known chains are always full so there is room. I love all this "oh lets pay £7 for a coffee and a sandwich" rubbish. How much should i be?! 2, 3 ,4, 5 or 6 pound?! You're hardly going to lose the house by spending another couple of quid for quality. Tight. It is top class coffee not instant.
It's a massive chain, lovely dinner and drinks outlet and it's not empty anymore. Why all the negativity?
You can get excellent coffe in Wetherspoons for 1.20 - with free refills up to 14:00. Why would anyone go anywhere else - and St. Helens has two of them!
[quote][p][bold]dr.robert[/bold] wrote: To be fair Costa and the other lesser known chains are always full so there is room. I love all this "oh lets pay £7 for a coffee and a sandwich" rubbish. How much should i be?! 2, 3 ,4, 5 or 6 pound?! You're hardly going to lose the house by spending another couple of quid for quality. Tight. It is top class coffee not instant. It's a massive chain, lovely dinner and drinks outlet and it's not empty anymore. Why all the negativity?[/p][/quote]You can get excellent coffe in Wetherspoons for 1.20 - with free refills up to 14:00. Why would anyone go anywhere else - and St. Helens has two of them! mikeperry109
  • Score: 13

3:51pm Thu 12 Jun 14

barrie timpson says...

Just imagine , you could stop and get a coffee , have a sit down , relax and think about which coffee shop you go to next. After going to one of our 300 pound stores, why not relax and have another coffee , whilst charging the batteries to visit a charity shop.

When your done you can finish the day with another coffee , and if you find you can't relax or sleep at night , why not visit another one of our coffee shops for a coffee to perk you up.
Just imagine , you could stop and get a coffee , have a sit down , relax and think about which coffee shop you go to next. After going to one of our 300 pound stores, why not relax and have another coffee , whilst charging the batteries to visit a charity shop. When your done you can finish the day with another coffee , and if you find you can't relax or sleep at night , why not visit another one of our coffee shops for a coffee to perk you up. barrie timpson
  • Score: 11

4:15pm Thu 12 Jun 14

barrie timpson says...

If you're heart isn't beating as fast as a traveler facing the tax man by this time , why not pop into La Vita cafe for another coffee , to give yourself the extra perk to play " dodge the skater " outside of the church. When you're done you can pop into one of the 3 Macdonalds for a burger and a coffee , and if this doesn't suit pop over to "show us yer bangers" lard stall outside of the soon to close and become a coffee shop Burtons.

Cut through St Marys and have a coffee in the coffee shop there to give yourself the fuel to nip across to the retail park , where you can peruse the staggering amount of rubbish collecting on the footbridge.

When you arrive at the retail park , help yourself to a coffee at Costa , and play a game of snap with your friend across the way who can into Costa in Tesco and see if you can telepathically order the same Mocca!!

Meet up at the ridiculously dangerous crossing in the link way and grab a coffee at Macdonalds , and you can have a leisurely stroll down the link way and take in the fine modern art made out of refuse tree cuttings and bushes constructed at the travelers site. Here you can have a meaningful discussion among yourselves as to the benefits of filling up the empty Sutton pool with Coffee. Text your opinions on the matter to one of our Councillors or "App" them , on one of their brand new iphones that we all paid for, and they'll be sure to get back to you within 50 years. Also make sure you don't forget to pay homage to Mirie Rubber , who will be holding court at the miners statue nearby.
If you're heart isn't beating as fast as a traveler facing the tax man by this time , why not pop into La Vita cafe for another coffee , to give yourself the extra perk to play " dodge the skater " outside of the church. When you're done you can pop into one of the 3 Macdonalds for a burger and a coffee , and if this doesn't suit pop over to "show us yer bangers" lard stall outside of the soon to close and become a coffee shop Burtons. Cut through St Marys and have a coffee in the coffee shop there to give yourself the fuel to nip across to the retail park , where you can peruse the staggering amount of rubbish collecting on the footbridge. When you arrive at the retail park , help yourself to a coffee at Costa , and play a game of snap with your friend across the way who can into Costa in Tesco and see if you can telepathically order the same Mocca!! Meet up at the ridiculously dangerous crossing in the link way and grab a coffee at Macdonalds , and you can have a leisurely stroll down the link way and take in the fine modern art made out of refuse tree cuttings and bushes constructed at the travelers site. Here you can have a meaningful discussion among yourselves as to the benefits of filling up the empty Sutton pool with Coffee. Text your opinions on the matter to one of our Councillors or "App" them , on one of their brand new iphones that we all paid for, and they'll be sure to get back to you within 50 years. Also make sure you don't forget to pay homage to Mirie Rubber , who will be holding court at the miners statue nearby. barrie timpson
  • Score: 16

5:27pm Thu 12 Jun 14

PM says...

mikeashworth wrote:
this is good news, shop comes back into use, then need staff, they have a better record at paying tax to UK economy than Caffe Nero.

People have to realise that town centres are undergoing a seismic shift. the big stores are cutting back on number of stores they need across UK from 200 to maybe 50 or 60. they will choose those locations very carefully.

A much bigger change may occur next year when many of the stores in UK that negotiated 25 year leases back in 1990 come up for renewal. that may be when we see more closures.

the town centre of the future will be less about retail transactions and more about being a community hub. cafe's where ppl interact and take some time out from their day, are a vital ingredient.
Blimey,some common sense at long last.It's pretty obvious the shopping trend everywhere is for out of town retail parks or online shopping.Absolutely nothing will buck that trend.The new town centres will be much more culture -driven and a place to eat and chill out.
[quote][p][bold]mikeashworth[/bold] wrote: this is good news, shop comes back into use, then need staff, they have a better record at paying tax to UK economy than Caffe Nero. People have to realise that town centres are undergoing a seismic shift. the big stores are cutting back on number of stores they need across UK from 200 to maybe 50 or 60. they will choose those locations very carefully. A much bigger change may occur next year when many of the stores in UK that negotiated 25 year leases back in 1990 come up for renewal. that may be when we see more closures. the town centre of the future will be less about retail transactions and more about being a community hub. cafe's where ppl interact and take some time out from their day, are a vital ingredient.[/p][/quote]Blimey,some common sense at long last.It's pretty obvious the shopping trend everywhere is for out of town retail parks or online shopping.Absolutely nothing will buck that trend.The new town centres will be much more culture -driven and a place to eat and chill out. PM
  • Score: -1

5:34pm Thu 12 Jun 14

PM says...

keepitreel wrote:
i must be getting the rose tinted specs view,but who remembers when we had good shops selling proper stuff,HARTS,OXLEYS HELENA HOUSE etc,not what we have now shops selling cheap tat,or market stalls full of imported rubbish,what i would like to see is shops not run by some conglomerate that look the same and sell identical stuff in every shop but shops that have an identity all their own,selling quality items at reasonable prices,if this means these shops dont pay rates for 12 months to get them going so be it,and if some of the million pounds could be used to help new starters that would be better than more new benches or paving stones in the town centre .
Those shops closed for a reason,as do all shops.The number 1 reason being customers through the door.Shops sell what people want,and look at the location and spending habits in that location. You could flatten Gerrards Bridge and build a free 5000 place car park and the big stores still wouldn't open in St Helens town centre. People prefer retail parks to do their shopping.The only time I go into the town centre is when I'm going the cinema. I buy most of my stuff online,I even bank online instead of going to my bank as I used to.Like it or not that's the way of the world and all town centres are facing the same challenge.
[quote][p][bold]keepitreel[/bold] wrote: i must be getting the rose tinted specs view,but who remembers when we had good shops selling proper stuff,HARTS,OXLEYS HELENA HOUSE etc,not what we have now shops selling cheap tat,or market stalls full of imported rubbish,what i would like to see is shops not run by some conglomerate that look the same and sell identical stuff in every shop but shops that have an identity all their own,selling quality items at reasonable prices,if this means these shops dont pay rates for 12 months to get them going so be it,and if some of the million pounds could be used to help new starters that would be better than more new benches or paving stones in the town centre .[/p][/quote]Those shops closed for a reason,as do all shops.The number 1 reason being customers through the door.Shops sell what people want,and look at the location and spending habits in that location. You could flatten Gerrards Bridge and build a free 5000 place car park and the big stores still wouldn't open in St Helens town centre. People prefer retail parks to do their shopping.The only time I go into the town centre is when I'm going the cinema. I buy most of my stuff online,I even bank online instead of going to my bank as I used to.Like it or not that's the way of the world and all town centres are facing the same challenge. PM
  • Score: -7

5:47pm Thu 12 Jun 14

barrie timpson says...

Just like Liverpool town centre. Not a shop in sight. Just Caffeine laden poets.
Just like Liverpool town centre. Not a shop in sight. Just Caffeine laden poets. barrie timpson
  • Score: 5

5:50pm Thu 12 Jun 14

barrie timpson says...

May as well save that million squid we've just given to Gezza Gibbins then.
May as well save that million squid we've just given to Gezza Gibbins then. barrie timpson
  • Score: 6

5:54pm Thu 12 Jun 14

barrie timpson says...

It also explains the enigma in the difference between the Hardshaw centre and The Golden square in Warrington. Build a bear , Debenhams , all the childrens toy and clothes shops the camera shop, Goldsmiths - all elaborate fronts for selling coffee to budding painters.
It also explains the enigma in the difference between the Hardshaw centre and The Golden square in Warrington. Build a bear , Debenhams , all the childrens toy and clothes shops the camera shop, Goldsmiths - all elaborate fronts for selling coffee to budding painters. barrie timpson
  • Score: 11

6:00pm Thu 12 Jun 14

barrie timpson says...

I can see the easels being erected outside The Imperial now......." Labour Councillor brawling with local constabulary " by D. Egbarts.
I can see the easels being erected outside The Imperial now......." Labour Councillor brawling with local constabulary " by D. Egbarts. barrie timpson
  • Score: 10

6:18pm Thu 12 Jun 14

barrie timpson says...

"Pensioner evades skater " By N.S Cafe.

"Macdonalds Trilogy" By C.Nero.
"Pensioner evades skater " By N.S Cafe. "Macdonalds Trilogy" By C.Nero. barrie timpson
  • Score: 4

7:36am Fri 13 Jun 14

Lesmac24 says...

A major chain, whether it's a coffee shop, clothes shop or other has picked our town to put a new shop, they see potential and know they will make money from it. They have placed it in a spot in the town centre which probably has the least footfall which will increase the number of people heading down that way, I don't see how this can not be seen as a good thing.

Our town (one of the largest in the country) centre has been on the decline for years and there are people trying to reverse this, lets not criticise them for this and encourage them, or possibly help them.

Let's get some pride back in this town, rather than moaning about it
A major chain, whether it's a coffee shop, clothes shop or other has picked our town to put a new shop, they see potential and know they will make money from it. They have placed it in a spot in the town centre which probably has the least footfall which will increase the number of people heading down that way, I don't see how this can not be seen as a good thing. Our town (one of the largest in the country) centre has been on the decline for years and there are people trying to reverse this, lets not criticise them for this and encourage them, or possibly help them. Let's get some pride back in this town, rather than moaning about it Lesmac24
  • Score: 4

8:43am Fri 13 Jun 14

mikeashworth says...

They don't just sell coffee, which makes me think you havent visited any/many of them in years. Think not what they sell, coffee, tea, juices, smoothies, but look at what they are, places where ppl meet, talk, it's all about community.

i very much doubt that anything that is done in the town centre will pls a large majority of ppl on here. which reveals little about the town centre but a lot about the ppl who constantly run the place down.
They don't just sell coffee, which makes me think you havent visited any/many of them in years. Think not what they sell, coffee, tea, juices, smoothies, but look at what they are, places where ppl meet, talk, it's all about community. i very much doubt that anything that is done in the town centre will pls a large majority of ppl on here. which reveals little about the town centre but a lot about the ppl who constantly run the place down. mikeashworth
  • Score: -8

6:27pm Fri 13 Jun 14

keepitreel says...

mikeashworth wrote:
They don't just sell coffee, which makes me think you havent visited any/many of them in years. Think not what they sell, coffee, tea, juices, smoothies, but look at what they are, places where ppl meet, talk, it's all about community.

i very much doubt that anything that is done in the town centre will pls a large majority of ppl on here. which reveals little about the town centre but a lot about the ppl who constantly run the place down.
i have been to these cafes just like i have been to starbucks and cafe nero and they are all the same over priced,my question is do we need 3 in the town,how many are there in total in a small town centre,there must be 8 places to by a hot/cold slushy/smoothy etc etc not counting the burger joints,good on them if it works but it will not have me (and the majority) rushing into the town centre to spend our money.
[quote][p][bold]mikeashworth[/bold] wrote: They don't just sell coffee, which makes me think you havent visited any/many of them in years. Think not what they sell, coffee, tea, juices, smoothies, but look at what they are, places where ppl meet, talk, it's all about community. i very much doubt that anything that is done in the town centre will pls a large majority of ppl on here. which reveals little about the town centre but a lot about the ppl who constantly run the place down.[/p][/quote]i have been to these cafes just like i have been to starbucks and cafe nero and they are all the same over priced,my question is do we need 3 in the town,how many are there in total in a small town centre,there must be 8 places to by a hot/cold slushy/smoothy etc etc not counting the burger joints,good on them if it works but it will not have me (and the majority) rushing into the town centre to spend our money. keepitreel
  • Score: 3

8:54pm Fri 13 Jun 14

barrie timpson says...

So which locally owned coffee shop do we think this will close?
So which locally owned coffee shop do we think this will close? barrie timpson
  • Score: 6

8:31am Sat 14 Jun 14

mikeashworth says...

barrie timpson wrote:
So which locally owned coffee shop do we think this will close?
the ones you stopped going to a long time ago?
[quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: So which locally owned coffee shop do we think this will close?[/p][/quote]the ones you stopped going to a long time ago? mikeashworth
  • Score: -8

9:38am Sat 14 Jun 14

barrie timpson says...

How do you know where I go and don't go? I don't even like coffee , I don't like processed food.

Should I start moaning that the coffee shop owners don't use my boxing gym?

Grow up Mike.
How do you know where I go and don't go? I don't even like coffee , I don't like processed food. Should I start moaning that the coffee shop owners don't use my boxing gym? Grow up Mike. barrie timpson
  • Score: 5

7:37pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Sankey says...

Can people not use ppl when they mean people it's so irritating
Can people not use ppl when they mean people it's so irritating Sankey
  • Score: 13

8:32pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Justice' Revenge says...

Just seen a leaked plan from Ged about tackling the town centre:

You've got to hold and give
But do it at the right time
You can be slow or fast
But you must get to the line
They'll always hit you and hurt you
Defend and attack
There's only one way to beat them
Get round the back
Catch me if you can
Cos' I'm the England man
And what you're looking at
Is the master plan
We ain't no hooligans
This ain't a football song
Three lions on my chest
I know we can't go wrong
Just seen a leaked plan from Ged about tackling the town centre: You've got to hold and give But do it at the right time You can be slow or fast But you must get to the line They'll always hit you and hurt you Defend and attack There's only one way to beat them Get round the back Catch me if you can Cos' I'm the England man And what you're looking at Is the master plan We ain't no hooligans This ain't a football song Three lions on my chest I know we can't go wrong Justice' Revenge
  • Score: 6

11:44am Sun 15 Jun 14

keepitreel says...

i had a lovely cup of coffee on Thursday,nice piece of home-made cake (carrot) a cold drink for my grand kids sat out in the sunshine on nice clean seats and tables,fed the birds and took in the lakeside scenery,no crack heads or foul mouthed drunks (alla town centre) all for under £5,the place THE BOAT HOUSE in TAYLOR PARK,proper service not corporate greed.
i had a lovely cup of coffee on Thursday,nice piece of home-made cake (carrot) a cold drink for my grand kids sat out in the sunshine on nice clean seats and tables,fed the birds and took in the lakeside scenery,no crack heads or foul mouthed drunks (alla town centre) all for under £5,the place THE BOAT HOUSE in TAYLOR PARK,proper service not corporate greed. keepitreel
  • Score: 3

1:14pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Hughwithaview says...

Sankey wrote:
Can people not use ppl when they mean people it's so irritating
I totally agree!
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: Can people not use ppl when they mean people it's so irritating[/p][/quote]I totally agree! Hughwithaview
  • Score: 0

1:23pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Hughwithaview says...

Well now we have established that shopping in the town centre is an outdated idea and that we should all sit round wearing berets and sandals drinking coffee perhaps someone should tell Uncle Barrie at the Town Hall to put a hold on the million pounds. Better still he could give all us hard done by tax payers a rebate. Sorry if all this sounds a bit far out but I have just had my fifth expresso and I am as high as a kite!
Well now we have established that shopping in the town centre is an outdated idea and that we should all sit round wearing berets and sandals drinking coffee perhaps someone should tell Uncle Barrie at the Town Hall to put a hold on the million pounds. Better still he could give all us hard done by tax payers a rebate. Sorry if all this sounds a bit far out but I have just had my fifth expresso and I am as high as a kite! Hughwithaview
  • Score: 0

4:12pm Mon 16 Jun 14

barrie timpson says...

Did the 5th one put a dent in the smell of hair lacquer and urine?
Did the 5th one put a dent in the smell of hair lacquer and urine? barrie timpson
  • Score: 0

5:30pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Sankey says...

Hughwithaview wrote:
Well now we have established that shopping in the town centre is an outdated idea and that we should all sit round wearing berets and sandals drinking coffee perhaps someone should tell Uncle Barrie at the Town Hall to put a hold on the million pounds. Better still he could give all us hard done by tax payers a rebate. Sorry if all this sounds a bit far out but I have just had my fifth expresso and I am as high as a kite!
Yes just what is bazza going to spend that million pounds on ?

Still I guess when you have come up with a political slogan you have to carry it through what's a million pound wasted there is another £89m in the bank anyway and worst comes to the worst bazza can put the council tax up again next year.

Running on fumes ?
[quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: Well now we have established that shopping in the town centre is an outdated idea and that we should all sit round wearing berets and sandals drinking coffee perhaps someone should tell Uncle Barrie at the Town Hall to put a hold on the million pounds. Better still he could give all us hard done by tax payers a rebate. Sorry if all this sounds a bit far out but I have just had my fifth expresso and I am as high as a kite![/p][/quote]Yes just what is bazza going to spend that million pounds on ? Still I guess when you have come up with a political slogan you have to carry it through what's a million pound wasted there is another £89m in the bank anyway and worst comes to the worst bazza can put the council tax up again next year. Running on fumes ? Sankey
  • Score: 0

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