LiveLIVE : ELECTION RESULTS

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Summary

  • Counting begins for St Helens Council elections
  • Sixteen seats in the borough’s wards are contested with candidates from seven different parties standing for election.
  • Yesterday also saw the vote for the European Parliamentary elections which will see the north west decide on its MEPs for the next five years.
  • The regional count will take place on Sunday evening in Manchester in line with the rest of Europe.

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10:09am Fri 23 May 14

smith&weston says...

Why was there no count immediately after the polls closed as there has been in previous ears ? Are the current council so complacent about the sheeple doing their job and voting for anything that is a shade of red that they felt that there was no need ?
Why was there no count immediately after the polls closed as there has been in previous ears ? Are the current council so complacent about the sheeple doing their job and voting for anything that is a shade of red that they felt that there was no need ? smith&weston
  • Score: 11

10:24am Fri 23 May 14

jaybs says...

There is no need at all for the count to be delayed until Friday morning, it is 2014, not 1914! Just been sick and tired in this election of the propaganda from one party! in the wrap around in our local media, in fact in our block of apartments when this happened no one took the paper they left it to be Binned. Do voters not remember that in the last General Election this same party told us we would lose our local Hospitals, now we have three superb stage of the art hospitals in St Helens, Whiston & Newton, all we do have is a town that is dying on it's feel due to a badly run one party council, and a council leader who is pointless!
There is no need at all for the count to be delayed until Friday morning, it is 2014, not 1914! Just been sick and tired in this election of the propaganda from one party! in the wrap around in our local media, in fact in our block of apartments when this happened no one took the paper they left it to be Binned. Do voters not remember that in the last General Election this same party told us we would lose our local Hospitals, now we have three superb stage of the art hospitals in St Helens, Whiston & Newton, all we do have is a town that is dying on it's feel due to a badly run one party council, and a council leader who is pointless! jaybs
  • Score: 18

11:59am Fri 23 May 14

jaybs says...

Sefton, Liverpool & Wirral have announced most results, and we still wait in St Helens? so typical.
Sefton, Liverpool & Wirral have announced most results, and we still wait in St Helens? so typical. jaybs
  • Score: 11

12:53pm Fri 23 May 14

ImTopMan says...

I come from a family of Labour supporters (dad,grandad, great grandad etc), however, I don't rate them as a party anymore so refused to vote for them despite a bloke driving around Sutton with a megaphone yesterday encouraging everyone to do so.

I'm not convinced by UKIP and the rest aren't worth a mention. So kept my voting slip firmly in my pocket.
I come from a family of Labour supporters (dad,grandad, great grandad etc), however, I don't rate them as a party anymore so refused to vote for them despite a bloke driving around Sutton with a megaphone yesterday encouraging everyone to do so. I'm not convinced by UKIP and the rest aren't worth a mention. So kept my voting slip firmly in my pocket. ImTopMan
  • Score: 1

1:12pm Fri 23 May 14

Justice' Revenge says...

Why is St Helens so far behind the rest of the area/country!? Surely they cant be so disorganised, there's been plenty of notice of the election.
On a different note, Liebour have certainly been rattled this time. Shame it'll be UKIP that get in instead of them though, that is a worry. Still, cant do much more harm than the incumbants!? Freedom for St Helens!
Why is St Helens so far behind the rest of the area/country!? Surely they cant be so disorganised, there's been plenty of notice of the election. On a different note, Liebour have certainly been rattled this time. Shame it'll be UKIP that get in instead of them though, that is a worry. Still, cant do much more harm than the incumbants!? Freedom for St Helens! Justice' Revenge
  • Score: 7

1:41pm Fri 23 May 14

barrie timpson says...

I see Murie Remmer right in the thick of it there - rubbing her hands in glee at the prospect of taking the town back another 30 years.

She'll have us all on the picket lines soon , chanting " Scargill scargill" , "Right at the heart of the town" , "Those **** Tories" and "Those hardest hit" (by parking fines ironically) before we know it.

All these years a Labour town - and where has it got us??
I see Murie Remmer right in the thick of it there - rubbing her hands in glee at the prospect of taking the town back another 30 years. She'll have us all on the picket lines soon , chanting " Scargill scargill" , "Right at the heart of the town" , "Those **** Tories" and "Those hardest hit" (by parking fines ironically) before we know it. All these years a Labour town - and where has it got us?? barrie timpson
  • Score: 14

1:52pm Fri 23 May 14

barrie timpson says...

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AVAILABLE SOON!! DON'T MISS OUT!! MIRIE ROMMERS GREATEST HITS - INCLUDING "COAL MINERS DAUGHTER"(WEST PARK LABOUR CLUB REMIX) "RIGHT AT THE HEART OF TOWN , THIS DIRTY OLD TOWN" "A TORY MADE ME DO IT , DO IT DO IT DO IT" AND THE LOWIES DANCE FLOOR SMASH HIT ........ " WAVE YOUR BANNERS HIGH - I'M SCARGILL 'TILL I DIE" THIS LIMITED 2014 WILL ALSO INCLUDE 2 NEW SONGS !! "ME AND BARRIE -BARRIE AND I" A SUPERB DUET WITH BARRIE GRUNEWALD AND.... "I'M NOT IN IT FOR THE EXPENSES- NO REALLY I'M NOT....HONESTLY" THIS ALBUM IS ONLY AVAILABLE ON TELSTAR CASSETTE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE AT ALL GOOD WORKING MANS CLUBS AND THE SMITHY MANOR - DON'T MISS OUT - ORDER TODAY TO RECEIVE A FREE PICKET LINE BANNER OF YOUR CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! barrie timpson
  • Score: 16

1:57pm Fri 23 May 14

Bettim says...

ImTopMan wrote:
I come from a family of Labour supporters (dad,grandad, great grandad etc), however, I don't rate them as a party anymore so refused to vote for them despite a bloke driving around Sutton with a megaphone yesterday encouraging everyone to do so.

I'm not convinced by UKIP and the rest aren't worth a mention. So kept my voting slip firmly in my pocket.
So really you keep the Coalition in power some Labour man you are
[quote][p][bold]ImTopMan[/bold] wrote: I come from a family of Labour supporters (dad,grandad, great grandad etc), however, I don't rate them as a party anymore so refused to vote for them despite a bloke driving around Sutton with a megaphone yesterday encouraging everyone to do so. I'm not convinced by UKIP and the rest aren't worth a mention. So kept my voting slip firmly in my pocket.[/p][/quote]So really you keep the Coalition in power some Labour man you are Bettim
  • Score: 1

2:03pm Fri 23 May 14

barrie timpson says...

Bettim wrote:
ImTopMan wrote:
I come from a family of Labour supporters (dad,grandad, great grandad etc), however, I don't rate them as a party anymore so refused to vote for them despite a bloke driving around Sutton with a megaphone yesterday encouraging everyone to do so.

I'm not convinced by UKIP and the rest aren't worth a mention. So kept my voting slip firmly in my pocket.
So really you keep the Coalition in power some Labour man you are
Well he does clearly state in his post that he actually doesn't rate the Labour party , so he isn't really a Labour drone at all is he.

Also you do know that these votes can't actually affect the coalition being in power??

That election is next year.
[quote][p][bold]Bettim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ImTopMan[/bold] wrote: I come from a family of Labour supporters (dad,grandad, great grandad etc), however, I don't rate them as a party anymore so refused to vote for them despite a bloke driving around Sutton with a megaphone yesterday encouraging everyone to do so. I'm not convinced by UKIP and the rest aren't worth a mention. So kept my voting slip firmly in my pocket.[/p][/quote]So really you keep the Coalition in power some Labour man you are[/p][/quote]Well he does clearly state in his post that he actually doesn't rate the Labour party , so he isn't really a Labour drone at all is he. Also you do know that these votes can't actually affect the coalition being in power?? That election is next year. barrie timpson
  • Score: 1

2:48pm Fri 23 May 14

suttonboy says...

News just in... a cat with a red rosette stuck on its collar has just won the Sutton seat for labour. Local politics at it's best. One local commented "I voted for the labour cat because a car told me to".
News just in... a cat with a red rosette stuck on its collar has just won the Sutton seat for labour. Local politics at it's best. One local commented "I voted for the labour cat because a car told me to". suttonboy
  • Score: 12

3:52pm Fri 23 May 14

jaybs says...

The twitter post from the so called leader of St Helens Council, shows the intelligence of the man, a disgrace to democracy, at least ex Mayor & Councillor John Beirne is St Helens born and served this town with honour, unlike a leader parachuted in to take over a plush job!



Cllr BarrieGrunewald @CllrBarrieG
The question was asked who is john Beirne - the electorate has answered, he is the weakest link, goodbye!
1:29 PM - 23 May 2014
Retweeted by Rich Durber
The twitter post from the so called leader of St Helens Council, shows the intelligence of the man, a disgrace to democracy, at least ex Mayor & Councillor John Beirne is St Helens born and served this town with honour, unlike a leader parachuted in to take over a plush job! Cllr BarrieGrunewald @CllrBarrieG The question was asked who is john Beirne - the electorate has answered, he is the weakest link, goodbye! 1:29 PM - 23 May 2014 Retweeted by Rich Durber jaybs
  • Score: 9

3:53pm Fri 23 May 14

alanpartridge65 says...

Ah great, another year of Labour doing what they have always done best - running St Helens into the ground.
Ah great, another year of Labour doing what they have always done best - running St Helens into the ground. alanpartridge65
  • Score: 9

4:23pm Fri 23 May 14

Tom_Allcock says...

Excellent coverage from The Star. 16 seats to be won, a live event to broadcast the results and the best The star can manage is the actual results from 2 wards (Parr and Thatto) and the winner of 2 more. Am I to assume that not a single vote was cast in the other 12 wards?
Excellent coverage from The Star. 16 seats to be won, a live event to broadcast the results and the best The star can manage is the actual results from 2 wards (Parr and Thatto) and the winner of 2 more. Am I to assume that not a single vote was cast in the other 12 wards? Tom_Allcock
  • Score: 11

5:45pm Fri 23 May 14

Sankey says...

Well the electorate has spoken and barrie grunewald has spoken even though his tweet demonstrates both lack of intelligence and class he is right. The people of St. Helens want more labour rule and now we have got it. I feel one of the factors was the emergence of UKIP previously the lib dems were the protest vote against labours dominance now the protest vote has been split between UKIP and the lib dems.
Well the electorate has spoken and barrie grunewald has spoken even though his tweet demonstrates both lack of intelligence and class he is right. The people of St. Helens want more labour rule and now we have got it. I feel one of the factors was the emergence of UKIP previously the lib dems were the protest vote against labours dominance now the protest vote has been split between UKIP and the lib dems. Sankey
  • Score: 2

5:53pm Fri 23 May 14

jaybs says...

Be interesting to know why the election results in detail finished after two wards results? the St Helens Council website still has no results? Well little changes!
Be interesting to know why the election results in detail finished after two wards results? the St Helens Council website still has no results? Well little changes! jaybs
  • Score: 1

6:04pm Fri 23 May 14

jaybs says...

Billinge: Labour hold. Con 433, Lib Dem 64, BNP 64, Lab 1443, UKIP 873, Green 157. Turnout 34.3%

Blackbrook: Lab hold. Lib Dem 145, Con 179, UKIP 626, Lab 1562. Turnout 30.46%

Bold: Lab hold. UKIP 497, Lab 1224, Green 139, Lib Dem 119, Con 179. Turnout 28.7%

Earlestown: Lab hold. Lib Dem 183, Lab 1559, Con 264, Green 253. Turnout 27.56%

Eccleston: Lib Dem hold. UKIP 520, Green 186, Lib Dem 1630, Con 340, Lab 762. Turnout 37.1%

Moss Bank: Lab hold. Lab 1445, Green 184, Con 234, Lib Dem 263, UKIP 680. Turnout 33.44%

Haydock: Lab hold. Lab 1542, Con 259, Green 128, Trade Unionists and Socialists 51, UKIP 592. Turnout 28.61%

Newton: Labour gain. Lab 1237, Con 322, Green 216, Lib Dem 978. Turnout 31.8%

Parr: Labour hold. UKIP 497, Lab 1444, Con 95. Turnout 23.8%

Rainford: Conservative hold. Lab 836, Green 188, Trade Unionists and Socialists 117, Con 1312. Turnout 37.5%

Rainhill: Labour hold. Green 211, Lab 1612, UKIP 560, Con 700. Turnout 34.43%

Sutton: Labour gain. Green 78, UKIP 607, Lab 1418, Lib Dem 545, Con 145. Turnout 31.6%

Town Centre: Labour hold. Con 131, UKIP 667, Green 107, BNP 87, Lab 1470. Turnout 31.3%

Windle: Labour hold. Con 501, Lab 1204, Lib Dem 109, UKIP 498, Green 239. Turnout 31.8%
Billinge: Labour hold. Con 433, Lib Dem 64, BNP 64, Lab 1443, UKIP 873, Green 157. Turnout 34.3% Blackbrook: Lab hold. Lib Dem 145, Con 179, UKIP 626, Lab 1562. Turnout 30.46% Bold: Lab hold. UKIP 497, Lab 1224, Green 139, Lib Dem 119, Con 179. Turnout 28.7% Earlestown: Lab hold. Lib Dem 183, Lab 1559, Con 264, Green 253. Turnout 27.56% Eccleston: Lib Dem hold. UKIP 520, Green 186, Lib Dem 1630, Con 340, Lab 762. Turnout 37.1% Moss Bank: Lab hold. Lab 1445, Green 184, Con 234, Lib Dem 263, UKIP 680. Turnout 33.44% Haydock: Lab hold. Lab 1542, Con 259, Green 128, Trade Unionists and Socialists 51, UKIP 592. Turnout 28.61% Newton: Labour gain. Lab 1237, Con 322, Green 216, Lib Dem 978. Turnout 31.8% Parr: Labour hold. UKIP 497, Lab 1444, Con 95. Turnout 23.8% Rainford: Conservative hold. Lab 836, Green 188, Trade Unionists and Socialists 117, Con 1312. Turnout 37.5% Rainhill: Labour hold. Green 211, Lab 1612, UKIP 560, Con 700. Turnout 34.43% Sutton: Labour gain. Green 78, UKIP 607, Lab 1418, Lib Dem 545, Con 145. Turnout 31.6% Town Centre: Labour hold. Con 131, UKIP 667, Green 107, BNP 87, Lab 1470. Turnout 31.3% Windle: Labour hold. Con 501, Lab 1204, Lib Dem 109, UKIP 498, Green 239. Turnout 31.8% jaybs
  • Score: 0

11:16am Sat 24 May 14

PM says...

Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year.
Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year. PM
  • Score: -4

12:19pm Sat 24 May 14

jaybs says...

PM shows the same disrespect for voters as Miliband did! real complacency "now UKIP sent packing" are you certain then? perhaps they were in Rotherham as strong Labour as St Helens is. You only need to watch voters in Rotherham on TV who say that families have only ever voted for one party through times, but now they are sick and tired! The is no doubting the state that the last Labour government left our country in, for me I saw my small private pension I had served dammed hard for cut in half with Gordon Brown robbing pensions and the collapse in the market due to Labour.

St Helens is going backwards, no one comes to St Helens to shop any more, in fact most residents would visit Wigan & Warrington first for shopping for the real diverse of shops and major stores.

I would never want to vote UKIP, but in 12 months time, we need to think carefully how we can Bring Change to St Helens, it will not be with Labour or the current Council Leader, IF only UKIP stood against Labour in St Helens I would vote UKIP just to kick Labour out, before it is too late! Other voters need to start thinking what they want for the Future not just for the Country, but St Helens Our Home Town!
PM shows the same disrespect for voters as Miliband did! real complacency "now UKIP sent packing" are you certain then? perhaps they were in Rotherham as strong Labour as St Helens is. You only need to watch voters in Rotherham on TV who say that families have only ever voted for one party through times, but now they are sick and tired! The is no doubting the state that the last Labour government left our country in, for me I saw my small private pension I had served dammed hard for cut in half with Gordon Brown robbing pensions and the collapse in the market due to Labour. St Helens is going backwards, no one comes to St Helens to shop any more, in fact most residents would visit Wigan & Warrington first for shopping for the real diverse of shops and major stores. I would never want to vote UKIP, but in 12 months time, we need to think carefully how we can Bring Change to St Helens, it will not be with Labour or the current Council Leader, IF only UKIP stood against Labour in St Helens I would vote UKIP just to kick Labour out, before it is too late! Other voters need to start thinking what they want for the Future not just for the Country, but St Helens Our Home Town! jaybs
  • Score: 1

2:28pm Sat 24 May 14

Sankey says...

Well PM St. Helens is not representative of the UK and let's be thankful for that. Also the euro results are not out until Sunday so we don't know how they have done until then, Clearly you think UKIP are a flash in the pan well let's see about that.
Well PM St. Helens is not representative of the UK and let's be thankful for that. Also the euro results are not out until Sunday so we don't know how they have done until then, Clearly you think UKIP are a flash in the pan well let's see about that. Sankey
  • Score: 2

2:35pm Sat 24 May 14

jamesdev31@hotmail.com says...

Perhaps now is the best time to campaign for a return to the committee system of local governance?

Then LOCAL people , elected as councillors , will support the voice of LOCAL people , replacing the executive system..essentially an elected dictatorship ,overriding the LOCAL issues in pursuit of Labour's globalist agenda ......(including support for fracking)
Fylde Civic Awareness group has just won a referendum, forcing the council to revert back to the committee system ...it can be changed ...but only if enough LOCAL constituents rally together actively forcing real change on professional placemen often parachuted and imposed on communities such as St Helens .

How many people across this borough has ever heard of UN Agenda 21?

J.Devlin
Chair ..... North West Tenants and Residents Assembly
Perhaps now is the best time to campaign for a return to the committee system of local governance? Then LOCAL people , elected as councillors , will support the voice of LOCAL people , replacing the executive system..essentially an elected dictatorship ,overriding the LOCAL issues in pursuit of Labour's globalist agenda ......(including support for fracking) Fylde Civic Awareness group has just won a referendum, forcing the council to revert back to the committee system ...it can be changed ...but only if enough LOCAL constituents rally together actively forcing real change on professional placemen often parachuted and imposed on communities such as St Helens . How many people across this borough has ever heard of UN Agenda 21? J.Devlin Chair ..... North West Tenants and Residents Assembly jamesdev31@hotmail.com
  • Score: 3

3:13pm Sat 24 May 14

barrie timpson says...

PM is a bitter old disillusioned socialist. He champions the minorities he likes , yet doesn't believe there should be a minority voice when he doesn't agree with it.
Christ , even his own son joined the army to get away from him.
PM is a bitter old disillusioned socialist. He champions the minorities he likes , yet doesn't believe there should be a minority voice when he doesn't agree with it. Christ , even his own son joined the army to get away from him. barrie timpson
  • Score: -2

3:48pm Sat 24 May 14

Sankey says...

barrie timpson wrote:
PM is a bitter old disillusioned socialist. He champions the minorities he likes , yet doesn't believe there should be a minority voice when he doesn't agree with it.
Christ , even his own son joined the army to get away from him.
If you are a bitter old socialist there is no better place to be than St. Helens a place in a time warp. He must thing he has landed in heaven a further labour majority running the council and the old class warrior Marie Rimmer back as MP.
[quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: PM is a bitter old disillusioned socialist. He champions the minorities he likes , yet doesn't believe there should be a minority voice when he doesn't agree with it. Christ , even his own son joined the army to get away from him.[/p][/quote]If you are a bitter old socialist there is no better place to be than St. Helens a place in a time warp. He must thing he has landed in heaven a further labour majority running the council and the old class warrior Marie Rimmer back as MP. Sankey
  • Score: -1

4:51pm Sat 24 May 14

Hughwithaview says...

PM wrote:
Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year.
Chuckle away PM - so we who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority are we? Well I would say that looking at the dismal turnout for the polling stations, the Council you so fiercely defend is actually not in such rude health itself!
Do you walk round with your eyes shut or are you so entrenched in the Labour camp that you will not acknowledge that the town of St Helens is on it's knees?

The next time you are having tea with Barrie and Marie, whilst passing them another supersize cream cake, you might just want to take a reality check - and admit St Helens is certainly not flourishing under their control
[quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year.[/p][/quote]Chuckle away PM - so we who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority are we? Well I would say that looking at the dismal turnout for the polling stations, the Council you so fiercely defend is actually not in such rude health itself! Do you walk round with your eyes shut or are you so entrenched in the Labour camp that you will not acknowledge that the town of St Helens is on it's knees? The next time you are having tea with Barrie and Marie, whilst passing them another supersize cream cake, you might just want to take a reality check - and admit St Helens is certainly not flourishing under their control Hughwithaview
  • Score: 1

5:56pm Sat 24 May 14

PM says...

Sankey wrote:
Well PM St. Helens is not representative of the UK and let's be thankful for that. Also the euro results are not out until Sunday so we don't know how they have done until then, Clearly you think UKIP are a flash in the pan well let's see about that.
It was certainly fairly representative on Thursday as Labour made hundreds of gains in council seats across the country. As for UKIP , you wouldn't think it but their vote fell 7% compared to last year's local elections. That's "fell" , not increased. And I predict they will fall further next year, we had this with the BNP in the late 90's through to 2008 .Now they are dead in the water, as all single issue parties end up.
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: Well PM St. Helens is not representative of the UK and let's be thankful for that. Also the euro results are not out until Sunday so we don't know how they have done until then, Clearly you think UKIP are a flash in the pan well let's see about that.[/p][/quote]It was certainly fairly representative on Thursday as Labour made hundreds of gains in council seats across the country. As for UKIP , you wouldn't think it but their vote fell 7% compared to last year's local elections. That's "fell" , not increased. And I predict they will fall further next year, we had this with the BNP in the late 90's through to 2008 .Now they are dead in the water, as all single issue parties end up. PM
  • Score: 1

6:00pm Sat 24 May 14

PM says...

Sankey wrote:
barrie timpson wrote:
PM is a bitter old disillusioned socialist. He champions the minorities he likes , yet doesn't believe there should be a minority voice when he doesn't agree with it.
Christ , even his own son joined the army to get away from him.
If you are a bitter old socialist there is no better place to be than St. Helens a place in a time warp. He must thing he has landed in heaven a further labour majority running the council and the old class warrior Marie Rimmer back as MP.
Exactly Sankey, exactly ,couldn't be happier :D
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: PM is a bitter old disillusioned socialist. He champions the minorities he likes , yet doesn't believe there should be a minority voice when he doesn't agree with it. Christ , even his own son joined the army to get away from him.[/p][/quote]If you are a bitter old socialist there is no better place to be than St. Helens a place in a time warp. He must thing he has landed in heaven a further labour majority running the council and the old class warrior Marie Rimmer back as MP.[/p][/quote]Exactly Sankey, exactly ,couldn't be happier :D PM
  • Score: 3

6:07pm Sat 24 May 14

PM says...

Hughwithaview wrote:
PM wrote:
Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year.
Chuckle away PM - so we who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority are we? Well I would say that looking at the dismal turnout for the polling stations, the Council you so fiercely defend is actually not in such rude health itself!
Do you walk round with your eyes shut or are you so entrenched in the Labour camp that you will not acknowledge that the town of St Helens is on it's knees?

The next time you are having tea with Barrie and Marie, whilst passing them another supersize cream cake, you might just want to take a reality check - and admit St Helens is certainly not flourishing under their control
yes you are very much the minority,as will be even more obvious when they have to weigh,rather than count, the Labour vote in St Helens at next year's general election.. If the council was as dreadful as you say I'm sure people would be queueing at the polls to vote it out. Apathy isn't a symptom of anger, quite the opposite.
[quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year.[/p][/quote]Chuckle away PM - so we who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority are we? Well I would say that looking at the dismal turnout for the polling stations, the Council you so fiercely defend is actually not in such rude health itself! Do you walk round with your eyes shut or are you so entrenched in the Labour camp that you will not acknowledge that the town of St Helens is on it's knees? The next time you are having tea with Barrie and Marie, whilst passing them another supersize cream cake, you might just want to take a reality check - and admit St Helens is certainly not flourishing under their control[/p][/quote]yes you are very much the minority,as will be even more obvious when they have to weigh,rather than count, the Labour vote in St Helens at next year's general election.. If the council was as dreadful as you say I'm sure people would be queueing at the polls to vote it out. Apathy isn't a symptom of anger, quite the opposite. PM
  • Score: -2

6:16pm Sat 24 May 14

barrie timpson says...

Strange man.
Strange man. barrie timpson
  • Score: 0

6:41pm Sat 24 May 14

barrie timpson says...

PM wrote:
Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year.
In your infinite wisdom , you've neglected to notice that the poll is for the European elections and not the local ones. Now, you may be very bright , and may be correct - but we won't know until the results are out.

What that says about you , I'm not sure.....
[quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year.[/p][/quote]In your infinite wisdom , you've neglected to notice that the poll is for the European elections and not the local ones. Now, you may be very bright , and may be correct - but we won't know until the results are out. What that says about you , I'm not sure..... barrie timpson
  • Score: 0

6:50pm Sat 24 May 14

barrie timpson says...

"Well done to St Helens for rejecting knee jerk xenophobia"...PM

Just as the Labour leader vows to end " the UK's chronic dependency on cheap foreign Labour."
He said low-skilled immigration was making the cost of living crisis worse.

He also said today that "Labour must listen to the public's concerns on immigration in the light of Ukip's success. So St Helens has voted for knee jerk xenophobia - they're just to stupid to realise it.

"Hi, I'm your average Labour voter - and I have absolutely no idea what I'm voting for" haha.
"Well done to St Helens for rejecting knee jerk xenophobia"...PM Just as the Labour leader vows to end " the UK's chronic dependency on cheap foreign Labour." He said low-skilled immigration was making the cost of living crisis worse. He also said today that "Labour must listen to the public's concerns on immigration in the light of Ukip's success. So St Helens has voted for knee jerk xenophobia - they're just to stupid to realise it. "Hi, I'm your average Labour voter - and I have absolutely no idea what I'm voting for" haha. barrie timpson
  • Score: 2

6:51pm Sat 24 May 14

barrie timpson says...

*too stupid*
*too stupid* barrie timpson
  • Score: -1

6:59pm Sat 24 May 14

Sankey says...

PM whereas it's true labour won overall control of more councils the number was 6.

A year before the general election for an opposition that's dismal and many labour backbencher are making a lot of noises about ousting him. As for UKIP the European elections are out tommorrow a concept you seem to be struggling with.

As for St. Helens I don't think labour are popular more it's the implosion of the lib dems and the emergence of the greens and UKIP splitting the labour protest vote in a labour zombie voting area.

Grunewald and Rimmer are laughing all the way to the pie shop which judging by the photos they clearly are. Incidentally in that point I seem to recall mr grunewald lecturing St. Helens people in his newsletter about healthy lifestyles.

You could not make it up could you ?
PM whereas it's true labour won overall control of more councils the number was 6. A year before the general election for an opposition that's dismal and many labour backbencher are making a lot of noises about ousting him. As for UKIP the European elections are out tommorrow a concept you seem to be struggling with. As for St. Helens I don't think labour are popular more it's the implosion of the lib dems and the emergence of the greens and UKIP splitting the labour protest vote in a labour zombie voting area. Grunewald and Rimmer are laughing all the way to the pie shop which judging by the photos they clearly are. Incidentally in that point I seem to recall mr grunewald lecturing St. Helens people in his newsletter about healthy lifestyles. You could not make it up could you ? Sankey
  • Score: 2

8:12pm Sat 24 May 14

chasmcn says...

PM wrote:
Sankey wrote:
barrie timpson wrote:
PM is a bitter old disillusioned socialist. He champions the minorities he likes , yet doesn't believe there should be a minority voice when he doesn't agree with it.
Christ , even his own son joined the army to get away from him.
If you are a bitter old socialist there is no better place to be than St. Helens a place in a time warp. He must thing he has landed in heaven a further labour majority running the council and the old class warrior Marie Rimmer back as MP.
Exactly Sankey, exactly ,couldn't be happier :D
I don't normally give tory tax exile billionaires the time of day but Lord Ashcroft conducted a poll of the marginal seats during the local and european elections and produced the results at a Conservative conference today predicting a Labour majority of 83 seats in 2015 ,so there are a lot of bitter old socialist wanting a Labour govt .
[quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: PM is a bitter old disillusioned socialist. He champions the minorities he likes , yet doesn't believe there should be a minority voice when he doesn't agree with it. Christ , even his own son joined the army to get away from him.[/p][/quote]If you are a bitter old socialist there is no better place to be than St. Helens a place in a time warp. He must thing he has landed in heaven a further labour majority running the council and the old class warrior Marie Rimmer back as MP.[/p][/quote]Exactly Sankey, exactly ,couldn't be happier :D[/p][/quote]I don't normally give tory tax exile billionaires the time of day but Lord Ashcroft conducted a poll of the marginal seats during the local and european elections and produced the results at a Conservative conference today predicting a Labour majority of 83 seats in 2015 ,so there are a lot of bitter old socialist wanting a Labour govt . chasmcn
  • Score: 1

8:19pm Sat 24 May 14

barrie timpson says...

The same poll said that they would prefer Cameron as PM though, so I wouldn't take much note.

However, I wouldn't be so bothered with a Labour win nationally , they're no worse than any other. It's locally I have the problem with them.
The same poll said that they would prefer Cameron as PM though, so I wouldn't take much note. However, I wouldn't be so bothered with a Labour win nationally , they're no worse than any other. It's locally I have the problem with them. barrie timpson
  • Score: -2

8:28pm Sat 24 May 14

barrie timpson says...

...and whatever my feelings on Socialism , New Labour were not and this current regime is certainly not socialist.
...and whatever my feelings on Socialism , New Labour were not and this current regime is certainly not socialist. barrie timpson
  • Score: -1

8:43pm Sat 24 May 14

chasmcn says...

Sankey wrote:
PM whereas it's true labour won overall control of more councils the number was 6.

A year before the general election for an opposition that's dismal and many labour backbencher are making a lot of noises about ousting him. As for UKIP the European elections are out tommorrow a concept you seem to be struggling with.

As for St. Helens I don't think labour are popular more it's the implosion of the lib dems and the emergence of the greens and UKIP splitting the labour protest vote in a labour zombie voting area.

Grunewald and Rimmer are laughing all the way to the pie shop which judging by the photos they clearly are. Incidentally in that point I seem to recall mr grunewald lecturing St. Helens people in his newsletter about healthy lifestyles.

You could not make it up could you ?
Sankey the number was 82 a gain of 6 or put it this way 50% of councils in the England are now Labour controlled actually well over 50% if you count Wales and Scotland in the UK , how many are are the kippers in control of is it O ,zilch,na da,none. The spin the right wing media in this country is saying this is a bad result for Labour is pathetic . You think that people with a protest vote will vote Ukip if they do a deal with the Tories i think not .
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: PM whereas it's true labour won overall control of more councils the number was 6. A year before the general election for an opposition that's dismal and many labour backbencher are making a lot of noises about ousting him. As for UKIP the European elections are out tommorrow a concept you seem to be struggling with. As for St. Helens I don't think labour are popular more it's the implosion of the lib dems and the emergence of the greens and UKIP splitting the labour protest vote in a labour zombie voting area. Grunewald and Rimmer are laughing all the way to the pie shop which judging by the photos they clearly are. Incidentally in that point I seem to recall mr grunewald lecturing St. Helens people in his newsletter about healthy lifestyles. You could not make it up could you ?[/p][/quote]Sankey the number was 82 a gain of 6 or put it this way 50% of councils in the England are now Labour controlled actually well over 50% if you count Wales and Scotland in the UK , how many are are the kippers in control of is it O ,zilch,na da,none. The spin the right wing media in this country is saying this is a bad result for Labour is pathetic . You think that people with a protest vote will vote Ukip if they do a deal with the Tories i think not . chasmcn
  • Score: 1

9:24pm Sat 24 May 14

barrie timpson says...

Even though Labour are adopting ukip policies........

http://www.standard.
co.uk/news/politics/
ed-miliband-warns-ro
manian-and-bulgarian
-influx-could-make-l
abour-market-tougher
-for-british-workers
-9039812.html

Sound familiar?
Even though Labour are adopting ukip policies........ http://www.standard. co.uk/news/politics/ ed-miliband-warns-ro manian-and-bulgarian -influx-could-make-l abour-market-tougher -for-british-workers -9039812.html Sound familiar? barrie timpson
  • Score: 1

9:48pm Sat 24 May 14

Hughwithaview says...

PM wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
PM wrote:
Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year.
Chuckle away PM - so we who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority are we? Well I would say that looking at the dismal turnout for the polling stations, the Council you so fiercely defend is actually not in such rude health itself!
Do you walk round with your eyes shut or are you so entrenched in the Labour camp that you will not acknowledge that the town of St Helens is on it's knees?

The next time you are having tea with Barrie and Marie, whilst passing them another supersize cream cake, you might just want to take a reality check - and admit St Helens is certainly not flourishing under their control
yes you are very much the minority,as will be even more obvious when they have to weigh,rather than count, the Labour vote in St Helens at next year's general election.. If the council was as dreadful as you say I'm sure people would be queueing at the polls to vote it out. Apathy isn't a symptom of anger, quite the opposite.
Yes this Council is as dreadful as I say and I am not the only one saying it. Do not measure the local election as a majority view when the majority of those eligible to vote did not even bother. You judge apathy as a sign of contentment which is a strange view to hold but then strange views appear to be your forte. I have no political agenda or affiliation but I know the difference between a good Council and a bad one. Since you are such a fan, perhaps you could:

List their achievments to date
Tell us the reason for increasing our Council Tax
Reveal the amount of savings through Councillors using of iPads/iPhones
Reveal why St Helens is not moving forward like Warrington/Wigan

I ask you because Barrie and Marie have never been able or willing to answer these questions. As a worshipper at the alter of the red rosette perhaps you can?
[quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year.[/p][/quote]Chuckle away PM - so we who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority are we? Well I would say that looking at the dismal turnout for the polling stations, the Council you so fiercely defend is actually not in such rude health itself! Do you walk round with your eyes shut or are you so entrenched in the Labour camp that you will not acknowledge that the town of St Helens is on it's knees? The next time you are having tea with Barrie and Marie, whilst passing them another supersize cream cake, you might just want to take a reality check - and admit St Helens is certainly not flourishing under their control[/p][/quote]yes you are very much the minority,as will be even more obvious when they have to weigh,rather than count, the Labour vote in St Helens at next year's general election.. If the council was as dreadful as you say I'm sure people would be queueing at the polls to vote it out. Apathy isn't a symptom of anger, quite the opposite.[/p][/quote]Yes this Council is as dreadful as I say and I am not the only one saying it. Do not measure the local election as a majority view when the majority of those eligible to vote did not even bother. You judge apathy as a sign of contentment which is a strange view to hold but then strange views appear to be your forte. I have no political agenda or affiliation but I know the difference between a good Council and a bad one. Since you are such a fan, perhaps you could: List their achievments to date Tell us the reason for increasing our Council Tax Reveal the amount of savings through Councillors using of iPads/iPhones Reveal why St Helens is not moving forward like Warrington/Wigan I ask you because Barrie and Marie have never been able or willing to answer these questions. As a worshipper at the alter of the red rosette perhaps you can? Hughwithaview
  • Score: 2

11:30pm Sat 24 May 14

chasmcn says...

barrie timpson wrote:
Even though Labour are adopting ukip policies........

http://www.standard.

co.uk/news/politics/

ed-miliband-warns-ro

manian-and-bulgarian

-influx-could-make-l

abour-market-tougher

-for-british-workers

-9039812.html

Sound familiar?
You think ukip is for the working person Carl ,looks like Miliband wants to stop people coming into the country driving down wages and work to getting people a better standard of living ,were as Ukip they want to stop people coming into the country and still pay poor wages friends of the low paid Ukip are not.you think Ukip would ask their rich Tory backers to pay more wages ,good article Carl some good stuff said by Miliband especially the comment about ending the ability of paying crap wages paid to agency staff to under cut regular staff wages that will get my vote .
[quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: Even though Labour are adopting ukip policies........ http://www.standard. co.uk/news/politics/ ed-miliband-warns-ro manian-and-bulgarian -influx-could-make-l abour-market-tougher -for-british-workers -9039812.html Sound familiar?[/p][/quote]You think ukip is for the working person Carl ,looks like Miliband wants to stop people coming into the country driving down wages and work to getting people a better standard of living ,were as Ukip they want to stop people coming into the country and still pay poor wages friends of the low paid Ukip are not.you think Ukip would ask their rich Tory backers to pay more wages ,good article Carl some good stuff said by Miliband especially the comment about ending the ability of paying crap wages paid to agency staff to under cut regular staff wages that will get my vote . chasmcn
  • Score: 1

8:22am Sun 25 May 14

barrie timpson says...

Stephen, I don't think anything about UKIP , and who is Carl?
Stephen, I don't think anything about UKIP , and who is Carl? barrie timpson
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Sun 25 May 14

Sankey says...

I have a theory the labour power brokers who controlled St. Helens over the years deliberately kept the town poor. And the Labour Party nationally has a vested interest in keeping people poor. Let's try to imagine St. Helens became prosperous and all the labour zombie voters on benefits started to strive and aspire and got money in their pockets. Does anyone believe this town would then be a labour stronghold ? Of course it would not it would repeat the pattern in other areas of the country and the north west. Labour fosters and thrives on human misery and keeping people down the more of it there is the better they are positioned, So what incentive have Rimmer / grunewald and co to better St. Helens politically they will be removing themselves from power. Far better to keep St. Helens on benefits in perpetuity
I have a theory the labour power brokers who controlled St. Helens over the years deliberately kept the town poor. And the Labour Party nationally has a vested interest in keeping people poor. Let's try to imagine St. Helens became prosperous and all the labour zombie voters on benefits started to strive and aspire and got money in their pockets. Does anyone believe this town would then be a labour stronghold ? Of course it would not it would repeat the pattern in other areas of the country and the north west. Labour fosters and thrives on human misery and keeping people down the more of it there is the better they are positioned, So what incentive have Rimmer / grunewald and co to better St. Helens politically they will be removing themselves from power. Far better to keep St. Helens on benefits in perpetuity Sankey
  • Score: 1

1:21pm Sun 25 May 14

PM says...

Hughwithaview wrote:
PM wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
PM wrote:
Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year.
Chuckle away PM - so we who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority are we? Well I would say that looking at the dismal turnout for the polling stations, the Council you so fiercely defend is actually not in such rude health itself!
Do you walk round with your eyes shut or are you so entrenched in the Labour camp that you will not acknowledge that the town of St Helens is on it's knees?

The next time you are having tea with Barrie and Marie, whilst passing them another supersize cream cake, you might just want to take a reality check - and admit St Helens is certainly not flourishing under their control
yes you are very much the minority,as will be even more obvious when they have to weigh,rather than count, the Labour vote in St Helens at next year's general election.. If the council was as dreadful as you say I'm sure people would be queueing at the polls to vote it out. Apathy isn't a symptom of anger, quite the opposite.
Yes this Council is as dreadful as I say and I am not the only one saying it. Do not measure the local election as a majority view when the majority of those eligible to vote did not even bother. You judge apathy as a sign of contentment which is a strange view to hold but then strange views appear to be your forte. I have no political agenda or affiliation but I know the difference between a good Council and a bad one. Since you are such a fan, perhaps you could:

List their achievments to date
Tell us the reason for increasing our Council Tax
Reveal the amount of savings through Councillors using of iPads/iPhones
Reveal why St Helens is not moving forward like Warrington/Wigan

I ask you because Barrie and Marie have never been able or willing to answer these questions. As a worshipper at the alter of the red rosette perhaps you can?
Council tax is increasing because government grant is decreasing,it's not exactly rocket science. As for iphones and ipads, it's all good populist tub thumping stuff but I most other councils have done this in order to cut down on paperwork,the use of laptops and printers and ultimately save money. As for Wigan and Warrington, oddly enough their local letters pages are full of the same stuff as ours. Unfavourably comparing other councils with their own.
[quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year.[/p][/quote]Chuckle away PM - so we who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority are we? Well I would say that looking at the dismal turnout for the polling stations, the Council you so fiercely defend is actually not in such rude health itself! Do you walk round with your eyes shut or are you so entrenched in the Labour camp that you will not acknowledge that the town of St Helens is on it's knees? The next time you are having tea with Barrie and Marie, whilst passing them another supersize cream cake, you might just want to take a reality check - and admit St Helens is certainly not flourishing under their control[/p][/quote]yes you are very much the minority,as will be even more obvious when they have to weigh,rather than count, the Labour vote in St Helens at next year's general election.. If the council was as dreadful as you say I'm sure people would be queueing at the polls to vote it out. Apathy isn't a symptom of anger, quite the opposite.[/p][/quote]Yes this Council is as dreadful as I say and I am not the only one saying it. Do not measure the local election as a majority view when the majority of those eligible to vote did not even bother. You judge apathy as a sign of contentment which is a strange view to hold but then strange views appear to be your forte. I have no political agenda or affiliation but I know the difference between a good Council and a bad one. Since you are such a fan, perhaps you could: List their achievments to date Tell us the reason for increasing our Council Tax Reveal the amount of savings through Councillors using of iPads/iPhones Reveal why St Helens is not moving forward like Warrington/Wigan I ask you because Barrie and Marie have never been able or willing to answer these questions. As a worshipper at the alter of the red rosette perhaps you can?[/p][/quote]Council tax is increasing because government grant is decreasing,it's not exactly rocket science. As for iphones and ipads, it's all good populist tub thumping stuff but I most other councils have done this in order to cut down on paperwork,the use of laptops and printers and ultimately save money. As for Wigan and Warrington, oddly enough their local letters pages are full of the same stuff as ours. Unfavourably comparing other councils with their own. PM
  • Score: -6

1:23pm Sun 25 May 14

PM says...

barrie timpson wrote:
Even though Labour are adopting ukip policies........

http://www.standard.

co.uk/news/politics/

ed-miliband-warns-ro

manian-and-bulgarian

-influx-could-make-l

abour-market-tougher

-for-british-workers

-9039812.html

Sound familiar?
that's not a policy.
[quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: Even though Labour are adopting ukip policies........ http://www.standard. co.uk/news/politics/ ed-miliband-warns-ro manian-and-bulgarian -influx-could-make-l abour-market-tougher -for-british-workers -9039812.html Sound familiar?[/p][/quote]that's not a policy. PM
  • Score: -1

1:29pm Sun 25 May 14

PM says...

Sankey wrote:
I have a theory the labour power brokers who controlled St. Helens over the years deliberately kept the town poor. And the Labour Party nationally has a vested interest in keeping people poor. Let's try to imagine St. Helens became prosperous and all the labour zombie voters on benefits started to strive and aspire and got money in their pockets. Does anyone believe this town would then be a labour stronghold ? Of course it would not it would repeat the pattern in other areas of the country and the north west. Labour fosters and thrives on human misery and keeping people down the more of it there is the better they are positioned, So what incentive have Rimmer / grunewald and co to better St. Helens politically they will be removing themselves from power. Far better to keep St. Helens on benefits in perpetuity
As I said, until the Tories and their fellow travellers cease to insult Labour voters in St Helens they will never make any progress.Labour don't hold suburban seats like Billinge, Rainhill and Newton because of people on benefits. Nor do they hold seats like Woolton and Childwall in Liverpool because of people on benefits.I understand your anger and upset but you really must move beyond this level of politics if possible.
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: I have a theory the labour power brokers who controlled St. Helens over the years deliberately kept the town poor. And the Labour Party nationally has a vested interest in keeping people poor. Let's try to imagine St. Helens became prosperous and all the labour zombie voters on benefits started to strive and aspire and got money in their pockets. Does anyone believe this town would then be a labour stronghold ? Of course it would not it would repeat the pattern in other areas of the country and the north west. Labour fosters and thrives on human misery and keeping people down the more of it there is the better they are positioned, So what incentive have Rimmer / grunewald and co to better St. Helens politically they will be removing themselves from power. Far better to keep St. Helens on benefits in perpetuity[/p][/quote]As I said, until the Tories and their fellow travellers cease to insult Labour voters in St Helens they will never make any progress.Labour don't hold suburban seats like Billinge, Rainhill and Newton because of people on benefits. Nor do they hold seats like Woolton and Childwall in Liverpool because of people on benefits.I understand your anger and upset but you really must move beyond this level of politics if possible. PM
  • Score: -3

2:15pm Sun 25 May 14

Sankey says...

PM I accept your point but the main core labour vote (especially in St. Helens) is the block benefit vote in the majority of the wards. If ever St. Helens because prosperous they would lies their majority and power base.
PM I accept your point but the main core labour vote (especially in St. Helens) is the block benefit vote in the majority of the wards. If ever St. Helens because prosperous they would lies their majority and power base. Sankey
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Sun 25 May 14

Hughwithaview says...

PM wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
PM wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
PM wrote:
Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year.
Chuckle away PM - so we who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority are we? Well I would say that looking at the dismal turnout for the polling stations, the Council you so fiercely defend is actually not in such rude health itself!
Do you walk round with your eyes shut or are you so entrenched in the Labour camp that you will not acknowledge that the town of St Helens is on it's knees?

The next time you are having tea with Barrie and Marie, whilst passing them another supersize cream cake, you might just want to take a reality check - and admit St Helens is certainly not flourishing under their control
yes you are very much the minority,as will be even more obvious when they have to weigh,rather than count, the Labour vote in St Helens at next year's general election.. If the council was as dreadful as you say I'm sure people would be queueing at the polls to vote it out. Apathy isn't a symptom of anger, quite the opposite.
Yes this Council is as dreadful as I say and I am not the only one saying it. Do not measure the local election as a majority view when the majority of those eligible to vote did not even bother. You judge apathy as a sign of contentment which is a strange view to hold but then strange views appear to be your forte. I have no political agenda or affiliation but I know the difference between a good Council and a bad one. Since you are such a fan, perhaps you could:

List their achievments to date
Tell us the reason for increasing our Council Tax
Reveal the amount of savings through Councillors using of iPads/iPhones
Reveal why St Helens is not moving forward like Warrington/Wigan

I ask you because Barrie and Marie have never been able or willing to answer these questions. As a worshipper at the alter of the red rosette perhaps you can?
Council tax is increasing because government grant is decreasing,it's not exactly rocket science. As for iphones and ipads, it's all good populist tub thumping stuff but I most other councils have done this in order to cut down on paperwork,the use of laptops and printers and ultimately save money. As for Wigan and Warrington, oddly enough their local letters pages are full of the same stuff as ours. Unfavourably comparing other councils with their own.
Seems you are as bad as Barrie and Marie at answering questions.
This Council turned down a grant in favour of increasing our Council Tax not to mention the substantial reserves they hold. There was absolutely no need for an increase. As for "the savings" here we go again with the airy fairy statements about saving money but as usual no hard figures to back it up with. If it's true that the residents of Warrington and Wigan are not happy with how their towns are progressing it just shows what a right mess St Helens is in because we cannot hold a candle to either of them!
[quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: Chuckling to myself at the sourpuss comments. The Star's online poll put UKIP support at 33% and Labour at 26% .As I said a while back that says more about those who comment on the Star's political content than support for political parties in town.Those who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority in St Helens.Well done to St Helens for yet again rejecting knee jerk xenophobia at the polls. First the BNP and now UKIP sent packing. And without the oxygen of Euro elections UKIP will flatline next year.[/p][/quote]Chuckle away PM - so we who shout loudest from the keyboards are in the minority are we? Well I would say that looking at the dismal turnout for the polling stations, the Council you so fiercely defend is actually not in such rude health itself! Do you walk round with your eyes shut or are you so entrenched in the Labour camp that you will not acknowledge that the town of St Helens is on it's knees? The next time you are having tea with Barrie and Marie, whilst passing them another supersize cream cake, you might just want to take a reality check - and admit St Helens is certainly not flourishing under their control[/p][/quote]yes you are very much the minority,as will be even more obvious when they have to weigh,rather than count, the Labour vote in St Helens at next year's general election.. If the council was as dreadful as you say I'm sure people would be queueing at the polls to vote it out. Apathy isn't a symptom of anger, quite the opposite.[/p][/quote]Yes this Council is as dreadful as I say and I am not the only one saying it. Do not measure the local election as a majority view when the majority of those eligible to vote did not even bother. You judge apathy as a sign of contentment which is a strange view to hold but then strange views appear to be your forte. I have no political agenda or affiliation but I know the difference between a good Council and a bad one. Since you are such a fan, perhaps you could: List their achievments to date Tell us the reason for increasing our Council Tax Reveal the amount of savings through Councillors using of iPads/iPhones Reveal why St Helens is not moving forward like Warrington/Wigan I ask you because Barrie and Marie have never been able or willing to answer these questions. As a worshipper at the alter of the red rosette perhaps you can?[/p][/quote]Council tax is increasing because government grant is decreasing,it's not exactly rocket science. As for iphones and ipads, it's all good populist tub thumping stuff but I most other councils have done this in order to cut down on paperwork,the use of laptops and printers and ultimately save money. As for Wigan and Warrington, oddly enough their local letters pages are full of the same stuff as ours. Unfavourably comparing other councils with their own.[/p][/quote]Seems you are as bad as Barrie and Marie at answering questions. This Council turned down a grant in favour of increasing our Council Tax not to mention the substantial reserves they hold. There was absolutely no need for an increase. As for "the savings" here we go again with the airy fairy statements about saving money but as usual no hard figures to back it up with. If it's true that the residents of Warrington and Wigan are not happy with how their towns are progressing it just shows what a right mess St Helens is in because we cannot hold a candle to either of them! Hughwithaview
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4:19pm Sun 25 May 14

barrie timpson says...

PM wrote:
barrie timpson wrote:
Even though Labour are adopting ukip policies........

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Sound familiar?
that's not a policy.
No it's not policy , it's a knee jerk reaction UKIP.

It soon will become part of their policies though.
[quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: Even though Labour are adopting ukip policies........ http://www.standard. co.uk/news/politics/ ed-miliband-warns-ro manian-and-bulgarian -influx-could-make-l abour-market-tougher -for-british-workers -9039812.html Sound familiar?[/p][/quote]that's not a policy.[/p][/quote]No it's not policy , it's a knee jerk reaction UKIP. It soon will become part of their policies though. barrie timpson
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7:07pm Wed 28 May 14

The Mon says...

chasmcn wrote:
PM wrote:
Sankey wrote:
barrie timpson wrote:
PM is a bitter old disillusioned socialist. He champions the minorities he likes , yet doesn't believe there should be a minority voice when he doesn't agree with it.
Christ , even his own son joined the army to get away from him.
If you are a bitter old socialist there is no better place to be than St. Helens a place in a time warp. He must thing he has landed in heaven a further labour majority running the council and the old class warrior Marie Rimmer back as MP.
Exactly Sankey, exactly ,couldn't be happier :D
I don't normally give tory tax exile billionaires the time of day but Lord Ashcroft conducted a poll of the marginal seats during the local and european elections and produced the results at a Conservative conference today predicting a Labour majority of 83 seats in 2015 ,so there are a lot of bitter old socialist wanting a Labour govt .
How could a socialist, bitter or otherwise, vote for New Labour?
[quote][p][bold]chasmcn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: PM is a bitter old disillusioned socialist. He champions the minorities he likes , yet doesn't believe there should be a minority voice when he doesn't agree with it. Christ , even his own son joined the army to get away from him.[/p][/quote]If you are a bitter old socialist there is no better place to be than St. Helens a place in a time warp. He must thing he has landed in heaven a further labour majority running the council and the old class warrior Marie Rimmer back as MP.[/p][/quote]Exactly Sankey, exactly ,couldn't be happier :D[/p][/quote]I don't normally give tory tax exile billionaires the time of day but Lord Ashcroft conducted a poll of the marginal seats during the local and european elections and produced the results at a Conservative conference today predicting a Labour majority of 83 seats in 2015 ,so there are a lot of bitter old socialist wanting a Labour govt .[/p][/quote]How could a socialist, bitter or otherwise, vote for New Labour? The Mon
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12:01pm Thu 29 May 14

Keva68 says...

I might vote for labour now they are mixing with the working class again in the police cells.They will just need to knock the champagne on the head and get arrested for being drunk and disorderly on a working mans drink.
I might vote for labour now they are mixing with the working class again in the police cells.They will just need to knock the champagne on the head and get arrested for being drunk and disorderly on a working mans drink. Keva68
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