Fresh concerns for Hope Academy after latest Ofsted visit

St Helens Star: Education Secretary Michael Gove, left, is pictured meeting Hope Academy leaders in 2012 Education Secretary Michael Gove, left, is pictured meeting Hope Academy leaders in 2012

THERE are mounting concerns about standards of education at a £33million academy following a further visit by Ofsted inspectors last week, the Star understands.

Hope Academy, in Newton-le-Willows, received its latest monitoring visit by watchdogs after an inspection last April ruled it “required improvement”.

Previous follow-up visits to the secondary school – which as an academy sits outside the control of St Helens Council – have found that progress was slow.

And it is understood it was last week’s visit that has prompted further concerns.

The Academy’s chair of governors Bart McGettrick responded “no comment” when contacted by the Star on Tuesday and asked about the findings of its most recent Ofsted visit.

A governors meeting was due to take place last night.

Ofsted says its reports can take four weeks until publication and that it cannot comment publically until then.

But teaching leaders are often given verbal reports after inspections and are told what to expect.

Hope was created following a merger between Newton High and St Aelreds Catholic secondary school. A new school was built and opened in the autumn of 2011. On its website the academy boasts it has some of the best facilities in Europe.

Speaking to the Star last year, academy principal John Gannon stressed the merger had brought with it historical issues from the former schools that would take time to resolve.

The academy is sponsored by the Catholic Archdiocese of Liverpool, the Church of England Diocese of Liverpool and Liverpool Hope University.

St Helens Council does not have control over the academy, however, given that it has a wider responsibility for education across the borough senior politicians are believed to be keeping a close eye on developments at Hope.

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2:58pm Thu 6 Mar 14

peterxu says...

Please do some research into the high suicide rate of children in the countries where they are pushed to succeed.....like Japan.
Our children do NOT exist for the benefit of the state....unlike China.
Our children do NOT exist for the benefit of the corporate machine.
I would rather have a happy child than a smart one.
If my kids grow up to nothing more than a road sweeper or a kitchen porter then as long as they are happy, I am happy.
Children are NOT an exam machine.
Take your high pressure teaching techniques and shove 'em where the sun don't shine.
Please do some research into the high suicide rate of children in the countries where they are pushed to succeed.....like Japan. Our children do NOT exist for the benefit of the state....unlike China. Our children do NOT exist for the benefit of the corporate machine. I would rather have a happy child than a smart one. If my kids grow up to nothing more than a road sweeper or a kitchen porter then as long as they are happy, I am happy. Children are NOT an exam machine. Take your high pressure teaching techniques and shove 'em where the sun don't shine. peterxu
  • Score: -9

4:28pm Thu 6 Mar 14

bigwilliam58 says...

It appears that the head teacher at this school has a lot to answer for.

St Aelred's was a successful school, and although Newton was failing I understand that the results have deteriorated overall. During his tenure, Mr Gannon has failed to improve standards (these are not due to historical issues, but are due to his policies). This is not a teaching problem, or a problem with staff; staff who were getting better results at predecessor schools now appear to be underperforming. One must ask the question - where does the fault for this lie? I do not think this is due to a "poor batch of students" or to the staff "suddenly getting worse" ... no, I think it is due to systematic mismanagement.
I have heard rumors that there is a climate of fear in the school and that at all levels have lost confidence in the competence of the head, with many of the staff unions threatening strike and legal action. I hope that the Star take up the baton and do some real investigative journalism to uncover the REAL story. At the moment, all we have are half-truth's, speculation, and misinformation.
The lack of swift action by the governors suggests that nothing will be done to remedy the problem with senior management. If that is the case, I suggest that the governors are no longer fit for purpose in holding the Head to account.
The children of Newton are suffering.
It appears that the head teacher at this school has a lot to answer for. St Aelred's was a successful school, and although Newton was failing I understand that the results have deteriorated overall. During his tenure, Mr Gannon has failed to improve standards (these are not due to historical issues, but are due to his policies). This is not a teaching problem, or a problem with staff; staff who were getting better results at predecessor schools now appear to be underperforming. One must ask the question - where does the fault for this lie? I do not think this is due to a "poor batch of students" or to the staff "suddenly getting worse" ... no, I think it is due to systematic mismanagement. I have heard rumors that there is a climate of fear in the school and that at all levels have lost confidence in the competence of the head, with many of the staff unions threatening strike and legal action. I hope that the Star take up the baton and do some real investigative journalism to uncover the REAL story. At the moment, all we have are half-truth's, speculation, and misinformation. The lack of swift action by the governors suggests that nothing will be done to remedy the problem with senior management. If that is the case, I suggest that the governors are no longer fit for purpose in holding the Head to account. The children of Newton are suffering. bigwilliam58
  • Score: 58

5:31pm Thu 6 Mar 14

bigwilliam58 says...

Why has the comment before mine been deleted? Is this censorship?
Why has the comment before mine been deleted? Is this censorship? bigwilliam58
  • Score: 10

10:08pm Thu 6 Mar 14

anthonywilson says...

The new inspection regime is a lot tougher than the previous one but this is no excuse for poor school performance.
The situation is really sad considering that before the merger St Aelred's High School was a good school and the GCSE results were always good and as far as I know always above the national average. Few people ever had a bad world to say about St Aelred's overall.
It is quite clear that the idea to merge Newton High School and St Aelred's together and create Hope Academy has been a costly mistake with the biggest cost of all not being the outlay of money, but the failure to offer a strong enough level of education to the children who attend. Young people only get one chance at school and if they don't achieve their potential it often takes years to rectify the damage if it is indeed rectified at all. In Newton-le-Willows the choice for parents has been considerably removed as a result of the merger. How many children have their life chances considerably affected by poor school performance and when young people underachieve? I have written before that It is also of concern that the current director of Children's Services in St Helens does not have an professional educational background from within the education sector itself. What action is actually being taken?
The new inspection regime is a lot tougher than the previous one but this is no excuse for poor school performance. The situation is really sad considering that before the merger St Aelred's High School was a good school and the GCSE results were always good and as far as I know always above the national average. Few people ever had a bad world to say about St Aelred's overall. It is quite clear that the idea to merge Newton High School and St Aelred's together and create Hope Academy has been a costly mistake with the biggest cost of all not being the outlay of money, but the failure to offer a strong enough level of education to the children who attend. Young people only get one chance at school and if they don't achieve their potential it often takes years to rectify the damage if it is indeed rectified at all. In Newton-le-Willows the choice for parents has been considerably removed as a result of the merger. How many children have their life chances considerably affected by poor school performance and when young people underachieve? I have written before that It is also of concern that the current director of Children's Services in St Helens does not have an professional educational background from within the education sector itself. What action is actually being taken? anthonywilson
  • Score: 41

12:21am Fri 7 Mar 14

Bill Bradbury says...

All I can say is that at every Governor and school forum I opposed Academisation only to be told that the LA had no options. Academies are not the silver bullet they claimed to be which the current national press are finding out, the Guardian Education of this week will confirm,- Plus every other educational journal.
I am on a Governing Body (not in this LA) that appears to be sleepwalking into one. Nobody listens but just go a long with the mantra of the day.
At the end of the day it's leadership and the quality of the teaching. Education is in a mess due to politics.
All I can say is that at every Governor and school forum I opposed Academisation only to be told that the LA had no options. Academies are not the silver bullet they claimed to be which the current national press are finding out, the Guardian Education of this week will confirm,- Plus every other educational journal. I am on a Governing Body (not in this LA) that appears to be sleepwalking into one. Nobody listens but just go a long with the mantra of the day. At the end of the day it's leadership and the quality of the teaching. Education is in a mess due to politics. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 37

4:54pm Fri 7 Mar 14

cantsaysorry says...

I go to Hope Academy myself and must say it is now where near as good as St Alreds and Newton High. I spent 1 year at newton and although it was not the best school it was 10x better then Hope. I agree with BigWilliam58, it is more the senior leadership (Mr Gannon) who is letting the school down. It seems that he is all about making the school "The Best" then looking after its pupils. At Newton High you could chat to the Head or just even say "Hello" but with Mr Gannon you can't. Someone i know wanted to speak to him and i was shocked at what they where told "If you want to speak to him you must make an appointment" if you can't talk to him at any time he isn't fit for the job. He walks down the hall way like the boss with out any consideration to pupils. After the last Ofstead report they have tried to improve the place but it seems that they just made it worse. They did inspections on teachers a while back and i could not believe what i head the next day. I was told by another teacher (a great one) that 3 teachers had left the Academy the day before, it turns out that Mr Gannon stormed in and removed the teachers in the middle of the lesson. Two of the teachers i think they made a good choice on but one of the was one of the best teachers in the school i had him for a year and he really helped me with my work and i know alot of other people enjoyed him too. This show that they clearly made a big mistake getting rid of him. I think that with the right person in charge this place can go right just like the Head did at Newton improved it very much. Another big concern of mine is the amount the supply teachers. In science i have had many teachers off and just before a major test more supplies. They moan when we don't do our best but how can we with many supplies. We had one what new what she was doing, she check our books and realized that in that part of science we was at least a month behind on work and being in the year we are i have finally decided that this is the time something needs doing!!!
I go to Hope Academy myself and must say it is now where near as good as St Alreds and Newton High. I spent 1 year at newton and although it was not the best school it was 10x better then Hope. I agree with BigWilliam58, it is more the senior leadership (Mr Gannon) who is letting the school down. It seems that he is all about making the school "The Best" then looking after its pupils. At Newton High you could chat to the Head or just even say "Hello" but with Mr Gannon you can't. Someone i know wanted to speak to him and i was shocked at what they where told "If you want to speak to him you must make an appointment" if you can't talk to him at any time he isn't fit for the job. He walks down the hall way like the boss with out any consideration to pupils. After the last Ofstead report they have tried to improve the place but it seems that they just made it worse. They did inspections on teachers a while back and i could not believe what i head the next day. I was told by another teacher (a great one) that 3 teachers had left the Academy the day before, it turns out that Mr Gannon stormed in and removed the teachers in the middle of the lesson. Two of the teachers i think they made a good choice on but one of the was one of the best teachers in the school i had him for a year and he really helped me with my work and i know alot of other people enjoyed him too. This show that they clearly made a big mistake getting rid of him. I think that with the right person in charge this place can go right just like the Head did at Newton improved it very much. Another big concern of mine is the amount the supply teachers. In science i have had many teachers off and just before a major test more supplies. They moan when we don't do our best but how can we with many supplies. We had one what new what she was doing, she check our books and realized that in that part of science we was at least a month behind on work and being in the year we are i have finally decided that this is the time something needs doing!!! cantsaysorry
  • Score: 67

2:02pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Bill Bradbury says...

I just feel sad and angry at the same time as I warned this school was not the solution, but money and a new school talked. If it was still under Local Authority control the advisory team (mainly now defunct) would be crawling all over it and a major examination of Governance, leadership and the quality of teaching. Aelreds was an excellent school, although from time to time it had some problems and Newton High in it's later years had problems.
Going over and regretting the past and and commenting won't solve this but I recall the boundary changes when we became Merseyside provided Selwyn Jones as it was called then a pupil lifeline which was hoped that Billinge and Seneley Green would fill especially with the closure of St.Albans, which St.Augustines would benefit but was only to a marginal extent. Catholic pupils went to St.Peters Orrell and others to Rainford, Upholland and Cowley. "Sellies" did not get the pupils in numbers and many went to Wigan schools on its border. Teaching was good in those days as was the leadership.
Something needs sorting as parents and pupils deserve better BUT Ofsted has moved the goalposts and has ratched it up as I have found at some cost and aggravation, so has, to a lesser degree, St.Augustines, De la Salle and Cuthberts who over the last year have been subject to some criticism by Ofsted, deserved or not. In my school's case not!!-- hence being forced down the Academy route by a DFE "consultant" who is on £1000/per day according to the Guardian report 6 weeks ago. Another battle I will face in April. As I wrote earlier Education has become a political battlefield.
I just feel sad and angry at the same time as I warned this school was not the solution, but money and a new school talked. If it was still under Local Authority control the advisory team (mainly now defunct) would be crawling all over it and a major examination of Governance, leadership and the quality of teaching. Aelreds was an excellent school, although from time to time it had some problems and Newton High in it's later years had problems. Going over and regretting the past and and commenting won't solve this but I recall the boundary changes when we became Merseyside provided Selwyn Jones as it was called then a pupil lifeline which was hoped that Billinge and Seneley Green would fill especially with the closure of St.Albans, which St.Augustines would benefit but was only to a marginal extent. Catholic pupils went to St.Peters Orrell and others to Rainford, Upholland and Cowley. "Sellies" did not get the pupils in numbers and many went to Wigan schools on its border. Teaching was good in those days as was the leadership. Something needs sorting as parents and pupils deserve better BUT Ofsted has moved the goalposts and has ratched it up as I have found at some cost and aggravation, so has, to a lesser degree, St.Augustines, De la Salle and Cuthberts who over the last year have been subject to some criticism by Ofsted, deserved or not. In my school's case not!!-- hence being forced down the Academy route by a DFE "consultant" who is on £1000/per day according to the Guardian report 6 weeks ago. Another battle I will face in April. As I wrote earlier Education has become a political battlefield. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 7

3:00pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Sankey says...

Ref Peterxu,s comments above about the thousands of children killing themselves like lemmings due to the pressures of homework and the classroom.

Spare a thought for the teachers having to work 6 months of the year and having to slog away until retirement at 50 on a paltry £25k per annum and lump sum. It's inhuman conditions that most of the population would find impossible to endure.
Ref Peterxu,s comments above about the thousands of children killing themselves like lemmings due to the pressures of homework and the classroom. Spare a thought for the teachers having to work 6 months of the year and having to slog away until retirement at 50 on a paltry £25k per annum and lump sum. It's inhuman conditions that most of the population would find impossible to endure. Sankey
  • Score: -20

6:16pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Sankey £25k per year? Just read an advert in the Mnachester Evening (Thurs.) news for a head of year on £21K and above another school advertising for a Burser at £50k. Yes the teachers are overpaid!!-I don't think.

Your comment shows total ignorance of the workload of teachers. Free week-ends are a joke!
Sankey £25k per year? Just read an advert in the Mnachester Evening (Thurs.) news for a head of year on £21K and above another school advertising for a Burser at £50k. Yes the teachers are overpaid!!-I don't think. Your comment shows total ignorance of the workload of teachers. Free week-ends are a joke! Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 9

8:50pm Sat 8 Mar 14

annie1275 says...

cantsaysorry wrote:
I go to Hope Academy myself and must say it is now where near as good as St Alreds and Newton High. I spent 1 year at newton and although it was not the best school it was 10x better then Hope. I agree with BigWilliam58, it is more the senior leadership (Mr Gannon) who is letting the school down. It seems that he is all about making the school "The Best" then looking after its pupils. At Newton High you could chat to the Head or just even say "Hello" but with Mr Gannon you can't. Someone i know wanted to speak to him and i was shocked at what they where told "If you want to speak to him you must make an appointment" if you can't talk to him at any time he isn't fit for the job. He walks down the hall way like the boss with out any consideration to pupils. After the last Ofstead report they have tried to improve the place but it seems that they just made it worse. They did inspections on teachers a while back and i could not believe what i head the next day. I was told by another teacher (a great one) that 3 teachers had left the Academy the day before, it turns out that Mr Gannon stormed in and removed the teachers in the middle of the lesson. Two of the teachers i think they made a good choice on but one of the was one of the best teachers in the school i had him for a year and he really helped me with my work and i know alot of other people enjoyed him too. This show that they clearly made a big mistake getting rid of him. I think that with the right person in charge this place can go right just like the Head did at Newton improved it very much. Another big concern of mine is the amount the supply teachers. In science i have had many teachers off and just before a major test more supplies. They moan when we don't do our best but how can we with many supplies. We had one what new what she was doing, she check our books and realized that in that part of science we was at least a month behind on work and being in the year we are i have finally decided that this is the time something needs doing!!!
I agree cantsaysorry,you should be able to go to a head without an appointment...Sounds like maybe the teachers are not happy with Mr Gannon and the way things are being run,and its showing in the way they are teaching....Any idea why they got rid of the 3 teachers?....Having supply teachers all the time is no good at all for the pupils,as clearly the pupils are falling behind...certainly hope it improves soon.
[quote][p][bold]cantsaysorry[/bold] wrote: I go to Hope Academy myself and must say it is now where near as good as St Alreds and Newton High. I spent 1 year at newton and although it was not the best school it was 10x better then Hope. I agree with BigWilliam58, it is more the senior leadership (Mr Gannon) who is letting the school down. It seems that he is all about making the school "The Best" then looking after its pupils. At Newton High you could chat to the Head or just even say "Hello" but with Mr Gannon you can't. Someone i know wanted to speak to him and i was shocked at what they where told "If you want to speak to him you must make an appointment" if you can't talk to him at any time he isn't fit for the job. He walks down the hall way like the boss with out any consideration to pupils. After the last Ofstead report they have tried to improve the place but it seems that they just made it worse. They did inspections on teachers a while back and i could not believe what i head the next day. I was told by another teacher (a great one) that 3 teachers had left the Academy the day before, it turns out that Mr Gannon stormed in and removed the teachers in the middle of the lesson. Two of the teachers i think they made a good choice on but one of the was one of the best teachers in the school i had him for a year and he really helped me with my work and i know alot of other people enjoyed him too. This show that they clearly made a big mistake getting rid of him. I think that with the right person in charge this place can go right just like the Head did at Newton improved it very much. Another big concern of mine is the amount the supply teachers. In science i have had many teachers off and just before a major test more supplies. They moan when we don't do our best but how can we with many supplies. We had one what new what she was doing, she check our books and realized that in that part of science we was at least a month behind on work and being in the year we are i have finally decided that this is the time something needs doing!!![/p][/quote]I agree cantsaysorry,you should be able to go to a head without an appointment...Sounds like maybe the teachers are not happy with Mr Gannon and the way things are being run,and its showing in the way they are teaching....Any idea why they got rid of the 3 teachers?....Having supply teachers all the time is no good at all for the pupils,as clearly the pupils are falling behind...certainly hope it improves soon. annie1275
  • Score: 21

10:31pm Sat 8 Mar 14

logunner says...

The quickest way to resolving the problem is to remove the bully.... Gannon out!
The quickest way to resolving the problem is to remove the bully.... Gannon out! logunner
  • Score: 32

2:44am Sun 9 Mar 14

gelly02 says...

Im a pupil at hope. We did a walk out when the three teachers got sacked. Loads of us walked out of lessons in protest at their sackin n Sat outside. Somethin has to be done about gannon to many gud teachers are leavin or gettin sacked and hes well rubbish with us kids
Im a pupil at hope. We did a walk out when the three teachers got sacked. Loads of us walked out of lessons in protest at their sackin n Sat outside. Somethin has to be done about gannon to many gud teachers are leavin or gettin sacked and hes well rubbish with us kids gelly02
  • Score: 22

9:54am Sun 9 Mar 14

voiceod says...

Sankey as it seems you have such a deluded view of the teaching profession may I offer you some facts rather than your completely wrong view of teaching.

My wife is a teacher, a very good.one. Ok so let me address your comment regarding six months a year - does your child only receive an education from September until March? Right, firstly teaching is a vocation and not a job let me lay down some facts for you.

Teachers don't start work five minutes before your child starts their lessons they start before 8am.

Teachers don't leave school when your child does. With marking, meetings and training most teachers struggle to leave before 5.30 to 6pm.

Teachers don't get breaks and rarely have the opportunity to.stuff a.sandwich down them at.lunchtime.

So having done 10 hours standing on their feet trying absolutely everything they can to assist your child to better themselves by increasing their knowledge and hopefully enabling them to get a decent job they then come home. They put the kettle on put their feet up and watch coronation street. Is that what you think? No that's not what happens there is big rush to get dishes washed whilst tea is.cooking because there was no time to wash them after tea last night. Your own children are telling you about their day and their problems or successes at school. Once you've wolfed down a quickly prepared.pasta dish it's 8pm. Your own children are almost ready for bed but need to do their homework and have a bath. Kids are now settled in bed it's around 9.30pm time to relax right? That new bbc drama looks good right? That DVD you got last Christmas that you haven't seen yet looks good? (Your husband reminds you that it wasn't last Christmas it was two years ago. This year he didn't buy you one because you didn't get chance to watch it) no!.now it's time to plan lessons and make resources for those lessons (this is the equivalent of a bricklayer laying bricks for ten hours and then going home and.making their own bricks and not being paid for it. Teachers don't complain about this until some knowledgeable person like you tells them they work six months a year.

So after working ten hours at work and finally getting your child's lessons prepared.for the next day it's now midnight at the earliest. I'll bring you to weekends in a moment.... but ten hours at school then at least three hours a night (unpaid) now I don't know your profession Sankey but the feeling I get from your post is you wouldn't offer your services for five to eight hours a day extra for free.would you? No I didn't think so you're far too busy reading the headlines in the daily star (stories probably a little too.complex and forming your own educated opportunity opinion on something well you need to be Einstein for that)

Weekends - they're free time to enjoy yourself aren't they? Tell that to my wife and more so my children. My children often start their weekends with disappointment "are we doing anything this weekend" their mum replies "sorry kids I have to get my marking done my books could be scrutinized at any point and if they're not marked.I'll be in trouble" a tear in her eye and pain etched.all over her face. "What about when that is finished mummy?" More liquid lubricates my wife's eyes as she opens her mouth and for a second she is so choked she can't speak "then I need to get planning done for next week which needs to cater for thirty individuals offering differentiation for their levels, behavioural and or communication difficulties.

So Sankey next time you have a cheap pop at teachers think - they're probably Sat somewhere tearing their hair out producing a lesson from scratch to.an outstanding level for your child, whilst their own children are stuck with a DVD.

Pension? Hahaha please read into why teachers have taken strike action recently - don't get your information from the daily star. No lump sum pensions for teachers anymore and for people who have been paying something for a long time the goal posts have been moved on them and they won't get what they signed up for.

Sankey one thing you said was quite.correct. The majority of the.population would find those inhumane conditions impossible to.endure.
Sankey as it seems you have such a deluded view of the teaching profession may I offer you some facts rather than your completely wrong view of teaching. My wife is a teacher, a very good.one. Ok so let me address your comment regarding six months a year - does your child only receive an education from September until March? Right, firstly teaching is a vocation and not a job let me lay down some facts for you. Teachers don't start work five minutes before your child starts their lessons they start before 8am. Teachers don't leave school when your child does. With marking, meetings and training most teachers struggle to leave before 5.30 to 6pm. Teachers don't get breaks and rarely have the opportunity to.stuff a.sandwich down them at.lunchtime. So having done 10 hours standing on their feet trying absolutely everything they can to assist your child to better themselves by increasing their knowledge and hopefully enabling them to get a decent job they then come home. They put the kettle on put their feet up and watch coronation street. Is that what you think? No that's not what happens there is big rush to get dishes washed whilst tea is.cooking because there was no time to wash them after tea last night. Your own children are telling you about their day and their problems or successes at school. Once you've wolfed down a quickly prepared.pasta dish it's 8pm. Your own children are almost ready for bed but need to do their homework and have a bath. Kids are now settled in bed it's around 9.30pm time to relax right? That new bbc drama looks good right? That DVD you got last Christmas that you haven't seen yet looks good? (Your husband reminds you that it wasn't last Christmas it was two years ago. This year he didn't buy you one because you didn't get chance to watch it) no!.now it's time to plan lessons and make resources for those lessons (this is the equivalent of a bricklayer laying bricks for ten hours and then going home and.making their own bricks and not being paid for it. Teachers don't complain about this until some knowledgeable person like you tells them they work six months a year. So after working ten hours at work and finally getting your child's lessons prepared.for the next day it's now midnight at the earliest. I'll bring you to weekends in a moment.... but ten hours at school then at least three hours a night (unpaid) now I don't know your profession Sankey but the feeling I get from your post is you wouldn't offer your services for five to eight hours a day extra for free.would you? No I didn't think so you're far too busy reading the headlines in the daily star (stories probably a little too.complex and forming your own educated opportunity opinion on something well you need to be Einstein for that) Weekends - they're free time to enjoy yourself aren't they? Tell that to my wife and more so my children. My children often start their weekends with disappointment "are we doing anything this weekend" their mum replies "sorry kids I have to get my marking done my books could be scrutinized at any point and if they're not marked.I'll be in trouble" a tear in her eye and pain etched.all over her face. "What about when that is finished mummy?" More liquid lubricates my wife's eyes as she opens her mouth and for a second she is so choked she can't speak "then I need to get planning done for next week which needs to cater for thirty individuals offering differentiation for their levels, behavioural and or communication difficulties. So Sankey next time you have a cheap pop at teachers think - they're probably Sat somewhere tearing their hair out producing a lesson from scratch to.an outstanding level for your child, whilst their own children are stuck with a DVD. Pension? Hahaha please read into why teachers have taken strike action recently - don't get your information from the daily star. No lump sum pensions for teachers anymore and for people who have been paying something for a long time the goal posts have been moved on them and they won't get what they signed up for. Sankey one thing you said was quite.correct. The majority of the.population would find those inhumane conditions impossible to.endure. voiceod
  • Score: 17

10:13am Sun 9 Mar 14

gelly02 says...

Our voice needs to b heard. We ave Gud teachers at hope but a rubbish principal. I think we should have another walk out to tell everyone we want gannon gone he's broken the spirit of da school Newton was well betta with a betta principal.
Our voice needs to b heard. We ave Gud teachers at hope but a rubbish principal. I think we should have another walk out to tell everyone we want gannon gone he's broken the spirit of da school Newton was well betta with a betta principal. gelly02
  • Score: 17

11:26am Sun 9 Mar 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Voiceod-Sankey has been anti teacher on this site for years as all public sector workers. Your wife is to get a "gold plated" pension according to him!! I Agree with everything you have written as I witness that scenario on every Governing Body I am on (4) AND your wife will have to work until she is 70-if she lives that long due to the stress of teaching, bad enough when young but in her 60's when even I began to struggle.
As an ex union Official I have known too many teachers due to the love of the job carry on to 65 then die weeks or months later. Perhaps that is why the Tory Government wants teachers to work so long so as not to pay out pensions.
Voiceod-Sankey has been anti teacher on this site for years as all public sector workers. Your wife is to get a "gold plated" pension according to him!! I Agree with everything you have written as I witness that scenario on every Governing Body I am on (4) AND your wife will have to work until she is 70-if she lives that long due to the stress of teaching, bad enough when young but in her 60's when even I began to struggle. As an ex union Official I have known too many teachers due to the love of the job carry on to 65 then die weeks or months later. Perhaps that is why the Tory Government wants teachers to work so long so as not to pay out pensions. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 8

11:53am Sun 9 Mar 14

Sankey says...

voiceod wrote:
Sankey as it seems you have such a deluded view of the teaching profession may I offer you some facts rather than your completely wrong view of teaching.

My wife is a teacher, a very good.one. Ok so let me address your comment regarding six months a year - does your child only receive an education from September until March? Right, firstly teaching is a vocation and not a job let me lay down some facts for you.

Teachers don't start work five minutes before your child starts their lessons they start before 8am.

Teachers don't leave school when your child does. With marking, meetings and training most teachers struggle to leave before 5.30 to 6pm.

Teachers don't get breaks and rarely have the opportunity to.stuff a.sandwich down them at.lunchtime.

So having done 10 hours standing on their feet trying absolutely everything they can to assist your child to better themselves by increasing their knowledge and hopefully enabling them to get a decent job they then come home. They put the kettle on put their feet up and watch coronation street. Is that what you think? No that's not what happens there is big rush to get dishes washed whilst tea is.cooking because there was no time to wash them after tea last night. Your own children are telling you about their day and their problems or successes at school. Once you've wolfed down a quickly prepared.pasta dish it's 8pm. Your own children are almost ready for bed but need to do their homework and have a bath. Kids are now settled in bed it's around 9.30pm time to relax right? That new bbc drama looks good right? That DVD you got last Christmas that you haven't seen yet looks good? (Your husband reminds you that it wasn't last Christmas it was two years ago. This year he didn't buy you one because you didn't get chance to watch it) no!.now it's time to plan lessons and make resources for those lessons (this is the equivalent of a bricklayer laying bricks for ten hours and then going home and.making their own bricks and not being paid for it. Teachers don't complain about this until some knowledgeable person like you tells them they work six months a year.

So after working ten hours at work and finally getting your child's lessons prepared.for the next day it's now midnight at the earliest. I'll bring you to weekends in a moment.... but ten hours at school then at least three hours a night (unpaid) now I don't know your profession Sankey but the feeling I get from your post is you wouldn't offer your services for five to eight hours a day extra for free.would you? No I didn't think so you're far too busy reading the headlines in the daily star (stories probably a little too.complex and forming your own educated opportunity opinion on something well you need to be Einstein for that)

Weekends - they're free time to enjoy yourself aren't they? Tell that to my wife and more so my children. My children often start their weekends with disappointment "are we doing anything this weekend" their mum replies "sorry kids I have to get my marking done my books could be scrutinized at any point and if they're not marked.I'll be in trouble" a tear in her eye and pain etched.all over her face. "What about when that is finished mummy?" More liquid lubricates my wife's eyes as she opens her mouth and for a second she is so choked she can't speak "then I need to get planning done for next week which needs to cater for thirty individuals offering differentiation for their levels, behavioural and or communication difficulties.

So Sankey next time you have a cheap pop at teachers think - they're probably Sat somewhere tearing their hair out producing a lesson from scratch to.an outstanding level for your child, whilst their own children are stuck with a DVD.

Pension? Hahaha please read into why teachers have taken strike action recently - don't get your information from the daily star. No lump sum pensions for teachers anymore and for people who have been paying something for a long time the goal posts have been moved on them and they won't get what they signed up for.

Sankey one thing you said was quite.correct. The majority of the.population would find those inhumane conditions impossible to.endure.
I was just winding Bradbury up
[quote][p][bold]voiceod[/bold] wrote: Sankey as it seems you have such a deluded view of the teaching profession may I offer you some facts rather than your completely wrong view of teaching. My wife is a teacher, a very good.one. Ok so let me address your comment regarding six months a year - does your child only receive an education from September until March? Right, firstly teaching is a vocation and not a job let me lay down some facts for you. Teachers don't start work five minutes before your child starts their lessons they start before 8am. Teachers don't leave school when your child does. With marking, meetings and training most teachers struggle to leave before 5.30 to 6pm. Teachers don't get breaks and rarely have the opportunity to.stuff a.sandwich down them at.lunchtime. So having done 10 hours standing on their feet trying absolutely everything they can to assist your child to better themselves by increasing their knowledge and hopefully enabling them to get a decent job they then come home. They put the kettle on put their feet up and watch coronation street. Is that what you think? No that's not what happens there is big rush to get dishes washed whilst tea is.cooking because there was no time to wash them after tea last night. Your own children are telling you about their day and their problems or successes at school. Once you've wolfed down a quickly prepared.pasta dish it's 8pm. Your own children are almost ready for bed but need to do their homework and have a bath. Kids are now settled in bed it's around 9.30pm time to relax right? That new bbc drama looks good right? That DVD you got last Christmas that you haven't seen yet looks good? (Your husband reminds you that it wasn't last Christmas it was two years ago. This year he didn't buy you one because you didn't get chance to watch it) no!.now it's time to plan lessons and make resources for those lessons (this is the equivalent of a bricklayer laying bricks for ten hours and then going home and.making their own bricks and not being paid for it. Teachers don't complain about this until some knowledgeable person like you tells them they work six months a year. So after working ten hours at work and finally getting your child's lessons prepared.for the next day it's now midnight at the earliest. I'll bring you to weekends in a moment.... but ten hours at school then at least three hours a night (unpaid) now I don't know your profession Sankey but the feeling I get from your post is you wouldn't offer your services for five to eight hours a day extra for free.would you? No I didn't think so you're far too busy reading the headlines in the daily star (stories probably a little too.complex and forming your own educated opportunity opinion on something well you need to be Einstein for that) Weekends - they're free time to enjoy yourself aren't they? Tell that to my wife and more so my children. My children often start their weekends with disappointment "are we doing anything this weekend" their mum replies "sorry kids I have to get my marking done my books could be scrutinized at any point and if they're not marked.I'll be in trouble" a tear in her eye and pain etched.all over her face. "What about when that is finished mummy?" More liquid lubricates my wife's eyes as she opens her mouth and for a second she is so choked she can't speak "then I need to get planning done for next week which needs to cater for thirty individuals offering differentiation for their levels, behavioural and or communication difficulties. So Sankey next time you have a cheap pop at teachers think - they're probably Sat somewhere tearing their hair out producing a lesson from scratch to.an outstanding level for your child, whilst their own children are stuck with a DVD. Pension? Hahaha please read into why teachers have taken strike action recently - don't get your information from the daily star. No lump sum pensions for teachers anymore and for people who have been paying something for a long time the goal posts have been moved on them and they won't get what they signed up for. Sankey one thing you said was quite.correct. The majority of the.population would find those inhumane conditions impossible to.endure.[/p][/quote]I was just winding Bradbury up Sankey
  • Score: -13

12:27pm Sun 9 Mar 14

voiceod says...

Sankey, the priority of this thread should be the well being and learning of
the pupils at Hope Academy. Let us not forget there are over a thousand pupils at this school and it seems from the cross section of this thread who can't talk to their head teacher and have walked out of lessons (further damaging their education) as a result of what they see as poor leadership. What powers do local authorities have over an academy? Surely they must have some measures to deal with what I'm reading?
Sankey, the priority of this thread should be the well being and learning of the pupils at Hope Academy. Let us not forget there are over a thousand pupils at this school and it seems from the cross section of this thread who can't talk to their head teacher and have walked out of lessons (further damaging their education) as a result of what they see as poor leadership. What powers do local authorities have over an academy? Surely they must have some measures to deal with what I'm reading? voiceod
  • Score: 13

1:29pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Sankey says...

voiceod wrote:
Sankey, the priority of this thread should be the well being and learning of
the pupils at Hope Academy. Let us not forget there are over a thousand pupils at this school and it seems from the cross section of this thread who can't talk to their head teacher and have walked out of lessons (further damaging their education) as a result of what they see as poor leadership. What powers do local authorities have over an academy? Surely they must have some measures to deal with what I'm reading?
Without knowing the detail its hard to judge the head might be displaying bad leadership or good.

Being nice to everyone and giving them what they want all the time is not necessarily good leadership on the other hand he might be a tyrant.

I suppose the proof is in the results and the pupils education that does not meet standards within the timescles off he goes but he may just be trying to restore order out of past chaos I don't know. I do remember this school being in the news a year ago about a very bad report into standards.
[quote][p][bold]voiceod[/bold] wrote: Sankey, the priority of this thread should be the well being and learning of the pupils at Hope Academy. Let us not forget there are over a thousand pupils at this school and it seems from the cross section of this thread who can't talk to their head teacher and have walked out of lessons (further damaging their education) as a result of what they see as poor leadership. What powers do local authorities have over an academy? Surely they must have some measures to deal with what I'm reading?[/p][/quote]Without knowing the detail its hard to judge the head might be displaying bad leadership or good. Being nice to everyone and giving them what they want all the time is not necessarily good leadership on the other hand he might be a tyrant. I suppose the proof is in the results and the pupils education that does not meet standards within the timescles off he goes but he may just be trying to restore order out of past chaos I don't know. I do remember this school being in the news a year ago about a very bad report into standards. Sankey
  • Score: -10

4:06pm Sun 9 Mar 14

voiceod says...

Sankey, judging from the comments above the two schools merged were outperforming the current academy. I am only speculating based on the above comments but teachers don't just drop in their performance because of new surroundings. A leader isn't always going to be liked, but the comments above
relating to fear and the children being unable to approach the head all point to poor leadership. I've never heard of kids walking out of lessons in protest at the way teachers have been treated, have you? In todays society of acceptance and the feeling that nothing can be done a collective of pupils felt so strongly that they walked out of lessons to get their point across.

Every issue in the school isnt going to be of the heads doing but by the old saying of there is no smoke without fire it would suggest that the head may be responsible for the vast majority of it and certainly has some very serious questions to answer. One does fear that those questions are not being asked and due to this are also not being answered.
Sankey, judging from the comments above the two schools merged were outperforming the current academy. I am only speculating based on the above comments but teachers don't just drop in their performance because of new surroundings. A leader isn't always going to be liked, but the comments above relating to fear and the children being unable to approach the head all point to poor leadership. I've never heard of kids walking out of lessons in protest at the way teachers have been treated, have you? In todays society of acceptance and the feeling that nothing can be done a collective of pupils felt so strongly that they walked out of lessons to get their point across. Every issue in the school isnt going to be of the heads doing but by the old saying of there is no smoke without fire it would suggest that the head may be responsible for the vast majority of it and certainly has some very serious questions to answer. One does fear that those questions are not being asked and due to this are also not being answered. voiceod
  • Score: 14

5:27pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Sankey says...

Yes but you are basing all your judgement on a few comments on an Internet forum you have no idea who those people are or how accurate their comments. I am not defending the head by the way but it would be good to hear his side of the story
Yes but you are basing all your judgement on a few comments on an Internet forum you have no idea who those people are or how accurate their comments. I am not defending the head by the way but it would be good to hear his side of the story Sankey
  • Score: -7

6:39pm Sun 9 Mar 14

voiceod says...

I agree, let him tell it. My point is good leaders are respected not liked but respected. If pupils can't talk directly to their head teacher then that is a massive, massive problem, not to mention the other things mentioned. To blame 'historic' problems from the old schools as I read in an article on this website doesn't wash with me. I don't know this head but I've never seen comments like this about a headteacher who is admired and respected. Admiration and respect is earned through the work you do with your peers and the school stakeholders not just a job title. No comment from the chair of governers when asked about it? There should at least be an attempt on their behalf to create some positive press around this, but perhaps there just isn't any to be generated. I'm just glad my wife works in a primary school as the younger schools are more community orientated. Afterall a school should be part of the community.
I agree, let him tell it. My point is good leaders are respected not liked but respected. If pupils can't talk directly to their head teacher then that is a massive, massive problem, not to mention the other things mentioned. To blame 'historic' problems from the old schools as I read in an article on this website doesn't wash with me. I don't know this head but I've never seen comments like this about a headteacher who is admired and respected. Admiration and respect is earned through the work you do with your peers and the school stakeholders not just a job title. No comment from the chair of governers when asked about it? There should at least be an attempt on their behalf to create some positive press around this, but perhaps there just isn't any to be generated. I'm just glad my wife works in a primary school as the younger schools are more community orientated. Afterall a school should be part of the community. voiceod
  • Score: 10

7:24pm Sun 9 Mar 14

M_Addams says...

Can we please stop this pathetic 'back and forth' with Sankey, if he doesn't have a child at the school or any connection to it he should really go and troll elsewhere. Young peoples education is at stake here and it needs discussing properly not via petty 'tit for tat' exchanges.

I know from experience that the Mr Gannon the Principal at Hope and the assistants he surrounds himself with are to blame for the continuing poor performance at the school. I know that other schools in the area such as Cansfield and Byrchall are seeing a large amount of requests for, and pupils moving to their schools from Hope. With inadequate standards through poor leadership being sighted.

It seems Mr Gannon is rarely in the building and when he is the staff are that terrified of his outbursts of aggression that moral plummets, ironic that the previous Ofsted sighted bullying as a major problem at the school, seems it comes from the top. There is also a blame culture within the school, nobody is stepping up to the mark, last time it was the changing nature of the use of the word gay that was responsible for the homophobic bullying reports, now its the troubles from the previous schools stopping the place moving forward.

The evidence from the students show that Mr Gannon simply responds to problems with aggression, sacking staff instead of inspiring them scaring children instead of nurturing them. It seems Mr Gannon is more interested in how he is perceived by his peers than how children and staff under his charge perform.

It's high time the parents, the sponsors, and the woeful governors stepped up and took charge before a situation like the one at Christ The King in Knowsley happens at Hope. This leadership has failed and Principal Gannon and those directly under him should be removed before he leaves a real legacy of failure with disastrous consequences. He cannot be allowed to use his silver tongue or dominance to get yet another 'Get out of jail free' card.

Failing that the council need to step in.

This school and it's facilities should be a real cornerstone of the community, something new and successful for the area to take pride in. Under Mr Gannon it's fast becoming a pariah, and could easily become a 33million pound right off, he is out of his depth, and he knows it his outbursts are a sign of this, for heavens sake he's a Principal and he can't even speak with a child, a leader that can't lead.

The first step in turning this failing academy around, is the removal of the leadership.
Can we please stop this pathetic 'back and forth' with Sankey, if he doesn't have a child at the school or any connection to it he should really go and troll elsewhere. Young peoples education is at stake here and it needs discussing properly not via petty 'tit for tat' exchanges. I know from experience that the Mr Gannon the Principal at Hope and the assistants he surrounds himself with are to blame for the continuing poor performance at the school. I know that other schools in the area such as Cansfield and Byrchall are seeing a large amount of requests for, and pupils moving to their schools from Hope. With inadequate standards through poor leadership being sighted. It seems Mr Gannon is rarely in the building and when he is the staff are that terrified of his outbursts of aggression that moral plummets, ironic that the previous Ofsted sighted bullying as a major problem at the school, seems it comes from the top. There is also a blame culture within the school, nobody is stepping up to the mark, last time it was the changing nature of the use of the word gay that was responsible for the homophobic bullying reports, now its the troubles from the previous schools stopping the place moving forward. The evidence from the students show that Mr Gannon simply responds to problems with aggression, sacking staff instead of inspiring them scaring children instead of nurturing them. It seems Mr Gannon is more interested in how he is perceived by his peers than how children and staff under his charge perform. It's high time the parents, the sponsors, and the woeful governors stepped up and took charge before a situation like the one at Christ The King in Knowsley happens at Hope. This leadership has failed and Principal Gannon and those directly under him should be removed before he leaves a real legacy of failure with disastrous consequences. He cannot be allowed to use his silver tongue or dominance to get yet another 'Get out of jail free' card. Failing that the council need to step in. This school and it's facilities should be a real cornerstone of the community, something new and successful for the area to take pride in. Under Mr Gannon it's fast becoming a pariah, and could easily become a 33million pound right off, he is out of his depth, and he knows it his outbursts are a sign of this, for heavens sake he's a Principal and he can't even speak with a child, a leader that can't lead. The first step in turning this failing academy around, is the removal of the leadership. M_Addams
  • Score: 38

9:19pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Sankey says...

M_Addams wrote:
Can we please stop this pathetic 'back and forth' with Sankey, if he doesn't have a child at the school or any connection to it he should really go and troll elsewhere. Young peoples education is at stake here and it needs discussing properly not via petty 'tit for tat' exchanges.

I know from experience that the Mr Gannon the Principal at Hope and the assistants he surrounds himself with are to blame for the continuing poor performance at the school. I know that other schools in the area such as Cansfield and Byrchall are seeing a large amount of requests for, and pupils moving to their schools from Hope. With inadequate standards through poor leadership being sighted.

It seems Mr Gannon is rarely in the building and when he is the staff are that terrified of his outbursts of aggression that moral plummets, ironic that the previous Ofsted sighted bullying as a major problem at the school, seems it comes from the top. There is also a blame culture within the school, nobody is stepping up to the mark, last time it was the changing nature of the use of the word gay that was responsible for the homophobic bullying reports, now its the troubles from the previous schools stopping the place moving forward.

The evidence from the students show that Mr Gannon simply responds to problems with aggression, sacking staff instead of inspiring them scaring children instead of nurturing them. It seems Mr Gannon is more interested in how he is perceived by his peers than how children and staff under his charge perform.

It's high time the parents, the sponsors, and the woeful governors stepped up and took charge before a situation like the one at Christ The King in Knowsley happens at Hope. This leadership has failed and Principal Gannon and those directly under him should be removed before he leaves a real legacy of failure with disastrous consequences. He cannot be allowed to use his silver tongue or dominance to get yet another 'Get out of jail free' card.

Failing that the council need to step in.

This school and it's facilities should be a real cornerstone of the community, something new and successful for the area to take pride in. Under Mr Gannon it's fast becoming a pariah, and could easily become a 33million pound right off, he is out of his depth, and he knows it his outbursts are a sign of this, for heavens sake he's a Principal and he can't even speak with a child, a leader that can't lead.

The first step in turning this failing academy around, is the removal of the leadership.
The more I hear of mr gannon the more I like him. Sounds like he is shaking a few up and given the report last year and the general state of the school sounds like its needed.

As for the troll comments and the right to an alternative point of vew this is a public forum and your prior permission is not needed to comment.

So without wishing to be impolite.....

Do one
[quote][p][bold]M_Addams[/bold] wrote: Can we please stop this pathetic 'back and forth' with Sankey, if he doesn't have a child at the school or any connection to it he should really go and troll elsewhere. Young peoples education is at stake here and it needs discussing properly not via petty 'tit for tat' exchanges. I know from experience that the Mr Gannon the Principal at Hope and the assistants he surrounds himself with are to blame for the continuing poor performance at the school. I know that other schools in the area such as Cansfield and Byrchall are seeing a large amount of requests for, and pupils moving to their schools from Hope. With inadequate standards through poor leadership being sighted. It seems Mr Gannon is rarely in the building and when he is the staff are that terrified of his outbursts of aggression that moral plummets, ironic that the previous Ofsted sighted bullying as a major problem at the school, seems it comes from the top. There is also a blame culture within the school, nobody is stepping up to the mark, last time it was the changing nature of the use of the word gay that was responsible for the homophobic bullying reports, now its the troubles from the previous schools stopping the place moving forward. The evidence from the students show that Mr Gannon simply responds to problems with aggression, sacking staff instead of inspiring them scaring children instead of nurturing them. It seems Mr Gannon is more interested in how he is perceived by his peers than how children and staff under his charge perform. It's high time the parents, the sponsors, and the woeful governors stepped up and took charge before a situation like the one at Christ The King in Knowsley happens at Hope. This leadership has failed and Principal Gannon and those directly under him should be removed before he leaves a real legacy of failure with disastrous consequences. He cannot be allowed to use his silver tongue or dominance to get yet another 'Get out of jail free' card. Failing that the council need to step in. This school and it's facilities should be a real cornerstone of the community, something new and successful for the area to take pride in. Under Mr Gannon it's fast becoming a pariah, and could easily become a 33million pound right off, he is out of his depth, and he knows it his outbursts are a sign of this, for heavens sake he's a Principal and he can't even speak with a child, a leader that can't lead. The first step in turning this failing academy around, is the removal of the leadership.[/p][/quote]The more I hear of mr gannon the more I like him. Sounds like he is shaking a few up and given the report last year and the general state of the school sounds like its needed. As for the troll comments and the right to an alternative point of vew this is a public forum and your prior permission is not needed to comment. So without wishing to be impolite..... Do one Sankey
  • Score: -18

9:39pm Sun 9 Mar 14

M_Addams says...

Troll away then Sankey, it's your 'right'. He isn't "shaking things up" he's been in charge since the beginning and has failed utterly in the task set for him. Things do need shaking up, just not by Principal Gannon.

I won't be 'doing one' as this subject is important and close to me, not just an opportunity to try and antagonise other posters.

I'm glad you like him though, having an obtuse contrarian troll like you in his corner won't do him any favours.

Bullies eh? Birds of a feather it seems.
Troll away then Sankey, it's your 'right'. He isn't "shaking things up" he's been in charge since the beginning and has failed utterly in the task set for him. Things do need shaking up, just not by Principal Gannon. I won't be 'doing one' as this subject is important and close to me, not just an opportunity to try and antagonise other posters. I'm glad you like him though, having an obtuse contrarian troll like you in his corner won't do him any favours. Bullies eh? Birds of a feather it seems. M_Addams
  • Score: 14

11:37pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Sankey says that he does not know who the commentators are on this site but he knows me and my educational background, still an active member of a teacher union and who takes the minutes, so I know where the bodies are!! The comments on the leadership above are pertinent for it is an Ofsted and an Academy performance criteria as I have in my possesion a Hansard transcript on the Academy leaders' views. (Select Committee 5th.February 2014)
As I warned at various committees over the years that Academisation is not the "silver bullet" to improve performance and now parents are seeing the consequence of a school with problems when they could have looked to the Local Authority to take control. The ball now is in the hands of the sponsors how they resolve it,, Hope Univ. and the RC and CE diocise or even that Gove could intervene as it is now his school.

We have read about school sponsors being sacked/replaced on the national scene for underperformance.
Confidentiality prevents me from commenting on actual events and problems at the school via privileged information which should be left to those who are officially elected and who represent all parties professionally, Senior management, teachers and Governors. I hope action is taken as the pupils and education deserves better. What the action will be we will see in due course. Gove has the power to put in its own Governors and leadership if all else fails.
Sankey says that he does not know who the commentators are on this site but he knows me and my educational background, still an active member of a teacher union and who takes the minutes, so I know where the bodies are!! The comments on the leadership above are pertinent for it is an Ofsted and an Academy performance criteria as I have in my possesion a Hansard transcript on the Academy leaders' views. (Select Committee 5th.February 2014) As I warned at various committees over the years that Academisation is not the "silver bullet" to improve performance and now parents are seeing the consequence of a school with problems when they could have looked to the Local Authority to take control. The ball now is in the hands of the sponsors how they resolve it,, Hope Univ. and the RC and CE diocise or even that Gove could intervene as it is now his school. We have read about school sponsors being sacked/replaced on the national scene for underperformance. Confidentiality prevents me from commenting on actual events and problems at the school via privileged information which should be left to those who are officially elected and who represent all parties professionally, Senior management, teachers and Governors. I hope action is taken as the pupils and education deserves better. What the action will be we will see in due course. Gove has the power to put in its own Governors and leadership if all else fails. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 10

1:04am Mon 10 Mar 14

Sankey says...

M_Addams wrote:
Troll away then Sankey, it's your 'right'. He isn't "shaking things up" he's been in charge since the beginning and has failed utterly in the task set for him. Things do need shaking up, just not by Principal Gannon.

I won't be 'doing one' as this subject is important and close to me, not just an opportunity to try and antagonise other posters.

I'm glad you like him though, having an obtuse contrarian troll like you in his corner won't do him any favours.

Bullies eh? Birds of a feather it seems.
Not very intelligent reply was it ?

Let me guess schoolteacher ? Am I right ?

And a disgruntled one at that ?

So what's the problem have you had a telling off ? Told to pull your finger out ?
Welcome to the real world one normal adults have had to endure for the last 50 years while teachers were everlasting childhood finished off by pensions and cruises.

Well unfortuently the real world has caught up with you but not for Bradbury who got out in time

Lucky fellow
[quote][p][bold]M_Addams[/bold] wrote: Troll away then Sankey, it's your 'right'. He isn't "shaking things up" he's been in charge since the beginning and has failed utterly in the task set for him. Things do need shaking up, just not by Principal Gannon. I won't be 'doing one' as this subject is important and close to me, not just an opportunity to try and antagonise other posters. I'm glad you like him though, having an obtuse contrarian troll like you in his corner won't do him any favours. Bullies eh? Birds of a feather it seems.[/p][/quote]Not very intelligent reply was it ? Let me guess schoolteacher ? Am I right ? And a disgruntled one at that ? So what's the problem have you had a telling off ? Told to pull your finger out ? Welcome to the real world one normal adults have had to endure for the last 50 years while teachers were everlasting childhood finished off by pensions and cruises. Well unfortuently the real world has caught up with you but not for Bradbury who got out in time Lucky fellow Sankey
  • Score: -17

9:48am Mon 10 Mar 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Sankey, radbury got out in time--too true. Teaching s becoming a low paid and udervalued profession where they are working their socks off for their pupils.
The husband's view of his wife's workload above is not an over exaggeration. Yes I am "wound up" but not by you Sankey but by the political interference in Education.
Sankey, radbury got out in time--too true. Teaching s becoming a low paid and udervalued profession where they are working their socks off for their pupils. The husband's view of his wife's workload above is not an over exaggeration. Yes I am "wound up" but not by you Sankey but by the political interference in Education. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 3

10:28am Mon 10 Mar 14

Sankey says...

Bill Bradbury wrote:
Sankey, radbury got out in time--too true. Teaching s becoming a low paid and udervalued profession where they are working their socks off for their pupils.
The husband's view of his wife's workload above is not an over exaggeration. Yes I am "wound up" but not by you Sankey but by the political interference in Education.
When I was younger teaching was a respected profession like a bank manager not any more. Why that has come about many reasons but I feel the militancy has had a lot to do with it. I know individual teachers work hard but as a whole the profession has let itself down. Not my perception but the general public and that of our education system which is one of the worst in the world as we see from the better educated immigrants from the second world eastern block countries out shining our youngsters. I accept there are societal factors also and teachers have to manage indiscipline and lack of respect. But the education sector has to embrace change which it seems to have been reluctant to do so.
[quote][p][bold]Bill Bradbury[/bold] wrote: Sankey, radbury got out in time--too true. Teaching s becoming a low paid and udervalued profession where they are working their socks off for their pupils. The husband's view of his wife's workload above is not an over exaggeration. Yes I am "wound up" but not by you Sankey but by the political interference in Education.[/p][/quote]When I was younger teaching was a respected profession like a bank manager not any more. Why that has come about many reasons but I feel the militancy has had a lot to do with it. I know individual teachers work hard but as a whole the profession has let itself down. Not my perception but the general public and that of our education system which is one of the worst in the world as we see from the better educated immigrants from the second world eastern block countries out shining our youngsters. I accept there are societal factors also and teachers have to manage indiscipline and lack of respect. But the education sector has to embrace change which it seems to have been reluctant to do so. Sankey
  • Score: -11

12:13pm Mon 10 Mar 14

mikeperry109 says...

Bill Bradbury wrote:
All I can say is that at every Governor and school forum I opposed Academisation only to be told that the LA had no options. Academies are not the silver bullet they claimed to be which the current national press are finding out, the Guardian Education of this week will confirm,- Plus every other educational journal.
I am on a Governing Body (not in this LA) that appears to be sleepwalking into one. Nobody listens but just go a long with the mantra of the day.
At the end of the day it's leadership and the quality of the teaching. Education is in a mess due to politics.
And who introduced the Academy - Blair!
[quote][p][bold]Bill Bradbury[/bold] wrote: All I can say is that at every Governor and school forum I opposed Academisation only to be told that the LA had no options. Academies are not the silver bullet they claimed to be which the current national press are finding out, the Guardian Education of this week will confirm,- Plus every other educational journal. I am on a Governing Body (not in this LA) that appears to be sleepwalking into one. Nobody listens but just go a long with the mantra of the day. At the end of the day it's leadership and the quality of the teaching. Education is in a mess due to politics.[/p][/quote]And who introduced the Academy - Blair! mikeperry109
  • Score: -6

1:43pm Mon 10 Mar 14

helphopeAcademy says...

What has happened in the merger and set up of this Academy has happened. There is nothing you can do about it. This is the situation that the area is faced with. However what you can do something about is the leadership and governance of the Academy. Mr Gannon has been in post for a year prior to the Academy opening yet it still opened with no solid strategies for behaviour management and did not have a clear vision and direction. This is supposed to be set by the Governors and leadership team. As M_Adamms said he has surrounded himself with weak leadership staff who do not have the skills or experience to make the changes, and I support their statement, this is very true record of what has happened there. The Governors have been informed by several people of the regime of harassment and intimidation that Mr Gannon leads the Academy by, yet they have failed to do anything about it.
Hope University, as highlighted in one inspection visit, have a great deal of educational expertise, yet it has failed to materialise into a structured support network to help staff who Ofsted highlight as underachieving. If the Governance was strong, they would use these experts to make changes needed and support staff. Valid research into leadership and management highlights that the most successful leaders are strong, visionary leaders who have clear direction and are able to motivate and inspire others to come along with them. Clearly from what is being said Mr Gannon and his leadership team do not have these skills. However it does beg the question, do the Governors have these skills? To date it appears they have not shown these skills.
Putting Mr Gannon in charge I would suggest was the first big blunder. Many people thought this at the time and time and a number of Ofsted inspections have shown that perhaps this is true. His appointment of weak leadership staff would suggest a weakness in his ability to appoint strong, visionary leaders who have the capacity to make the changes necessary. All those young people and staff are victims of mismanagement at the highest of levels. One has to ask, why did the Archdiocese put in post Mr Gannon? During the recruitment process a number of people were interviewed. No one was appointed first time round. However one of these candidates went on to be appointed to a school in Liverpool by the same Archdiocese not long after they were unsuccessful in gaining this role. In the second round of recruitment Mr Gannon was the only person shortlisted for the job and the only person interviewed. Why was the job not re advertised if they could only draw up a shortlist of one for such an important role? The member of the Archdiocese who led the second recruitment round was Mr Gannon's former headteacher at St Mary's. This could suggest a less than transparent process had been undertaken?
It does not matter who said what, who advised who, and whose got a bigger pension pot, or any of the other things that Sankey and Bradbury are saying here. What matters is that young people are being badly let down, not only by poor leadership, poor governance, but also by the local politicians and the DfE. It is sad that Sankey, Bill Bradbury and mikeperry109 are using this thread as way of making political statements and scoring points against one another. The important thread going through here should be the lives of the young people and staff of Hope Academy who are expressing their concerns about weak leadership, bully and illegal sacking of staff and the lack of action over this. Does the Archdiocese, Hope University or the Local Authority really care about any of these young people? Because if they do, they need to act quickly and not let this whole debacle carry on any longer. They have let the mismanagement of Hope Academy go on long enough. If you have any guts, stand up and take out the problems, you all know what the problem is. Put in a new team that can help sort out the issues and don’t continue to blight the lives of pupils and staff any longer.
What has happened in the merger and set up of this Academy has happened. There is nothing you can do about it. This is the situation that the area is faced with. However what you can do something about is the leadership and governance of the Academy. Mr Gannon has been in post for a year prior to the Academy opening yet it still opened with no solid strategies for behaviour management and did not have a clear vision and direction. This is supposed to be set by the Governors and leadership team. As M_Adamms said he has surrounded himself with weak leadership staff who do not have the skills or experience to make the changes, and I support their statement, this is very true record of what has happened there. The Governors have been informed by several people of the regime of harassment and intimidation that Mr Gannon leads the Academy by, yet they have failed to do anything about it. Hope University, as highlighted in one inspection visit, have a great deal of educational expertise, yet it has failed to materialise into a structured support network to help staff who Ofsted highlight as underachieving. If the Governance was strong, they would use these experts to make changes needed and support staff. Valid research into leadership and management highlights that the most successful leaders are strong, visionary leaders who have clear direction and are able to motivate and inspire others to come along with them. Clearly from what is being said Mr Gannon and his leadership team do not have these skills. However it does beg the question, do the Governors have these skills? To date it appears they have not shown these skills. Putting Mr Gannon in charge I would suggest was the first big blunder. Many people thought this at the time and time and a number of Ofsted inspections have shown that perhaps this is true. His appointment of weak leadership staff would suggest a weakness in his ability to appoint strong, visionary leaders who have the capacity to make the changes necessary. All those young people and staff are victims of mismanagement at the highest of levels. One has to ask, why did the Archdiocese put in post Mr Gannon? During the recruitment process a number of people were interviewed. No one was appointed first time round. However one of these candidates went on to be appointed to a school in Liverpool by the same Archdiocese not long after they were unsuccessful in gaining this role. In the second round of recruitment Mr Gannon was the only person shortlisted for the job and the only person interviewed. Why was the job not re advertised if they could only draw up a shortlist of one for such an important role? The member of the Archdiocese who led the second recruitment round was Mr Gannon's former headteacher at St Mary's. This could suggest a less than transparent process had been undertaken? It does not matter who said what, who advised who, and whose got a bigger pension pot, or any of the other things that Sankey and Bradbury are saying here. What matters is that young people are being badly let down, not only by poor leadership, poor governance, but also by the local politicians and the DfE. It is sad that Sankey, Bill Bradbury and mikeperry109 are using this thread as way of making political statements and scoring points against one another. The important thread going through here should be the lives of the young people and staff of Hope Academy who are expressing their concerns about weak leadership, bully and illegal sacking of staff and the lack of action over this. Does the Archdiocese, Hope University or the Local Authority really care about any of these young people? Because if they do, they need to act quickly and not let this whole debacle carry on any longer. They have let the mismanagement of Hope Academy go on long enough. If you have any guts, stand up and take out the problems, you all know what the problem is. Put in a new team that can help sort out the issues and don’t continue to blight the lives of pupils and staff any longer. helphopeAcademy
  • Score: 19

2:42pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Bill Bradbury says...

helphopeAcademy--- I did not make any political point apart from witnessing 45 years of political interference and Mike Perry very very late in this review all he had to say was Blair brought in Academies, which I opposed at the time but there is a world of difference between Labour/LA supported Academies and what we have now but brought in on the back of PFI/BSF which I also opposed as those who were at Forums would witness. Mike will jump at anything that Labour does as he was expelled from the party some years ago, an issue he has never forgotten.

Apart from that point helphope most of your comment makes sense..
helphopeAcademy--- I did not make any political point apart from witnessing 45 years of political interference and Mike Perry very very late in this review all he had to say was Blair brought in Academies, which I opposed at the time but there is a world of difference between Labour/LA supported Academies and what we have now but brought in on the back of PFI/BSF which I also opposed as those who were at Forums would witness. Mike will jump at anything that Labour does as he was expelled from the party some years ago, an issue he has never forgotten. Apart from that point helphope most of your comment makes sense.. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: -1

3:31pm Mon 10 Mar 14

logunner says...

helphopeAcademy wrote:
What has happened in the merger and set up of this Academy has happened. There is nothing you can do about it. This is the situation that the area is faced with. However what you can do something about is the leadership and governance of the Academy. Mr Gannon has been in post for a year prior to the Academy opening yet it still opened with no solid strategies for behaviour management and did not have a clear vision and direction. This is supposed to be set by the Governors and leadership team. As M_Adamms said he has surrounded himself with weak leadership staff who do not have the skills or experience to make the changes, and I support their statement, this is very true record of what has happened there. The Governors have been informed by several people of the regime of harassment and intimidation that Mr Gannon leads the Academy by, yet they have failed to do anything about it.
Hope University, as highlighted in one inspection visit, have a great deal of educational expertise, yet it has failed to materialise into a structured support network to help staff who Ofsted highlight as underachieving. If the Governance was strong, they would use these experts to make changes needed and support staff. Valid research into leadership and management highlights that the most successful leaders are strong, visionary leaders who have clear direction and are able to motivate and inspire others to come along with them. Clearly from what is being said Mr Gannon and his leadership team do not have these skills. However it does beg the question, do the Governors have these skills? To date it appears they have not shown these skills.
Putting Mr Gannon in charge I would suggest was the first big blunder. Many people thought this at the time and time and a number of Ofsted inspections have shown that perhaps this is true. His appointment of weak leadership staff would suggest a weakness in his ability to appoint strong, visionary leaders who have the capacity to make the changes necessary. All those young people and staff are victims of mismanagement at the highest of levels. One has to ask, why did the Archdiocese put in post Mr Gannon? During the recruitment process a number of people were interviewed. No one was appointed first time round. However one of these candidates went on to be appointed to a school in Liverpool by the same Archdiocese not long after they were unsuccessful in gaining this role. In the second round of recruitment Mr Gannon was the only person shortlisted for the job and the only person interviewed. Why was the job not re advertised if they could only draw up a shortlist of one for such an important role? The member of the Archdiocese who led the second recruitment round was Mr Gannon's former headteacher at St Mary's. This could suggest a less than transparent process had been undertaken?
It does not matter who said what, who advised who, and whose got a bigger pension pot, or any of the other things that Sankey and Bradbury are saying here. What matters is that young people are being badly let down, not only by poor leadership, poor governance, but also by the local politicians and the DfE. It is sad that Sankey, Bill Bradbury and mikeperry109 are using this thread as way of making political statements and scoring points against one another. The important thread going through here should be the lives of the young people and staff of Hope Academy who are expressing their concerns about weak leadership, bully and illegal sacking of staff and the lack of action over this. Does the Archdiocese, Hope University or the Local Authority really care about any of these young people? Because if they do, they need to act quickly and not let this whole debacle carry on any longer. They have let the mismanagement of Hope Academy go on long enough. If you have any guts, stand up and take out the problems, you all know what the problem is. Put in a new team that can help sort out the issues and don’t continue to blight the lives of pupils and staff any longer.
My first post which was deleted for some reason stated that the problem wad Gannon....

He is a bully, a poor leader, a buck passer, an out and out tyrant.

My child has suffered by educationally and mentally due to his failings. The bullying mentioned in the ofsted report began at the top, and cascaded down. The pupils have no recourse, no support and a governing body that is either blind or complicit in the failings.

The best we can hope for is HM inspectors come in and take over the running of the school, followed by a mass cull management and governing body.

I repeat Gannon 'the bully' out! And out now!
[quote][p][bold]helphopeAcademy[/bold] wrote: What has happened in the merger and set up of this Academy has happened. There is nothing you can do about it. This is the situation that the area is faced with. However what you can do something about is the leadership and governance of the Academy. Mr Gannon has been in post for a year prior to the Academy opening yet it still opened with no solid strategies for behaviour management and did not have a clear vision and direction. This is supposed to be set by the Governors and leadership team. As M_Adamms said he has surrounded himself with weak leadership staff who do not have the skills or experience to make the changes, and I support their statement, this is very true record of what has happened there. The Governors have been informed by several people of the regime of harassment and intimidation that Mr Gannon leads the Academy by, yet they have failed to do anything about it. Hope University, as highlighted in one inspection visit, have a great deal of educational expertise, yet it has failed to materialise into a structured support network to help staff who Ofsted highlight as underachieving. If the Governance was strong, they would use these experts to make changes needed and support staff. Valid research into leadership and management highlights that the most successful leaders are strong, visionary leaders who have clear direction and are able to motivate and inspire others to come along with them. Clearly from what is being said Mr Gannon and his leadership team do not have these skills. However it does beg the question, do the Governors have these skills? To date it appears they have not shown these skills. Putting Mr Gannon in charge I would suggest was the first big blunder. Many people thought this at the time and time and a number of Ofsted inspections have shown that perhaps this is true. His appointment of weak leadership staff would suggest a weakness in his ability to appoint strong, visionary leaders who have the capacity to make the changes necessary. All those young people and staff are victims of mismanagement at the highest of levels. One has to ask, why did the Archdiocese put in post Mr Gannon? During the recruitment process a number of people were interviewed. No one was appointed first time round. However one of these candidates went on to be appointed to a school in Liverpool by the same Archdiocese not long after they were unsuccessful in gaining this role. In the second round of recruitment Mr Gannon was the only person shortlisted for the job and the only person interviewed. Why was the job not re advertised if they could only draw up a shortlist of one for such an important role? The member of the Archdiocese who led the second recruitment round was Mr Gannon's former headteacher at St Mary's. This could suggest a less than transparent process had been undertaken? It does not matter who said what, who advised who, and whose got a bigger pension pot, or any of the other things that Sankey and Bradbury are saying here. What matters is that young people are being badly let down, not only by poor leadership, poor governance, but also by the local politicians and the DfE. It is sad that Sankey, Bill Bradbury and mikeperry109 are using this thread as way of making political statements and scoring points against one another. The important thread going through here should be the lives of the young people and staff of Hope Academy who are expressing their concerns about weak leadership, bully and illegal sacking of staff and the lack of action over this. Does the Archdiocese, Hope University or the Local Authority really care about any of these young people? Because if they do, they need to act quickly and not let this whole debacle carry on any longer. They have let the mismanagement of Hope Academy go on long enough. If you have any guts, stand up and take out the problems, you all know what the problem is. Put in a new team that can help sort out the issues and don’t continue to blight the lives of pupils and staff any longer.[/p][/quote]My first post which was deleted for some reason stated that the problem wad Gannon.... He is a bully, a poor leader, a buck passer, an out and out tyrant. My child has suffered by educationally and mentally due to his failings. The bullying mentioned in the ofsted report began at the top, and cascaded down. The pupils have no recourse, no support and a governing body that is either blind or complicit in the failings. The best we can hope for is HM inspectors come in and take over the running of the school, followed by a mass cull management and governing body. I repeat Gannon 'the bully' out! And out now! logunner
  • Score: 19

4:23pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Sankey says...

helphopeAcademy wrote:
What has happened in the merger and set up of this Academy has happened. There is nothing you can do about it. This is the situation that the area is faced with. However what you can do something about is the leadership and governance of the Academy. Mr Gannon has been in post for a year prior to the Academy opening yet it still opened with no solid strategies for behaviour management and did not have a clear vision and direction. This is supposed to be set by the Governors and leadership team. As M_Adamms said he has surrounded himself with weak leadership staff who do not have the skills or experience to make the changes, and I support their statement, this is very true record of what has happened there. The Governors have been informed by several people of the regime of harassment and intimidation that Mr Gannon leads the Academy by, yet they have failed to do anything about it.
Hope University, as highlighted in one inspection visit, have a great deal of educational expertise, yet it has failed to materialise into a structured support network to help staff who Ofsted highlight as underachieving. If the Governance was strong, they would use these experts to make changes needed and support staff. Valid research into leadership and management highlights that the most successful leaders are strong, visionary leaders who have clear direction and are able to motivate and inspire others to come along with them. Clearly from what is being said Mr Gannon and his leadership team do not have these skills. However it does beg the question, do the Governors have these skills? To date it appears they have not shown these skills.
Putting Mr Gannon in charge I would suggest was the first big blunder. Many people thought this at the time and time and a number of Ofsted inspections have shown that perhaps this is true. His appointment of weak leadership staff would suggest a weakness in his ability to appoint strong, visionary leaders who have the capacity to make the changes necessary. All those young people and staff are victims of mismanagement at the highest of levels. One has to ask, why did the Archdiocese put in post Mr Gannon? During the recruitment process a number of people were interviewed. No one was appointed first time round. However one of these candidates went on to be appointed to a school in Liverpool by the same Archdiocese not long after they were unsuccessful in gaining this role. In the second round of recruitment Mr Gannon was the only person shortlisted for the job and the only person interviewed. Why was the job not re advertised if they could only draw up a shortlist of one for such an important role? The member of the Archdiocese who led the second recruitment round was Mr Gannon's former headteacher at St Mary's. This could suggest a less than transparent process had been undertaken?
It does not matter who said what, who advised who, and whose got a bigger pension pot, or any of the other things that Sankey and Bradbury are saying here. What matters is that young people are being badly let down, not only by poor leadership, poor governance, but also by the local politicians and the DfE. It is sad that Sankey, Bill Bradbury and mikeperry109 are using this thread as way of making political statements and scoring points against one another. The important thread going through here should be the lives of the young people and staff of Hope Academy who are expressing their concerns about weak leadership, bully and illegal sacking of staff and the lack of action over this. Does the Archdiocese, Hope University or the Local Authority really care about any of these young people? Because if they do, they need to act quickly and not let this whole debacle carry on any longer. They have let the mismanagement of Hope Academy go on long enough. If you have any guts, stand up and take out the problems, you all know what the problem is. Put in a new team that can help sort out the issues and don’t continue to blight the lives of pupils and staff any longer.
Fair enough it does sound like there are questions to answer in

Governance
Process
Recruitment
Accountability

Accountability in the public sector does not seem to exist as we see so often at least at the senior levels. Ultimately the accountability must be with the governors maybe mr gannon is doing a great job under the stewardship of the governors there are huge challenges at the school. In which case there seems to be a gap in communication and transparency. The other thing I would add is the council leader has publically expressed local education is one of his three priorities therefore you might want to write to him and let him know how you feel
[quote][p][bold]helphopeAcademy[/bold] wrote: What has happened in the merger and set up of this Academy has happened. There is nothing you can do about it. This is the situation that the area is faced with. However what you can do something about is the leadership and governance of the Academy. Mr Gannon has been in post for a year prior to the Academy opening yet it still opened with no solid strategies for behaviour management and did not have a clear vision and direction. This is supposed to be set by the Governors and leadership team. As M_Adamms said he has surrounded himself with weak leadership staff who do not have the skills or experience to make the changes, and I support their statement, this is very true record of what has happened there. The Governors have been informed by several people of the regime of harassment and intimidation that Mr Gannon leads the Academy by, yet they have failed to do anything about it. Hope University, as highlighted in one inspection visit, have a great deal of educational expertise, yet it has failed to materialise into a structured support network to help staff who Ofsted highlight as underachieving. If the Governance was strong, they would use these experts to make changes needed and support staff. Valid research into leadership and management highlights that the most successful leaders are strong, visionary leaders who have clear direction and are able to motivate and inspire others to come along with them. Clearly from what is being said Mr Gannon and his leadership team do not have these skills. However it does beg the question, do the Governors have these skills? To date it appears they have not shown these skills. Putting Mr Gannon in charge I would suggest was the first big blunder. Many people thought this at the time and time and a number of Ofsted inspections have shown that perhaps this is true. His appointment of weak leadership staff would suggest a weakness in his ability to appoint strong, visionary leaders who have the capacity to make the changes necessary. All those young people and staff are victims of mismanagement at the highest of levels. One has to ask, why did the Archdiocese put in post Mr Gannon? During the recruitment process a number of people were interviewed. No one was appointed first time round. However one of these candidates went on to be appointed to a school in Liverpool by the same Archdiocese not long after they were unsuccessful in gaining this role. In the second round of recruitment Mr Gannon was the only person shortlisted for the job and the only person interviewed. Why was the job not re advertised if they could only draw up a shortlist of one for such an important role? The member of the Archdiocese who led the second recruitment round was Mr Gannon's former headteacher at St Mary's. This could suggest a less than transparent process had been undertaken? It does not matter who said what, who advised who, and whose got a bigger pension pot, or any of the other things that Sankey and Bradbury are saying here. What matters is that young people are being badly let down, not only by poor leadership, poor governance, but also by the local politicians and the DfE. It is sad that Sankey, Bill Bradbury and mikeperry109 are using this thread as way of making political statements and scoring points against one another. The important thread going through here should be the lives of the young people and staff of Hope Academy who are expressing their concerns about weak leadership, bully and illegal sacking of staff and the lack of action over this. Does the Archdiocese, Hope University or the Local Authority really care about any of these young people? Because if they do, they need to act quickly and not let this whole debacle carry on any longer. They have let the mismanagement of Hope Academy go on long enough. If you have any guts, stand up and take out the problems, you all know what the problem is. Put in a new team that can help sort out the issues and don’t continue to blight the lives of pupils and staff any longer.[/p][/quote]Fair enough it does sound like there are questions to answer in Governance Process Recruitment Accountability Accountability in the public sector does not seem to exist as we see so often at least at the senior levels. Ultimately the accountability must be with the governors maybe mr gannon is doing a great job under the stewardship of the governors there are huge challenges at the school. In which case there seems to be a gap in communication and transparency. The other thing I would add is the council leader has publically expressed local education is one of his three priorities therefore you might want to write to him and let him know how you feel Sankey
  • Score: -5

4:45pm Mon 10 Mar 14

M_Addams says...

Obviously I agree with everything helphopeAcademy is saying being that I pretty much said the same thing. It's well known that Mr Gannon's appointment was a case of 'jobs for the boys' and pretty much a golden back hander before his retirement. Perhaps they thought that this fantastic new building would somehow run itself? Well he has proved them wrong, and then some. I gather there is to be a meeting with parents, no doubt he will trot out the same tired excuses, but surely it's out of his hands now. Urgent action is required.

And Sankey to answer your questions in order,

It was intelligent enough to actually refer to the topic.
No.
No.
No.
No.
And no.

Sorry I didn't respond to your reply at 1.04 am or the ones you posted throughout the day but I had to get up to work in the 'real world', unlike yourself it seems, busy day?

"Welcome to the real world" ha you don't know where it is.
Obviously I agree with everything helphopeAcademy is saying being that I pretty much said the same thing. It's well known that Mr Gannon's appointment was a case of 'jobs for the boys' and pretty much a golden back hander before his retirement. Perhaps they thought that this fantastic new building would somehow run itself? Well he has proved them wrong, and then some. I gather there is to be a meeting with parents, no doubt he will trot out the same tired excuses, but surely it's out of his hands now. Urgent action is required. And Sankey to answer your questions in order, It was intelligent enough to actually refer to the topic. No. No. No. No. And no. Sorry I didn't respond to your reply at 1.04 am or the ones you posted throughout the day but I had to get up to work in the 'real world', unlike yourself it seems, busy day? "Welcome to the real world" ha you don't know where it is. M_Addams
  • Score: 10

5:23pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Sankey says...

M_Addams wrote:
Obviously I agree with everything helphopeAcademy is saying being that I pretty much said the same thing. It's well known that Mr Gannon's appointment was a case of 'jobs for the boys' and pretty much a golden back hander before his retirement. Perhaps they thought that this fantastic new building would somehow run itself? Well he has proved them wrong, and then some. I gather there is to be a meeting with parents, no doubt he will trot out the same tired excuses, but surely it's out of his hands now. Urgent action is required.

And Sankey to answer your questions in order,

It was intelligent enough to actually refer to the topic.
No.
No.
No.
No.
And no.

Sorry I didn't respond to your reply at 1.04 am or the ones you posted throughout the day but I had to get up to work in the 'real world', unlike yourself it seems, busy day?

"Welcome to the real world" ha you don't know where it is.
So what are you doing about this as you are so exercised over it. Venting your spleen at strangers on the St. Helens star comments page is hardly going to have the dreaded mr gannon quaking in his boots is it ? I did not appoint mr gannon or have anything to do with him.

You need to go via the formal channels starting with the governors.

The council leader also has local education as one of his priorities find out what he has to say.

Let us know how you get

Those are the people you shoud be directing all your pent up energy at
[quote][p][bold]M_Addams[/bold] wrote: Obviously I agree with everything helphopeAcademy is saying being that I pretty much said the same thing. It's well known that Mr Gannon's appointment was a case of 'jobs for the boys' and pretty much a golden back hander before his retirement. Perhaps they thought that this fantastic new building would somehow run itself? Well he has proved them wrong, and then some. I gather there is to be a meeting with parents, no doubt he will trot out the same tired excuses, but surely it's out of his hands now. Urgent action is required. And Sankey to answer your questions in order, It was intelligent enough to actually refer to the topic. No. No. No. No. And no. Sorry I didn't respond to your reply at 1.04 am or the ones you posted throughout the day but I had to get up to work in the 'real world', unlike yourself it seems, busy day? "Welcome to the real world" ha you don't know where it is.[/p][/quote]So what are you doing about this as you are so exercised over it. Venting your spleen at strangers on the St. Helens star comments page is hardly going to have the dreaded mr gannon quaking in his boots is it ? I did not appoint mr gannon or have anything to do with him. You need to go via the formal channels starting with the governors. The council leader also has local education as one of his priorities find out what he has to say. Let us know how you get Those are the people you shoud be directing all your pent up energy at Sankey
  • Score: -7

5:51pm Mon 10 Mar 14

M_Addams says...

Sankey the letters were penned during my dinner break and will hopefully be dropping through letter boxes in the next couple of days. If I've not heard back by the beginning of next week I'll start emailing and calling direct. I'm not the only one either several other parents I've spoken to are doing the same thing. It's not much yet but it gets the ball rolling and I would ask others to do the same.

Also people are looking at an online petition that can be shown to the LA and of course when the ofsted report officially comes out, I would say any concerned parents should air their grievances on the parent view website as that is view by the ofsted inspectors.

And of course there will be some sort of meeting with parents, staff, headship and governors that I'm looking forward too as he will not be able to bully his way through it as I suspect he would if it were simply a meeting with governors and sponsors.

This isn't aimless venting Sankey if you had witnessed a huge change in your child as result of being in this mans school for a very short time you would take this matter as seriously as I do, and use this thread as an opportunity to air and share opinions on the matter, not just use it as another chance to moan about the world in general and shout your personal vendettas against teacher by trotting out the usual boring and utterly incorrect view of teachers as lucky over paid scivers .
Sankey the letters were penned during my dinner break and will hopefully be dropping through letter boxes in the next couple of days. If I've not heard back by the beginning of next week I'll start emailing and calling direct. I'm not the only one either several other parents I've spoken to are doing the same thing. It's not much yet but it gets the ball rolling and I would ask others to do the same. Also people are looking at an online petition that can be shown to the LA and of course when the ofsted report officially comes out, I would say any concerned parents should air their grievances on the parent view website as that is view by the ofsted inspectors. And of course there will be some sort of meeting with parents, staff, headship and governors that I'm looking forward too as he will not be able to bully his way through it as I suspect he would if it were simply a meeting with governors and sponsors. This isn't aimless venting Sankey if you had witnessed a huge change in your child as result of being in this mans school for a very short time you would take this matter as seriously as I do, and use this thread as an opportunity to air and share opinions on the matter, not just use it as another chance to moan about the world in general and shout your personal vendettas against teacher by trotting out the usual boring and utterly incorrect view of teachers as lucky over paid scivers . M_Addams
  • Score: 12

6:29pm Mon 10 Mar 14

whats happening to education? says...

Well said m addams. Its good to hear parents are rallying to do something about this situation. So many good teachers have been harassed out of their jobs by this leadership team and to hear that pupuls are being treated so appalling is a disgrace. Get the online petition going, get the LA to take responsibility. They helped create this mess. You need to make sure you get the archdiocese involved as well as they were so keen to let this merger happen. I hope you have time to rescue you childs education and spirit.

Mr Gannon has allegedly spent this weekend moving boxes of documents out of his office and into his car. If this is true then what is being removed? And why? Also he wasn't in the Academy today. Is he running scared?
Well said m addams. Its good to hear parents are rallying to do something about this situation. So many good teachers have been harassed out of their jobs by this leadership team and to hear that pupuls are being treated so appalling is a disgrace. Get the online petition going, get the LA to take responsibility. They helped create this mess. You need to make sure you get the archdiocese involved as well as they were so keen to let this merger happen. I hope you have time to rescue you childs education and spirit. Mr Gannon has allegedly spent this weekend moving boxes of documents out of his office and into his car. If this is true then what is being removed? And why? Also he wasn't in the Academy today. Is he running scared? whats happening to education?
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6:54pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Sankey says...

M_Addams wrote:
Sankey the letters were penned during my dinner break and will hopefully be dropping through letter boxes in the next couple of days. If I've not heard back by the beginning of next week I'll start emailing and calling direct. I'm not the only one either several other parents I've spoken to are doing the same thing. It's not much yet but it gets the ball rolling and I would ask others to do the same.

Also people are looking at an online petition that can be shown to the LA and of course when the ofsted report officially comes out, I would say any concerned parents should air their grievances on the parent view website as that is view by the ofsted inspectors.

And of course there will be some sort of meeting with parents, staff, headship and governors that I'm looking forward too as he will not be able to bully his way through it as I suspect he would if it were simply a meeting with governors and sponsors.

This isn't aimless venting Sankey if you had witnessed a huge change in your child as result of being in this mans school for a very short time you would take this matter as seriously as I do, and use this thread as an opportunity to air and share opinions on the matter, not just use it as another chance to moan about the world in general and shout your personal vendettas against teacher by trotting out the usual boring and utterly incorrect view of teachers as lucky over paid scivers .
Fair enough I wish you well with your endeavours

The education system is a mess and has for years been run for the benefit of those in the profession and the militant unions. The teaching unions have always been the most aggressive and intransigent. This situation proves it mr gannon is in fact a teacher and a product of the system. How many other schools are there like hope throughout the land? If you doubt this look at the skills of kids we are turning out basic spelling and maths even in people attending university.

When I read the reforms Michael gove is making in general terms there is not one so far I have disagreed with they seem common sense to me. Had we implemented these years ago parents would not be having to take the law Into their own hands. But they will be resisted every step of the way by vested interests.

Easy as it is to demonise one local man it's the British eduction system that's rotten to the core and needs shaking to its roots.
[quote][p][bold]M_Addams[/bold] wrote: Sankey the letters were penned during my dinner break and will hopefully be dropping through letter boxes in the next couple of days. If I've not heard back by the beginning of next week I'll start emailing and calling direct. I'm not the only one either several other parents I've spoken to are doing the same thing. It's not much yet but it gets the ball rolling and I would ask others to do the same. Also people are looking at an online petition that can be shown to the LA and of course when the ofsted report officially comes out, I would say any concerned parents should air their grievances on the parent view website as that is view by the ofsted inspectors. And of course there will be some sort of meeting with parents, staff, headship and governors that I'm looking forward too as he will not be able to bully his way through it as I suspect he would if it were simply a meeting with governors and sponsors. This isn't aimless venting Sankey if you had witnessed a huge change in your child as result of being in this mans school for a very short time you would take this matter as seriously as I do, and use this thread as an opportunity to air and share opinions on the matter, not just use it as another chance to moan about the world in general and shout your personal vendettas against teacher by trotting out the usual boring and utterly incorrect view of teachers as lucky over paid scivers .[/p][/quote]Fair enough I wish you well with your endeavours The education system is a mess and has for years been run for the benefit of those in the profession and the militant unions. The teaching unions have always been the most aggressive and intransigent. This situation proves it mr gannon is in fact a teacher and a product of the system. How many other schools are there like hope throughout the land? If you doubt this look at the skills of kids we are turning out basic spelling and maths even in people attending university. When I read the reforms Michael gove is making in general terms there is not one so far I have disagreed with they seem common sense to me. Had we implemented these years ago parents would not be having to take the law Into their own hands. But they will be resisted every step of the way by vested interests. Easy as it is to demonise one local man it's the British eduction system that's rotten to the core and needs shaking to its roots. Sankey
  • Score: -15

8:10pm Mon 10 Mar 14

voiceod says...

Sankey you're entitled to your opinion based on your unshakeable in depth knowledge of teaching. You must have a long career in the profession and have been more than inadequate at it to hold such opinions.

It has been established for some time in the thread and voiced by parents and pupils of the academy that the school and the pupils at it are being negatively affected by the tenure of principal Gannon.

Might your efforts to disturb and annoy be better utilised on a less serious thread. These are children who deserve an attempt to to have the wrongs forced upon them corrected. You're stealing their momentum with some very silly comments on subjects you clearly know very little about. Please let the parents and pupils build their case without your snide, antagonising comments.
Sankey you're entitled to your opinion based on your unshakeable in depth knowledge of teaching. You must have a long career in the profession and have been more than inadequate at it to hold such opinions. It has been established for some time in the thread and voiced by parents and pupils of the academy that the school and the pupils at it are being negatively affected by the tenure of principal Gannon. Might your efforts to disturb and annoy be better utilised on a less serious thread. These are children who deserve an attempt to to have the wrongs forced upon them corrected. You're stealing their momentum with some very silly comments on subjects you clearly know very little about. Please let the parents and pupils build their case without your snide, antagonising comments. voiceod
  • Score: 13

9:04pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Sankey says...

voiceod wrote:
Sankey you're entitled to your opinion based on your unshakeable in depth knowledge of teaching. You must have a long career in the profession and have been more than inadequate at it to hold such opinions.

It has been established for some time in the thread and voiced by parents and pupils of the academy that the school and the pupils at it are being negatively affected by the tenure of principal Gannon.

Might your efforts to disturb and annoy be better utilised on a less serious thread. These are children who deserve an attempt to to have the wrongs forced upon them corrected. You're stealing their momentum with some very silly comments on subjects you clearly know very little about. Please let the parents and pupils build their case without your snide, antagonising comments.
Tough I will make comments as I see fit as is the norm on a public forum in the local paper

All the problems are to do with the rotten education establishment and this notion that only pompus teachers are capable of or being allowed to have an opinion on education (probably one of the most important topics there is) is an exact illustration of the problem.

Teachers know best ? Well the results say otherwise
[quote][p][bold]voiceod[/bold] wrote: Sankey you're entitled to your opinion based on your unshakeable in depth knowledge of teaching. You must have a long career in the profession and have been more than inadequate at it to hold such opinions. It has been established for some time in the thread and voiced by parents and pupils of the academy that the school and the pupils at it are being negatively affected by the tenure of principal Gannon. Might your efforts to disturb and annoy be better utilised on a less serious thread. These are children who deserve an attempt to to have the wrongs forced upon them corrected. You're stealing their momentum with some very silly comments on subjects you clearly know very little about. Please let the parents and pupils build their case without your snide, antagonising comments.[/p][/quote]Tough I will make comments as I see fit as is the norm on a public forum in the local paper All the problems are to do with the rotten education establishment and this notion that only pompus teachers are capable of or being allowed to have an opinion on education (probably one of the most important topics there is) is an exact illustration of the problem. Teachers know best ? Well the results say otherwise Sankey
  • Score: -15

10:48pm Mon 10 Mar 14

voiceod says...

Sankey you seem to have an opinion on everything, yet the substance of your opinion could barely fill the back of a cigarette packet, and even then one would struggle to pull an accurate point out of your adolescent opinions / comments.

Best I and everyone else ignore you, then you wont get your kicks hijacking a serious thread with such drivek as you'll get no response. PS I'm not a teacher
nor are quite a few of the people who posted.

I shall not reply ro you again. This should be about the children of Hope Academy and their right to a safe, secure and consistent education with an inspirational leader (believe your conservative pals said this recently so you can't argue with it) not a bully as has been outlined above by people eho have real life scars inflicted as they believe by principal Gannon. Maybe we should let the pupils, parents and teachers whom this man to my mind is clearly doing an injustice to speak out ...
Sankey you seem to have an opinion on everything, yet the substance of your opinion could barely fill the back of a cigarette packet, and even then one would struggle to pull an accurate point out of your adolescent opinions / comments. Best I and everyone else ignore you, then you wont get your kicks hijacking a serious thread with such drivek as you'll get no response. PS I'm not a teacher nor are quite a few of the people who posted. I shall not reply ro you again. This should be about the children of Hope Academy and their right to a safe, secure and consistent education with an inspirational leader (believe your conservative pals said this recently so you can't argue with it) not a bully as has been outlined above by people eho have real life scars inflicted as they believe by principal Gannon. Maybe we should let the pupils, parents and teachers whom this man to my mind is clearly doing an injustice to speak out ... voiceod
  • Score: 15

11:36pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Sankey says...

Are we not due a teachers strike ? We don't seem to have had one for a week a two?

What's going on ?
Are we not due a teachers strike ? We don't seem to have had one for a week a two? What's going on ? Sankey
  • Score: -14

4:28pm Tue 11 Mar 14

logunner says...

Do hope you are correct BB

Good news if they have...
Do hope you are correct BB Good news if they have... logunner
  • Score: 4

4:34pm Tue 11 Mar 14

barrie timpson says...

voiceod wrote:
Sankey as it seems you have such a deluded view of the teaching profession may I offer you some facts rather than your completely wrong view of teaching.

My wife is a teacher, a very good.one. Ok so let me address your comment regarding six months a year - does your child only receive an education from September until March? Right, firstly teaching is a vocation and not a job let me lay down some facts for you.

Teachers don't start work five minutes before your child starts their lessons they start before 8am.

Teachers don't leave school when your child does. With marking, meetings and training most teachers struggle to leave before 5.30 to 6pm.

Teachers don't get breaks and rarely have the opportunity to.stuff a.sandwich down them at.lunchtime.

So having done 10 hours standing on their feet trying absolutely everything they can to assist your child to better themselves by increasing their knowledge and hopefully enabling them to get a decent job they then come home. They put the kettle on put their feet up and watch coronation street. Is that what you think? No that's not what happens there is big rush to get dishes washed whilst tea is.cooking because there was no time to wash them after tea last night. Your own children are telling you about their day and their problems or successes at school. Once you've wolfed down a quickly prepared.pasta dish it's 8pm. Your own children are almost ready for bed but need to do their homework and have a bath. Kids are now settled in bed it's around 9.30pm time to relax right? That new bbc drama looks good right? That DVD you got last Christmas that you haven't seen yet looks good? (Your husband reminds you that it wasn't last Christmas it was two years ago. This year he didn't buy you one because you didn't get chance to watch it) no!.now it's time to plan lessons and make resources for those lessons (this is the equivalent of a bricklayer laying bricks for ten hours and then going home and.making their own bricks and not being paid for it. Teachers don't complain about this until some knowledgeable person like you tells them they work six months a year.

So after working ten hours at work and finally getting your child's lessons prepared.for the next day it's now midnight at the earliest. I'll bring you to weekends in a moment.... but ten hours at school then at least three hours a night (unpaid) now I don't know your profession Sankey but the feeling I get from your post is you wouldn't offer your services for five to eight hours a day extra for free.would you? No I didn't think so you're far too busy reading the headlines in the daily star (stories probably a little too.complex and forming your own educated opportunity opinion on something well you need to be Einstein for that)

Weekends - they're free time to enjoy yourself aren't they? Tell that to my wife and more so my children. My children often start their weekends with disappointment "are we doing anything this weekend" their mum replies "sorry kids I have to get my marking done my books could be scrutinized at any point and if they're not marked.I'll be in trouble" a tear in her eye and pain etched.all over her face. "What about when that is finished mummy?" More liquid lubricates my wife's eyes as she opens her mouth and for a second she is so choked she can't speak "then I need to get planning done for next week which needs to cater for thirty individuals offering differentiation for their levels, behavioural and or communication difficulties.

So Sankey next time you have a cheap pop at teachers think - they're probably Sat somewhere tearing their hair out producing a lesson from scratch to.an outstanding level for your child, whilst their own children are stuck with a DVD.

Pension? Hahaha please read into why teachers have taken strike action recently - don't get your information from the daily star. No lump sum pensions for teachers anymore and for people who have been paying something for a long time the goal posts have been moved on them and they won't get what they signed up for.

Sankey one thing you said was quite.correct. The majority of the.population would find those inhumane conditions impossible to.endure.
I have to ask - why does she not leave and become a bricklayer?
[quote][p][bold]voiceod[/bold] wrote: Sankey as it seems you have such a deluded view of the teaching profession may I offer you some facts rather than your completely wrong view of teaching. My wife is a teacher, a very good.one. Ok so let me address your comment regarding six months a year - does your child only receive an education from September until March? Right, firstly teaching is a vocation and not a job let me lay down some facts for you. Teachers don't start work five minutes before your child starts their lessons they start before 8am. Teachers don't leave school when your child does. With marking, meetings and training most teachers struggle to leave before 5.30 to 6pm. Teachers don't get breaks and rarely have the opportunity to.stuff a.sandwich down them at.lunchtime. So having done 10 hours standing on their feet trying absolutely everything they can to assist your child to better themselves by increasing their knowledge and hopefully enabling them to get a decent job they then come home. They put the kettle on put their feet up and watch coronation street. Is that what you think? No that's not what happens there is big rush to get dishes washed whilst tea is.cooking because there was no time to wash them after tea last night. Your own children are telling you about their day and their problems or successes at school. Once you've wolfed down a quickly prepared.pasta dish it's 8pm. Your own children are almost ready for bed but need to do their homework and have a bath. Kids are now settled in bed it's around 9.30pm time to relax right? That new bbc drama looks good right? That DVD you got last Christmas that you haven't seen yet looks good? (Your husband reminds you that it wasn't last Christmas it was two years ago. This year he didn't buy you one because you didn't get chance to watch it) no!.now it's time to plan lessons and make resources for those lessons (this is the equivalent of a bricklayer laying bricks for ten hours and then going home and.making their own bricks and not being paid for it. Teachers don't complain about this until some knowledgeable person like you tells them they work six months a year. So after working ten hours at work and finally getting your child's lessons prepared.for the next day it's now midnight at the earliest. I'll bring you to weekends in a moment.... but ten hours at school then at least three hours a night (unpaid) now I don't know your profession Sankey but the feeling I get from your post is you wouldn't offer your services for five to eight hours a day extra for free.would you? No I didn't think so you're far too busy reading the headlines in the daily star (stories probably a little too.complex and forming your own educated opportunity opinion on something well you need to be Einstein for that) Weekends - they're free time to enjoy yourself aren't they? Tell that to my wife and more so my children. My children often start their weekends with disappointment "are we doing anything this weekend" their mum replies "sorry kids I have to get my marking done my books could be scrutinized at any point and if they're not marked.I'll be in trouble" a tear in her eye and pain etched.all over her face. "What about when that is finished mummy?" More liquid lubricates my wife's eyes as she opens her mouth and for a second she is so choked she can't speak "then I need to get planning done for next week which needs to cater for thirty individuals offering differentiation for their levels, behavioural and or communication difficulties. So Sankey next time you have a cheap pop at teachers think - they're probably Sat somewhere tearing their hair out producing a lesson from scratch to.an outstanding level for your child, whilst their own children are stuck with a DVD. Pension? Hahaha please read into why teachers have taken strike action recently - don't get your information from the daily star. No lump sum pensions for teachers anymore and for people who have been paying something for a long time the goal posts have been moved on them and they won't get what they signed up for. Sankey one thing you said was quite.correct. The majority of the.population would find those inhumane conditions impossible to.endure.[/p][/quote]I have to ask - why does she not leave and become a bricklayer? barrie timpson
  • Score: -1

4:34pm Tue 11 Mar 14

logunner says...

Yep he is out of there... 3 years to late for my daughters sake, but at least others will have a chance of a decent education now.

Lost count of the times I've had to intervene in my daughters education because of his poor management.

A happy parent right now.
Yep he is out of there... 3 years to late for my daughters sake, but at least others will have a chance of a decent education now. Lost count of the times I've had to intervene in my daughters education because of his poor management. A happy parent right now. logunner
  • Score: 9

4:38pm Tue 11 Mar 14

barrie timpson says...

Bill Bradbury wrote:
helphopeAcademy--- I did not make any political point apart from witnessing 45 years of political interference and Mike Perry very very late in this review all he had to say was Blair brought in Academies, which I opposed at the time but there is a world of difference between Labour/LA supported Academies and what we have now but brought in on the back of PFI/BSF which I also opposed as those who were at Forums would witness. Mike will jump at anything that Labour does as he was expelled from the party some years ago, an issue he has never forgotten.

Apart from that point helphope most of your comment makes sense..
I thought you said there was no point bringing up the past? If I mention Herr Grunewalds little sleight of hand you go nuts. You're turning into a hypocrite Bill.
[quote][p][bold]Bill Bradbury[/bold] wrote: helphopeAcademy--- I did not make any political point apart from witnessing 45 years of political interference and Mike Perry very very late in this review all he had to say was Blair brought in Academies, which I opposed at the time but there is a world of difference between Labour/LA supported Academies and what we have now but brought in on the back of PFI/BSF which I also opposed as those who were at Forums would witness. Mike will jump at anything that Labour does as he was expelled from the party some years ago, an issue he has never forgotten. Apart from that point helphope most of your comment makes sense..[/p][/quote]I thought you said there was no point bringing up the past? If I mention Herr Grunewalds little sleight of hand you go nuts. You're turning into a hypocrite Bill. barrie timpson
  • Score: 0

4:44pm Tue 11 Mar 14

M_Addams says...

Seems the Star are censoring this thread quite heavily
Seems the Star are censoring this thread quite heavily M_Addams
  • Score: 3

5:31pm Tue 11 Mar 14

annie1275 says...

According to the kids he has been in school today.
According to the kids he has been in school today. annie1275
  • Score: -5

6:39pm Tue 11 Mar 14

voiceod says...

Barrie Timpson because it's a vocation, one she enjoys. Helping children learnis rewarding. Her results speak volumes. If teachers didn't put up with the less than perfect conditions because of their dedication and enjoyment of the job then they would be average joes which make rubbish teachers.

Out of all that was said in that post you picked up on bricklaying? Speaks volumes.
Barrie Timpson because it's a vocation, one she enjoys. Helping children learnis rewarding. Her results speak volumes. If teachers didn't put up with the less than perfect conditions because of their dedication and enjoyment of the job then they would be average joes which make rubbish teachers. Out of all that was said in that post you picked up on bricklaying? Speaks volumes. voiceod
  • Score: 5

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