Electric changes pile on the agony for those living near St Helens railway

St Helens Star: Angry residents with Cllr Jeff Fletcher Angry residents with Cllr Jeff Fletcher

RESIDENTS living near the railway running through Haresfinch and Laffak aren’t happy with the view of the switchover from diesel to electric power.

They gathered to voice concerns when large steel stanchions appeared alongside their homes as part of the national rail electrification project and almost everyone in Finchley Drive signed a petition condemning the work.

Kath Littler, who has lived in the Drive since the houses were built 18 years ago, told the Star: “The stanchions they have put up are monstrous. Down south where there is housing near the line they put in lower ones.

"I’m all for progress but I’m shocked at what they’ve erected. Going towards the town centre the stanchions are like pylons, it’s like stepping back in time.

“There has been no communication, no consideration and we’ll get no compensation. It has totally spoiled our nice woodland view. We’ve been told the stanchions won’t be painted or camouflaged and there must be no vegetation within three metres of the stanchions - well our house is closer to them than that!”

Moss Bank ward Cllr Paul Lynch told the Star: “I’m deeply disappointed in the actions of Network Rail in this instance. A particular concern of mine is the public safety impact, especially with regards to the gas main nearby.

“Residents have informed Network Rail that they regularly smell gas coming from the main, and that the electrical field from the power lines may be dangerous. Sadly, they’ve had no response, and I’ve therefore requested a Health and Safety assessment from the Council’s own investigators to check the area.”

Cllr John Fulham, one of the borough’s representatives on the Merseyside Passenger Transport Authority, said: “We fought hard to get the line electrified, as it will lead to quicker, more frequent and less polluting train journeys.

“Residents are worried and need reassurance that Network Rail will progress safely.”

Their view was also supported by Cllr Jeff Fletcher who said: “As far as I am concerned, Network Rail has a duty to come and explain their actions to the people of Moss Bank. I’ve therefore invited them to come and meet with the residents and discuss this issue further.

“There has been no real consultation. We do fully understand why Network Rail want to do it but it seems it is a case of ‘this is it – you’re having it’. Basically the residents have been fobbed -off.

“They have done research and seen less obtrusive pylons which although they are going to be screened will remain battleship grey.”

A Network Rail spokesman said: "This work is part of a £400m electrification programme across the north west of England which will provide a better railway for millions of passengers every year.

"As with any work we do, safety comes first. Because of utilities close to the railway we have had to use wider stanchions to support the overhead wires as we cannot build foundations in certain areas. We have engaged with local authorities to discuss the work and have been in contact with local residents and councillors.

"Alongside our commitment to provide a better and more efficient railway, we do all we can to minimise disruption and the impact the railway has on the environment. Anyone who has any questions should call our national helpline on 08457 114 141."

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8:41am Fri 7 Feb 14

furnessvale1 says...

Sad to say, I have rarely read as much rubbish as these complaints. "Down south" they use exactly the same overhead equipment. What they ALSO have down south are extremely dangerous electrified third rails which, apart from being banned for new installations, would cause outrage if fitted here.

I wondered what was happening until I read the magic word, COMPENSATION, then I realised.
Sad to say, I have rarely read as much rubbish as these complaints. "Down south" they use exactly the same overhead equipment. What they ALSO have down south are extremely dangerous electrified third rails which, apart from being banned for new installations, would cause outrage if fitted here. I wondered what was happening until I read the magic word, COMPENSATION, then I realised. furnessvale1
  • Score: 41

10:17am Fri 7 Feb 14

smith&weston says...

Lets get some thing absolutely clear here. There will not be more frequent journeys as suggested by Cllr John Fulham, one of the borough’s representatives on the Merseyside Passenger Transport Authority. They do not have the extra rolling stock to enable an increase in the number of trains using the line. As for quicker, we are talking about 6 to 8 minutes reduction in overall journey time from start to finish. WOW!.. life changing.
Lets get some thing absolutely clear here. There will not be more frequent journeys as suggested by Cllr John Fulham, one of the borough’s representatives on the Merseyside Passenger Transport Authority. They do not have the extra rolling stock to enable an increase in the number of trains using the line. As for quicker, we are talking about 6 to 8 minutes reduction in overall journey time from start to finish. WOW!.. life changing. smith&weston
  • Score: -22

10:36am Fri 7 Feb 14

fatherjessup says...

Yet another bunch of moaning minnies with one eye on the compensation culture that has permeated our society. They will always have something to whinge about when progress rears its "scary" head
Yet another bunch of moaning minnies with one eye on the compensation culture that has permeated our society. They will always have something to whinge about when progress rears its "scary" head fatherjessup
  • Score: 24

10:45am Fri 7 Feb 14

ConcernedResident1 says...

I am a resident along this track and I don't want any compensation, I want Network rail to use the smaller less visible stanchions like they have in locations "down south" (for you Furnessvale1!). Imagine living in a place with the most gorgeous view and then waking up one morning opening the curtains and finding a massive metal monstrosity just behind your fence right in the middle of your view, not even between fences! 18 years gone over night, and the fact that there is a constant gas leak where they are installing electrical wiring and ignoring this concern by all the residents in the area is just insane!

It would seem the only "moaning Minnie's" (for you fatherjessup) here are those of you judging without knowing the situation.
I am a resident along this track and I don't want any compensation, I want Network rail to use the smaller less visible stanchions like they have in locations "down south" (for you Furnessvale1!). Imagine living in a place with the most gorgeous view and then waking up one morning opening the curtains and finding a massive metal monstrosity just behind your fence right in the middle of your view, not even between fences! 18 years gone over night, and the fact that there is a constant gas leak where they are installing electrical wiring and ignoring this concern by all the residents in the area is just insane! It would seem the only "moaning Minnie's" (for you fatherjessup) here are those of you judging without knowing the situation. ConcernedResident1
  • Score: -11

6:25pm Fri 7 Feb 14

fatherjessup says...

ConcernedResident1 wrote:
I am a resident along this track and I don't want any compensation, I want Network rail to use the smaller less visible stanchions like they have in locations "down south" (for you Furnessvale1!). Imagine living in a place with the most gorgeous view and then waking up one morning opening the curtains and finding a massive metal monstrosity just behind your fence right in the middle of your view, not even between fences! 18 years gone over night, and the fact that there is a constant gas leak where they are installing electrical wiring and ignoring this concern by all the residents in the area is just insane!

It would seem the only "moaning Minnie's" (for you fatherjessup) here are those of you judging without knowing the situation.
Things dont always go the way we would like in this life and i feel sorry for you if all you have to worry about is a couple of stanchions blighting your pastoral scenery. Think for a moment about the poor sods who like you have been in their houses for many years and through no fault of their own are having to leave their beloved homes because of recent "bedroom tax" legislation, i'll bet they never expected that either.
O.k. maybe you own your home and would not apply to you. Turn on your TV and see hundreds of other poor sods with their homes flooded livelyhoods trashed and desperate for help. It makes your stanchions pale into the insignificance that they represent. Be thankful its all you have to stare at in the morning instead of six feet of water. Sleep well.
[quote][p][bold]ConcernedResident1[/bold] wrote: I am a resident along this track and I don't want any compensation, I want Network rail to use the smaller less visible stanchions like they have in locations "down south" (for you Furnessvale1!). Imagine living in a place with the most gorgeous view and then waking up one morning opening the curtains and finding a massive metal monstrosity just behind your fence right in the middle of your view, not even between fences! 18 years gone over night, and the fact that there is a constant gas leak where they are installing electrical wiring and ignoring this concern by all the residents in the area is just insane! It would seem the only "moaning Minnie's" (for you fatherjessup) here are those of you judging without knowing the situation.[/p][/quote]Things dont always go the way we would like in this life and i feel sorry for you if all you have to worry about is a couple of stanchions blighting your pastoral scenery. Think for a moment about the poor sods who like you have been in their houses for many years and through no fault of their own are having to leave their beloved homes because of recent "bedroom tax" legislation, i'll bet they never expected that either. O.k. maybe you own your home and would not apply to you. Turn on your TV and see hundreds of other poor sods with their homes flooded livelyhoods trashed and desperate for help. It makes your stanchions pale into the insignificance that they represent. Be thankful its all you have to stare at in the morning instead of six feet of water. Sleep well. fatherjessup
  • Score: 21

8:23pm Fri 7 Feb 14

rlfan75 says...

I drive trains from the north west to down south and I'm yet to see any delicate, beautifully designed overhead wires that are smaller than these. They're the same or bigger. Why do people move near railway lines and then moan about what the railway is doing? Especially when the line was there first.
I drive trains from the north west to down south and I'm yet to see any delicate, beautifully designed overhead wires that are smaller than these. They're the same or bigger. Why do people move near railway lines and then moan about what the railway is doing? Especially when the line was there first. rlfan75
  • Score: 39

12:55am Sat 8 Feb 14

Keva68 says...

The vapor trails off aircraft passing overhead are ruining my view of the blue sky i want compensation.
The vapor trails off aircraft passing overhead are ruining my view of the blue sky i want compensation. Keva68
  • Score: 29

9:20am Sat 8 Feb 14

smith&weston says...

smith&weston wrote:
Lets get some thing absolutely clear here. There will not be more frequent journeys as suggested by Cllr John Fulham, one of the borough’s representatives on the Merseyside Passenger Transport Authority. They do not have the extra rolling stock to enable an increase in the number of trains using the line. As for quicker, we are talking about 6 to 8 minutes reduction in overall journey time from start to finish. WOW!.. life changing.
So you know different then thumb downers? Why not take the trouble to find out how little benefit there will be to rail users from the electrification of this line or would that be too difficult. It's amazing the hoops house owners have to jump through when it comes to planning laws and their property yet Network Rail can despoil large areas with these pylons with impunity.
[quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: Lets get some thing absolutely clear here. There will not be more frequent journeys as suggested by Cllr John Fulham, one of the borough’s representatives on the Merseyside Passenger Transport Authority. They do not have the extra rolling stock to enable an increase in the number of trains using the line. As for quicker, we are talking about 6 to 8 minutes reduction in overall journey time from start to finish. WOW!.. life changing.[/p][/quote]So you know different then thumb downers? Why not take the trouble to find out how little benefit there will be to rail users from the electrification of this line or would that be too difficult. It's amazing the hoops house owners have to jump through when it comes to planning laws and their property yet Network Rail can despoil large areas with these pylons with impunity. smith&weston
  • Score: -18

11:07am Sat 8 Feb 14

barfle says...

Given the weather conditions this winter I'm all in favour of the overhead equipment being as solid as possible. Better that than a live cable in your garden. Over on the East Coast Main Line the electrification was notoriously done on the cheap and there's a lot of disruption to services when it's windy. What you'll get here is a quieter less polluting train service, so stop moaning.
Given the weather conditions this winter I'm all in favour of the overhead equipment being as solid as possible. Better that than a live cable in your garden. Over on the East Coast Main Line the electrification was notoriously done on the cheap and there's a lot of disruption to services when it's windy. What you'll get here is a quieter less polluting train service, so stop moaning. barfle
  • Score: 24

2:21pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Hubert Huffnagel says...

What sort of money would we be talking about to shut you all up?
What sort of money would we be talking about to shut you all up? Hubert Huffnagel
  • Score: 13

4:19pm Sat 8 Feb 14

RicPou says...

These are lightweight masts and your paper must be desperate for a story. My local line cant wait for our masts and wires to go up on the last line in North London still diesel. Some of the girders they use are far more ugly than these two uprights!
These residents are bonkers as this is a major improvement to their local railway, or perhaps they don't use trains. Plant a row of poplar trees but not to close to the line because of the leaves problem. Then again perhaps not.
What do they want? Green paint which goes rusty and peels off?
These are lightweight masts and your paper must be desperate for a story. My local line cant wait for our masts and wires to go up on the last line in North London still diesel. Some of the girders they use are far more ugly than these two uprights! These residents are bonkers as this is a major improvement to their local railway, or perhaps they don't use trains. Plant a row of poplar trees but not to close to the line because of the leaves problem. Then again perhaps not. What do they want? Green paint which goes rusty and peels off? RicPou
  • Score: 9

4:32pm Sat 8 Feb 14

RicPou says...

Responding to one of the comments above, instead of the grotty 30 year old Pacer diesels used on some lines, and most trains only two coaches, the new or in some cases rebuilt vtrains will have 4 coaches and better seating. If the passenger numbers continue to increase, they will have to put on extra trains. Half hourly is a reasonable local service, every 20 or 15 minutes would be better. But for this upgrade you will get better trains than the Rail-Bus Pacers operating now.
Responding to one of the comments above, instead of the grotty 30 year old Pacer diesels used on some lines, and most trains only two coaches, the new or in some cases rebuilt vtrains will have 4 coaches and better seating. If the passenger numbers continue to increase, they will have to put on extra trains. Half hourly is a reasonable local service, every 20 or 15 minutes would be better. But for this upgrade you will get better trains than the Rail-Bus Pacers operating now. RicPou
  • Score: 13

5:55pm Sat 8 Feb 14

keepitreel says...

you have got to love these people,they buy a house near a rail line then moan because they are improving the transport links for everyone,what is the compensation for i wonder and i pressume the cllr mentioned is a LABOUR one and he should be ashamed to be used in this manner,this is progress and i fear this is why this town is like it is if we have cllr's who for a few local votes will not tell the residents im sorry but i think the electrification is a great idea,what will they say when the planned station is built???
you have got to love these people,they buy a house near a rail line then moan because they are improving the transport links for everyone,what is the compensation for i wonder and i pressume the cllr mentioned is a LABOUR one and he should be ashamed to be used in this manner,this is progress and i fear this is why this town is like it is if we have cllr's who for a few local votes will not tell the residents im sorry but i think the electrification is a great idea,what will they say when the planned station is built??? keepitreel
  • Score: 12

12:22am Sun 9 Feb 14

OutragedResident says...

As a resident who backs onto this railway line, I would like you all to get your facts right. I don't want any compensation! I'm not a money grabber like most people would be. The real issue for us is the fact that we have major gas issues on our street. Last time I checked, gas and electrical sparks don't mix well together. Also we had no communication from network rail, especially when they have put two of these stanchions right outside my garden fence. I bought this house knowing I was backing onto a railway and I enjoy watching the trains go past. I don't enjoy the disrespect of a company who thinks they can put these up without even informing us of such changes. When I wanted to build an extension, I had to jump through numerous hoops to get the go ahead. Why shouldn't they have to respect us? I'm all for progress but notice of said work and lower stanchions like they have down south would be more appropriate. I can imagine if the shoe was on the other foot you would be outraged too. So in future get your facts right before commenting!!!
As a resident who backs onto this railway line, I would like you all to get your facts right. I don't want any compensation! I'm not a money grabber like most people would be. The real issue for us is the fact that we have major gas issues on our street. Last time I checked, gas and electrical sparks don't mix well together. Also we had no communication from network rail, especially when they have put two of these stanchions right outside my garden fence. I bought this house knowing I was backing onto a railway and I enjoy watching the trains go past. I don't enjoy the disrespect of a company who thinks they can put these up without even informing us of such changes. When I wanted to build an extension, I had to jump through numerous hoops to get the go ahead. Why shouldn't they have to respect us? I'm all for progress but notice of said work and lower stanchions like they have down south would be more appropriate. I can imagine if the shoe was on the other foot you would be outraged too. So in future get your facts right before commenting!!! OutragedResident
  • Score: 0

12:46am Sun 9 Feb 14

Keva68 says...

OutragedResident wrote:
As a resident who backs onto this railway line, I would like you all to get your facts right. I don't want any compensation! I'm not a money grabber like most people would be. The real issue for us is the fact that we have major gas issues on our street. Last time I checked, gas and electrical sparks don't mix well together. Also we had no communication from network rail, especially when they have put two of these stanchions right outside my garden fence. I bought this house knowing I was backing onto a railway and I enjoy watching the trains go past. I don't enjoy the disrespect of a company who thinks they can put these up without even informing us of such changes. When I wanted to build an extension, I had to jump through numerous hoops to get the go ahead. Why shouldn't they have to respect us? I'm all for progress but notice of said work and lower stanchions like they have down south would be more appropriate. I can imagine if the shoe was on the other foot you would be outraged too. So in future get your facts right before commenting!!!
1-If you have major gas issues in the street are you using your own electric if so whats the issue with the overhead cables.
2-They don't really need to communicate with you the land belongs to them to do with what they want to upgrade the lines.
3-The stanchions are standard sizes to accommodate the cable height.
4-The shoe wouldn't be on the other foot because i wouldn't buy a house backing on to a rail line as i am unhappy about trains going past my house they are very noisy.
5-On the plus side the electric ones may be more quiet
[quote][p][bold]OutragedResident[/bold] wrote: As a resident who backs onto this railway line, I would like you all to get your facts right. I don't want any compensation! I'm not a money grabber like most people would be. The real issue for us is the fact that we have major gas issues on our street. Last time I checked, gas and electrical sparks don't mix well together. Also we had no communication from network rail, especially when they have put two of these stanchions right outside my garden fence. I bought this house knowing I was backing onto a railway and I enjoy watching the trains go past. I don't enjoy the disrespect of a company who thinks they can put these up without even informing us of such changes. When I wanted to build an extension, I had to jump through numerous hoops to get the go ahead. Why shouldn't they have to respect us? I'm all for progress but notice of said work and lower stanchions like they have down south would be more appropriate. I can imagine if the shoe was on the other foot you would be outraged too. So in future get your facts right before commenting!!![/p][/quote]1-If you have major gas issues in the street are you using your own electric if so whats the issue with the overhead cables. 2-They don't really need to communicate with you the land belongs to them to do with what they want to upgrade the lines. 3-The stanchions are standard sizes to accommodate the cable height. 4-The shoe wouldn't be on the other foot because i wouldn't buy a house backing on to a rail line as i am unhappy about trains going past my house they are very noisy. 5-On the plus side the electric ones may be more quiet Keva68
  • Score: 11

11:07am Sun 9 Feb 14

Hollies Mummy says...

Was you living there before the railway ? Or did you move into your home knowing it was behind your house ? Just saying !!!!
Was you living there before the railway ? Or did you move into your home knowing it was behind your house ? Just saying !!!! Hollies Mummy
  • Score: 6

4:01pm Sun 9 Feb 14

rlfan75 says...

OutragedResident wrote:
As a resident who backs onto this railway line, I would like you all to get your facts right. I don't want any compensation! I'm not a money grabber like most people would be. The real issue for us is the fact that we have major gas issues on our street. Last time I checked, gas and electrical sparks don't mix well together. Also we had no communication from network rail, especially when they have put two of these stanchions right outside my garden fence. I bought this house knowing I was backing onto a railway and I enjoy watching the trains go past. I don't enjoy the disrespect of a company who thinks they can put these up without even informing us of such changes. When I wanted to build an extension, I had to jump through numerous hoops to get the go ahead. Why shouldn't they have to respect us? I'm all for progress but notice of said work and lower stanchions like they have down south would be more appropriate. I can imagine if the shoe was on the other foot you would be outraged too. So in future get your facts right before commenting!!!
As I've already said, they do NOT have smaller stanchions down south. The railway can also do what it needs to do in order to keep functioning without permission if it is already there (and isn't grade 2 listed) This includes electrification. Nothing would get repaired otherwise with nimbys stopping every last bit of work. The gas would have to directly leak on the wire to cause an explosion

As for smith & Weston, you're getting marked down because you're talking rubbish. Electric trains are quieter, breakdown a LOT less, do less damage to the track and are significantly quicker at both acceleration and braking. I drive both diesel and electric trains and the difference is incredible. The trains are on the way up here in the next 12 months so the stock does exist.
[quote][p][bold]OutragedResident[/bold] wrote: As a resident who backs onto this railway line, I would like you all to get your facts right. I don't want any compensation! I'm not a money grabber like most people would be. The real issue for us is the fact that we have major gas issues on our street. Last time I checked, gas and electrical sparks don't mix well together. Also we had no communication from network rail, especially when they have put two of these stanchions right outside my garden fence. I bought this house knowing I was backing onto a railway and I enjoy watching the trains go past. I don't enjoy the disrespect of a company who thinks they can put these up without even informing us of such changes. When I wanted to build an extension, I had to jump through numerous hoops to get the go ahead. Why shouldn't they have to respect us? I'm all for progress but notice of said work and lower stanchions like they have down south would be more appropriate. I can imagine if the shoe was on the other foot you would be outraged too. So in future get your facts right before commenting!!![/p][/quote]As I've already said, they do NOT have smaller stanchions down south. The railway can also do what it needs to do in order to keep functioning without permission if it is already there (and isn't grade 2 listed) This includes electrification. Nothing would get repaired otherwise with nimbys stopping every last bit of work. The gas would have to directly leak on the wire to cause an explosion As for smith & Weston, you're getting marked down because you're talking rubbish. Electric trains are quieter, breakdown a LOT less, do less damage to the track and are significantly quicker at both acceleration and braking. I drive both diesel and electric trains and the difference is incredible. The trains are on the way up here in the next 12 months so the stock does exist. rlfan75
  • Score: 14

8:54pm Sun 9 Feb 14

smith&weston says...

rlfan75 wrote:
OutragedResident wrote:
As a resident who backs onto this railway line, I would like you all to get your facts right. I don't want any compensation! I'm not a money grabber like most people would be. The real issue for us is the fact that we have major gas issues on our street. Last time I checked, gas and electrical sparks don't mix well together. Also we had no communication from network rail, especially when they have put two of these stanchions right outside my garden fence. I bought this house knowing I was backing onto a railway and I enjoy watching the trains go past. I don't enjoy the disrespect of a company who thinks they can put these up without even informing us of such changes. When I wanted to build an extension, I had to jump through numerous hoops to get the go ahead. Why shouldn't they have to respect us? I'm all for progress but notice of said work and lower stanchions like they have down south would be more appropriate. I can imagine if the shoe was on the other foot you would be outraged too. So in future get your facts right before commenting!!!
As I've already said, they do NOT have smaller stanchions down south. The railway can also do what it needs to do in order to keep functioning without permission if it is already there (and isn't grade 2 listed) This includes electrification. Nothing would get repaired otherwise with nimbys stopping every last bit of work. The gas would have to directly leak on the wire to cause an explosion

As for smith & Weston, you're getting marked down because you're talking rubbish. Electric trains are quieter, breakdown a LOT less, do less damage to the track and are significantly quicker at both acceleration and braking. I drive both diesel and electric trains and the difference is incredible. The trains are on the way up here in the next 12 months so the stock does exist.
You drive trains yet you seem to have difficulty reading... good reason for keeping off trains in my view.
The point you are turning your blind eye to is the fact that this electrification has been sold on the basis of cutting journey times. Wow, a whole 8 minutes off the entire run. There will NOT be extra services so we aren't going to jump from two trains an hour to four trains. As for the wonders of electric lines, look no further than our very own West Coast line which is frequently shut due to damage to the overhead power lines, some times for days at a time.
[quote][p][bold]rlfan75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OutragedResident[/bold] wrote: As a resident who backs onto this railway line, I would like you all to get your facts right. I don't want any compensation! I'm not a money grabber like most people would be. The real issue for us is the fact that we have major gas issues on our street. Last time I checked, gas and electrical sparks don't mix well together. Also we had no communication from network rail, especially when they have put two of these stanchions right outside my garden fence. I bought this house knowing I was backing onto a railway and I enjoy watching the trains go past. I don't enjoy the disrespect of a company who thinks they can put these up without even informing us of such changes. When I wanted to build an extension, I had to jump through numerous hoops to get the go ahead. Why shouldn't they have to respect us? I'm all for progress but notice of said work and lower stanchions like they have down south would be more appropriate. I can imagine if the shoe was on the other foot you would be outraged too. So in future get your facts right before commenting!!![/p][/quote]As I've already said, they do NOT have smaller stanchions down south. The railway can also do what it needs to do in order to keep functioning without permission if it is already there (and isn't grade 2 listed) This includes electrification. Nothing would get repaired otherwise with nimbys stopping every last bit of work. The gas would have to directly leak on the wire to cause an explosion As for smith & Weston, you're getting marked down because you're talking rubbish. Electric trains are quieter, breakdown a LOT less, do less damage to the track and are significantly quicker at both acceleration and braking. I drive both diesel and electric trains and the difference is incredible. The trains are on the way up here in the next 12 months so the stock does exist.[/p][/quote]You drive trains yet you seem to have difficulty reading... good reason for keeping off trains in my view. The point you are turning your blind eye to is the fact that this electrification has been sold on the basis of cutting journey times. Wow, a whole 8 minutes off the entire run. There will NOT be extra services so we aren't going to jump from two trains an hour to four trains. As for the wonders of electric lines, look no further than our very own West Coast line which is frequently shut due to damage to the overhead power lines, some times for days at a time. smith&weston
  • Score: -19

7:45am Mon 10 Feb 14

rlfan75 says...

If.you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd know there are currently 3 trains an hour from St helens Central or Junction to lime st. But facts aren't your strong point.

There isnt a timetable for the electric service yet so how can there be an 8 minute time saving on whatever route your talking about?

It is being done for environmental, maintenence and cost saving reasons, not just time saving.

When has the west coast been shut for days due to overhead damage? I go over it most days and never known the entire service be stopped for days at a time. Network Rail might want to know this too. This story has been posted on a number of railway forums and you might want to be ready to back up your statement

Finally thanks for you concern about my eyesight. My optician is happy enough so I'll trust his professional judgement thanks.
If.you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd know there are currently 3 trains an hour from St helens Central or Junction to lime st. But facts aren't your strong point. There isnt a timetable for the electric service yet so how can there be an 8 minute time saving on whatever route your talking about? It is being done for environmental, maintenence and cost saving reasons, not just time saving. When has the west coast been shut for days due to overhead damage? I go over it most days and never known the entire service be stopped for days at a time. Network Rail might want to know this too. This story has been posted on a number of railway forums and you might want to be ready to back up your statement Finally thanks for you concern about my eyesight. My optician is happy enough so I'll trust his professional judgement thanks. rlfan75
  • Score: 16

11:31am Mon 10 Feb 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Well they had better take them down and cancel the electrification of the NW lines. The fact that this stretch of line is on a bend and unfortunately the type of pylons that have been put up are necessary to make the wire go around a corner. On straighter lines it would be of a smaller type.
Always someone objecting to progress and an eye on local elections!??
Well they had better take them down and cancel the electrification of the NW lines. The fact that this stretch of line is on a bend and unfortunately the type of pylons that have been put up are necessary to make the wire go around a corner. On straighter lines it would be of a smaller type. Always someone objecting to progress and an eye on local elections!?? Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 8

1:18pm Mon 10 Feb 14

startwatcher says...

I think that more rational views may be obtained by readers if they take a look at this website. It gives a rundown with regular updates about the electrification works and the trains that will take over when the works are completed.


http://www.nw-sparks
.co.uk/index.shtml
I think that more rational views may be obtained by readers if they take a look at this website. It gives a rundown with regular updates about the electrification works and the trains that will take over when the works are completed. http://www.nw-sparks .co.uk/index.shtml startwatcher
  • Score: 10

3:20pm Mon 10 Feb 14

And Justice For All says...

Come on now, it's not as if these things are wrecking a structure of International Importance, ie the Skew Bridge in Rainhill. They've made a real mess of it already and it's not finished.
Yes these stantions may appear unsightly, but like anything new, its just a case of getting used to them. As many others have said, if you (choo) choose to live by a railway line then you must be prepared to live with the evolution of transport
Come on now, it's not as if these things are wrecking a structure of International Importance, ie the Skew Bridge in Rainhill. They've made a real mess of it already and it's not finished. Yes these stantions may appear unsightly, but like anything new, its just a case of getting used to them. As many others have said, if you (choo) choose to live by a railway line then you must be prepared to live with the evolution of transport And Justice For All
  • Score: 10

1:14am Wed 12 Feb 14

WolfieSmith says...

Not long ago I read in a national paper that the UK is struggling with its overall electricity supply. If this is the case, why are we electrifying anything?
Could it be that the government is 'only carrying out orders' from the fuhrers of the EUSSR?
Not long ago I read in a national paper that the UK is struggling with its overall electricity supply. If this is the case, why are we electrifying anything? Could it be that the government is 'only carrying out orders' from the fuhrers of the EUSSR? WolfieSmith
  • Score: -8

4:28am Thu 13 Feb 14

smith&weston says...

'Replacement bus service running on Virgin Trains between Liverpool Lime Street and Crewe due to overhead line problems at Crewe. Following the poor weather on Thursday in which the overhead lines were damaged, repairs continue this morning. Virgin Trains expect services to be disrupted until around 10:00. Also affecting London Midland.'

From todays travel section of the Star. I rest my case.
'Replacement bus service running on Virgin Trains between Liverpool Lime Street and Crewe due to overhead line problems at Crewe. Following the poor weather on Thursday in which the overhead lines were damaged, repairs continue this morning. Virgin Trains expect services to be disrupted until around 10:00. Also affecting London Midland.' From todays travel section of the Star. I rest my case. smith&weston
  • Score: -5

5:14pm Thu 13 Feb 14

mostly says...

There is an alternative to electric pylons.
What I'm suggesting is 100% Organic and solar powered. The locomotives utilise the power from clean, nonpolluting sunlight to raise pure water to 100 Celsius and about 200psi. This superheated steam can power a large locomotive and a dozen coaches at 126mph. The waste products from the process are pure water, essential plant nutrient dioxide of Carbon and small amounts of organic material.

The solar energy has been captured through the 100% natural process of photosynthesis producing wood. Through a long natural intensification process under heat and pressure much of this solar power is locked up in concentrated black rock like form that releases huge amounts of solar energy by controlled combustion.

There are deposits of this black rock to be found hereabouts, Haydock, Park side, Sutton for example. The Welsh were particularly known for the "steam" qualities of their black solar energy rocks and the fine quality of their male coral singing.

It is my hope that you may find the suggestion suitably eco- friendly.
There is an alternative to electric pylons. What I'm suggesting is 100% Organic and solar powered. The locomotives utilise the power from clean, nonpolluting sunlight to raise pure water to 100 Celsius and about 200psi. This superheated steam can power a large locomotive and a dozen coaches at 126mph. The waste products from the process are pure water, essential plant nutrient dioxide of Carbon and small amounts of organic material. The solar energy has been captured through the 100% natural process of photosynthesis producing wood. Through a long natural intensification process under heat and pressure much of this solar power is locked up in concentrated black rock like form that releases huge amounts of solar energy by controlled combustion. There are deposits of this black rock to be found hereabouts, Haydock, Park side, Sutton for example. The Welsh were particularly known for the "steam" qualities of their black solar energy rocks and the fine quality of their male coral singing. It is my hope that you may find the suggestion suitably eco- friendly. mostly
  • Score: -1

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