Multi-million pound development at West Point in St Helens to start next month

St Helens Star: Vision: A 3D model of how the new development at the former St Thomas’s Square site could appear Vision: A 3D model of how the new development at the former St Thomas’s Square site could appear

WORK will begin next month on a multi-million pound shopping and leisure development on the edge of St Helens town centre, it has been confirmed.

Plans for West Point, the site of the former St Thomas’ Square flats, should finally be realised after a decade of false dawns.

The development will involve an Aldi store, bowling alley, café and restaurants. It is believed talks are also ongoing with a 24 hour gym operator.

In what will be regarded as an economic lift for the town, the complex – which has secured planning permission - is expected to provide up to 280 full time jobs.

There will be 230 car parking spaces and a new puffin crossing will be created close to the St Helens Linkway West roundabout.

The Star reported last year how Orbit Developments, part of The Emerson Group, had resurrected the plans.

The company has entered into a development agreement with St Helens Council to redevelop the site, which has become an eyesore over the past 10 years.

The council – which has been criticised by some people for allowing the town to fall behind neighbouring areas’ - believes it “will significantly enhance the retail and leisure offer in St Helens”.

Council leader Barrie Grunewald said: “The scheme represents a positive step forward after many false dawns on this site.

“This development will now become a reality with quality investment in the town centre on a site that has been left derelict for a very significant period of time.

“The proposed bowling alley, cafe and restaurants supplement existing uses in the locality and in particular complement the cinema on the opposite side of Linkway West.”

"Orbit Developments, in conjunction with the Council have worked hard to bring this development to life and I am delighted that work will commence on the site in February."

Paul Hubball, senior development manager for Orbit Developments, said: “It has been a pleasure working with such a proactive and forward thinking council where private sector investment is welcomed as a key driver for redevelopment.

“This scheme has stalled on a number of occasions but with a patient and realistic approach we have now made a significant step forward in making the delivery of the project a reality."

Orbit has entered into an agreement for lease with Aldi for the food store and are in discussions with a bowling operator and a number of restaurant chains, which do not have an existing presence in St Helens

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8:10am Thu 23 Jan 14

barrie timpson says...

I suppose I welcome this , anything is better than the eyesore there is now , but we already have an aldi? we already have tons of restaurants wont this just shut the ones in town? We had a bowling alley - it closed because nobody was going !

Why have another gym when one has just closed due to to much competition??
I can't help but think the local retailers might be a bit worried about this , and it's just more of the same again. Why can't we attract some of the bigger names??

Still well done to Mr grunewald for finally getting something there.
I suppose I welcome this , anything is better than the eyesore there is now , but we already have an aldi? we already have tons of restaurants wont this just shut the ones in town? We had a bowling alley - it closed because nobody was going ! Why have another gym when one has just closed due to to much competition?? I can't help but think the local retailers might be a bit worried about this , and it's just more of the same again. Why can't we attract some of the bigger names?? Still well done to Mr grunewald for finally getting something there. barrie timpson
  • Score: 5

8:30am Thu 23 Jan 14

dr.robert says...

Le Frog Nando's and Colours aren't what I would call tons of restaurants. Great news this, more choice for everyone and will hopefully attract a buyer for Buzbys.
Le Frog Nando's and Colours aren't what I would call tons of restaurants. Great news this, more choice for everyone and will hopefully attract a buyer for Buzbys. dr.robert
  • Score: 2

8:33am Thu 23 Jan 14

barrie timpson says...

But there isn't just those three is there Dr?
But there isn't just those three is there Dr? barrie timpson
  • Score: -1

8:40am Thu 23 Jan 14

dr.robert says...

I'm struggling to think of any other decent town centre restaurants sorry as I don't count pubs or fast food outlets. We have some pretty good Indian and Chinese restaurants though. A quality Italian would be appreciated.
I'm struggling to think of any other decent town centre restaurants sorry as I don't count pubs or fast food outlets. We have some pretty good Indian and Chinese restaurants though. A quality Italian would be appreciated. dr.robert
  • Score: 7

8:53am Thu 23 Jan 14

barrie timpson says...

The limmasol , 3 all you can eat chinese , 2or 3 Indian restaurants , The Turkish grill on Duke st , The Tapas in the met quarter , Pacifica , Larkins, Rubino . That's just off the top of my head.

We already have an Aldi , as for gyms there's Gym Bug , Exercise for less , HAMMA , KSF kettle fit , AD bodytech ,Fitness 500

here's a link to the problem http://www.sthelenss
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and I quote "With monthly memberships from just £9.99, Xercise4Less will add to the town’s already competitive health and fitness industry – a problem which led to the closure of Central Fitness, on Duke Street, in July, and the imminent closure of St Helens College’s The Gym."

So that leaves us with the bowling alley , we had one - but it closed to due to trouble and lack of use.
The limmasol , 3 all you can eat chinese , 2or 3 Indian restaurants , The Turkish grill on Duke st , The Tapas in the met quarter , Pacifica , Larkins, Rubino . That's just off the top of my head. We already have an Aldi , as for gyms there's Gym Bug , Exercise for less , HAMMA , KSF kettle fit , AD bodytech ,Fitness 500 here's a link to the problem http://www.sthelenss tar.co.uk/news/10723 549.Budget_gym_will_ add_to_the_squeeze_i n_crowded_fitness_in dustry/?ref=rss and I quote "With monthly memberships from just £9.99, Xercise4Less will add to the town’s already competitive health and fitness industry – a problem which led to the closure of Central Fitness, on Duke Street, in July, and the imminent closure of St Helens College’s The Gym." So that leaves us with the bowling alley , we had one - but it closed to due to trouble and lack of use. barrie timpson
  • Score: 5

11:24am Thu 23 Jan 14

AiJay1 says...

This is a decision that has comeotoo late. I agree with what Barrie has said in every post. The only hope with this plan is that the bowling takes off unlike last time, but they need to keep their prices down or it wont.

Why can't we attract the bigger shops that people have to travel to liverpool or manchester to go to? There's too many discount shops in the centre now.

My worry with this Aldi is that it'll close the one near Morrisons.. And another bigger worry is that all of these little retail parks just outside the town centre are dragging people away from there.

In my opinion once this site is done, renovate the already existing town markets and spend a bit of money for once to get the bigger shops back and prevent people from shopping out of town.
This is a decision that has comeotoo late. I agree with what Barrie has said in every post. The only hope with this plan is that the bowling takes off unlike last time, but they need to keep their prices down or it wont. Why can't we attract the bigger shops that people have to travel to liverpool or manchester to go to? There's too many discount shops in the centre now. My worry with this Aldi is that it'll close the one near Morrisons.. And another bigger worry is that all of these little retail parks just outside the town centre are dragging people away from there. In my opinion once this site is done, renovate the already existing town markets and spend a bit of money for once to get the bigger shops back and prevent people from shopping out of town. AiJay1
  • Score: 13

2:58pm Thu 23 Jan 14

smith&weston says...

So what are the plans for the derelict town centre that will follow this when it's finished. I love the the fact that the word restaurants is used when what they really mean is fast food outlet. Nobody with an ounce of business acumen is going to plant an award winning eatery in the grot spot that this site occupies with it's stunning views of the nearby Pizza Hut , post office sorting building or social housing.
So what are the plans for the derelict town centre that will follow this when it's finished. I love the the fact that the word restaurants is used when what they really mean is fast food outlet. Nobody with an ounce of business acumen is going to plant an award winning eatery in the grot spot that this site occupies with it's stunning views of the nearby Pizza Hut , post office sorting building or social housing. smith&weston
  • Score: 8

5:03pm Thu 23 Jan 14

jumperr says...

I think we should get Eric Pickles on this
I think we should get Eric Pickles on this jumperr
  • Score: 2

5:06pm Thu 23 Jan 14

frankly says...

I suggest a multi storey McDonalds..
I suggest a multi storey McDonalds.. frankly
  • Score: 4

5:11pm Thu 23 Jan 14

jumperr says...

skate board area I totally agree that the youngsters need somewhere to play or do what teenagers do
skate board area I totally agree that the youngsters need somewhere to play or do what teenagers do jumperr
  • Score: 7

5:28pm Thu 23 Jan 14

barrie timpson says...

There's already 4 skate parks within a frogs winnit of town.
There's already 4 skate parks within a frogs winnit of town. barrie timpson
  • Score: 3

6:09pm Thu 23 Jan 14

It's all a blur says...

A lot of people in the past have mentioned a Primark being good for the town, a shop people usually have to travel to if they want anything from there as there isn't one nearby.
A lot of people in the past have mentioned a Primark being good for the town, a shop people usually have to travel to if they want anything from there as there isn't one nearby. It's all a blur
  • Score: 9

8:47pm Thu 23 Jan 14

ste64 says...

Warrington has got a Primark its not to far away from St.Helens
Warrington has got a Primark its not to far away from St.Helens ste64
  • Score: 2

9:41pm Thu 23 Jan 14

barrie timpson says...

I don't think St Helens is big enough for a Primark. Besides as it says above , there's one in Warrington and one in Liverpool. Missed the boat on that one.
I don't think St Helens is big enough for a Primark. Besides as it says above , there's one in Warrington and one in Liverpool. Missed the boat on that one. barrie timpson
  • Score: -2

11:44pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Bill Bradbury says...

The usual negative comments. I despair. It is being developed so do you want the current eyesore or do you not? No wonder this town is considered by some as "down and out" when all some can do is offer a bagfull of criticism every time.
Mind you if it was a Tory council it would be wonderful news.
The usual negative comments. I despair. It is being developed so do you want the current eyesore or do you not? No wonder this town is considered by some as "down and out" when all some can do is offer a bagfull of criticism every time. Mind you if it was a Tory council it would be wonderful news. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 3

5:55am Fri 24 Jan 14

Erics_protege says...

I think this is great news. You have to start somewhere, the key is what's next.

Widnes's leisure park is great now, the bowling alley, ice rink and cinema are small retailers not the usual giants, they keep prices low and seem to be doing well. People travel to there from St Helens.

I agree that some big names are needed. St Helens is big enough if you bring in the right retailer and provide free parking, again, look at M&S, New Look, River Island etc in Widnes.

The B&Q & Curry's retail park at St Helens is rammed at weekends.

There are plenty of people in town and neighbouring places they just need somewhere to park and somewhere nice to walk around, get a coffee etc. Unfortunately the town centre has horrible car parks, worse shops and the cast of every channel 4 fly on the wall documentary hanging around. Phase 2 of this plan should be to level the multi storey's and all of the 60's style shops and build modern town centre shops around the better looking buildings.
I think this is great news. You have to start somewhere, the key is what's next. Widnes's leisure park is great now, the bowling alley, ice rink and cinema are small retailers not the usual giants, they keep prices low and seem to be doing well. People travel to there from St Helens. I agree that some big names are needed. St Helens is big enough if you bring in the right retailer and provide free parking, again, look at M&S, New Look, River Island etc in Widnes. The B&Q & Curry's retail park at St Helens is rammed at weekends. There are plenty of people in town and neighbouring places they just need somewhere to park and somewhere nice to walk around, get a coffee etc. Unfortunately the town centre has horrible car parks, worse shops and the cast of every channel 4 fly on the wall documentary hanging around. Phase 2 of this plan should be to level the multi storey's and all of the 60's style shops and build modern town centre shops around the better looking buildings. Erics_protege
  • Score: 17

7:00am Fri 24 Jan 14

DeeJay says...

I didn't know there was an Aldi near Morrisons but there's one at Peasley Cross retail park, one in Haydock and one in Clock Face do we really need another?
Good to see something will finally be built though.
I didn't know there was an Aldi near Morrisons but there's one at Peasley Cross retail park, one in Haydock and one in Clock Face do we really need another? Good to see something will finally be built though. DeeJay
  • Score: 2

9:42am Fri 24 Jan 14

barrie timpson says...

There's negativity Bill , and not without reason. Yes it's good that something is going there , but it's also a fat load of what we've already got !
There's negativity Bill , and not without reason. Yes it's good that something is going there , but it's also a fat load of what we've already got ! barrie timpson
  • Score: 6

10:38am Fri 24 Jan 14

Bill Bradbury says...

barrie timpson wrote:
There's negativity Bill , and not without reason. Yes it's good that something is going there , but it's also a fat load of what we've already got !
Barrie I just can't understand negativity. As to what goes there my preferences may be not everyone's, eg Primark I never visit neither MacDonalds. As I visit a lot of Towns I often get depressed by the similarity to shopping Malls I see everywhere with all the "usual suspects" in them. Went to Northwich this week and what a building site it is with roads that lead to nowhere or around in circles. Bury appears to be a vast car park with a vast market and the shopping Malls over the road.
[quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: There's negativity Bill , and not without reason. Yes it's good that something is going there , but it's also a fat load of what we've already got ![/p][/quote]Barrie I just can't understand negativity. As to what goes there my preferences may be not everyone's, eg Primark I never visit neither MacDonalds. As I visit a lot of Towns I often get depressed by the similarity to shopping Malls I see everywhere with all the "usual suspects" in them. Went to Northwich this week and what a building site it is with roads that lead to nowhere or around in circles. Bury appears to be a vast car park with a vast market and the shopping Malls over the road. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 4

12:54pm Fri 24 Jan 14

jumperr says...

The negativity is we will have to put something there,apparently the town planners got top marks and if that is the case something more broader should be done,let's not do for doing's sake.
The negativity is we will have to put something there,apparently the town planners got top marks and if that is the case something more broader should be done,let's not do for doing's sake. jumperr
  • Score: 1

2:24pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Lestat1977 says...

I'm glad it's being done, I mean anything is better than what is there now, however, I don't want to see empty units after 1 year in business. The town centre is dead on its feet and it would be a shame to let the disease spread in to ill though out plans.
I'm glad it's being done, I mean anything is better than what is there now, however, I don't want to see empty units after 1 year in business. The town centre is dead on its feet and it would be a shame to let the disease spread in to ill though out plans. Lestat1977
  • Score: 5

4:11pm Fri 24 Jan 14

And Justice For All says...

It's certainly a positive that somethings going there, absolutely. New jobs created, eyesore gone etc. But lets think long term. The council has to really get behind this. It says it is but we all know what it says and what it does are two VERY different matters, The infrastructure needs to be a great one. Coming back to the old chestnut - waste management. Granted, this will probably be dealt with by private tender, but will it be effective? Then there's traffifc issues. The Beechams roundabout (or whatever its called now) is a nightmare at times, as is the lead onto the linkway and into the town, has this been considered?
I'm in agreement that new business needs to be attracted to the town but sadly it will be the usual suspects. As long as theres some decent restaurants in there (not KFC, BK or another bleeing McD's) then its progress, small, but progress. But what is being done to attract these new businesses. Perhaps the council could bin off (pun intended) buying the shopping arcade and invest in a unit or two to propogate some new local businesses?
It's certainly a positive that somethings going there, absolutely. New jobs created, eyesore gone etc. But lets think long term. The council has to really get behind this. It says it is but we all know what it says and what it does are two VERY different matters, The infrastructure needs to be a great one. Coming back to the old chestnut - waste management. Granted, this will probably be dealt with by private tender, but will it be effective? Then there's traffifc issues. The Beechams roundabout (or whatever its called now) is a nightmare at times, as is the lead onto the linkway and into the town, has this been considered? I'm in agreement that new business needs to be attracted to the town but sadly it will be the usual suspects. As long as theres some decent restaurants in there (not KFC, BK or another bleeing McD's) then its progress, small, but progress. But what is being done to attract these new businesses. Perhaps the council could bin off (pun intended) buying the shopping arcade and invest in a unit or two to propogate some new local businesses? And Justice For All
  • Score: 5

6:05pm Fri 24 Jan 14

frankly says...

don't these artists impressions look good ?
don't these artists impressions look good ? frankly
  • Score: 0

9:02pm Fri 24 Jan 14

barrie timpson says...

We could do with a decent music shop , a toy shop and more clothes shops - and childrens clothes.
We could do with a decent music shop , a toy shop and more clothes shops - and childrens clothes. barrie timpson
  • Score: 2

1:13pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Arkay1 says...

dr.robert wrote:
Le Frog Nando's and Colours aren't what I would call tons of restaurants. Great news this, more choice for everyone and will hopefully attract a buyer for Buzbys.
There are more than three restaurants in St Helens. To name but a few: Mr. Chans, La Casa Vieja, a Thai Restaurant on Hall Street, Chinese and Italian restaurants in the same street.

To call Nandos a restaurant is stretching the meaning of the word. It is a fast food, standardised menu shop like Macdonalds and Burger King.
[quote][p][bold]dr.robert[/bold] wrote: Le Frog Nando's and Colours aren't what I would call tons of restaurants. Great news this, more choice for everyone and will hopefully attract a buyer for Buzbys.[/p][/quote]There are more than three restaurants in St Helens. To name but a few: Mr. Chans, La Casa Vieja, a Thai Restaurant on Hall Street, Chinese and Italian restaurants in the same street. To call Nandos a restaurant is stretching the meaning of the word. It is a fast food, standardised menu shop like Macdonalds and Burger King. Arkay1
  • Score: 1

1:16pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Arkay1 says...

barrie timpson wrote:
We could do with a decent music shop , a toy shop and more clothes shops - and childrens clothes.
We used to have those types of shops and nobody used them. So there would be no point in opening them again.

There is a Toy Shop called Smythes, And if you can stand the patronising assistants there is a clothing shop which caters for all ages - Tyrers.
[quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: We could do with a decent music shop , a toy shop and more clothes shops - and childrens clothes.[/p][/quote]We used to have those types of shops and nobody used them. So there would be no point in opening them again. There is a Toy Shop called Smythes, And if you can stand the patronising assistants there is a clothing shop which caters for all ages - Tyrers. Arkay1
  • Score: 5

1:19pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Arkay1 says...

jumperr wrote:
skate board area I totally agree that the youngsters need somewhere to play or do what teenagers do
There is already a couple of skateboard areas in our parks: Sherdley and Victoria.
[quote][p][bold]jumperr[/bold] wrote: skate board area I totally agree that the youngsters need somewhere to play or do what teenagers do[/p][/quote]There is already a couple of skateboard areas in our parks: Sherdley and Victoria. Arkay1
  • Score: 4

1:20pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Arkay1 says...

AiJay1 wrote:
This is a decision that has comeotoo late. I agree with what Barrie has said in every post. The only hope with this plan is that the bowling takes off unlike last time, but they need to keep their prices down or it wont.

Why can't we attract the bigger shops that people have to travel to liverpool or manchester to go to? There's too many discount shops in the centre now.

My worry with this Aldi is that it'll close the one near Morrisons.. And another bigger worry is that all of these little retail parks just outside the town centre are dragging people away from there.

In my opinion once this site is done, renovate the already existing town markets and spend a bit of money for once to get the bigger shops back and prevent people from shopping out of town.
There is no Aldi near either of the Morrisons shops.
[quote][p][bold]AiJay1[/bold] wrote: This is a decision that has comeotoo late. I agree with what Barrie has said in every post. The only hope with this plan is that the bowling takes off unlike last time, but they need to keep their prices down or it wont. Why can't we attract the bigger shops that people have to travel to liverpool or manchester to go to? There's too many discount shops in the centre now. My worry with this Aldi is that it'll close the one near Morrisons.. And another bigger worry is that all of these little retail parks just outside the town centre are dragging people away from there. In my opinion once this site is done, renovate the already existing town markets and spend a bit of money for once to get the bigger shops back and prevent people from shopping out of town.[/p][/quote]There is no Aldi near either of the Morrisons shops. Arkay1
  • Score: 4

1:21pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Arkay1 says...

It's all a blur wrote:
A lot of people in the past have mentioned a Primark being good for the town, a shop people usually have to travel to if they want anything from there as there isn't one nearby.
Primark wanted to take over the old Woolworth store but our council decided it was 'too downmarket.' So they let it open as another poundshop.
[quote][p][bold]It's all a blur[/bold] wrote: A lot of people in the past have mentioned a Primark being good for the town, a shop people usually have to travel to if they want anything from there as there isn't one nearby.[/p][/quote]Primark wanted to take over the old Woolworth store but our council decided it was 'too downmarket.' So they let it open as another poundshop. Arkay1
  • Score: 3

2:34pm Sun 26 Jan 14

barrie timpson says...

Arkay1 wrote:
barrie timpson wrote:
We could do with a decent music shop , a toy shop and more clothes shops - and childrens clothes.
We used to have those types of shops and nobody used them. So there would be no point in opening them again.

There is a Toy Shop called Smythes, And if you can stand the patronising assistants there is a clothing shop which caters for all ages - Tyrers.
Smyths is a great shop , but I still know lots of people who would like to see one in the town centre.

Darwins sells some nice instruments but again I know lots of people like myself that want more high end brands like Fender or Les Paul , Peter rarely has these.

I do use OD's, Sidewalk and Tyrers , but again I'd still like more choice , and the childrens clothes are overpriced , I don't mind paying top dollar for a rig for me , but my child will grow out of an 80 quid top in months , so another trip to next on a retail park , one in the town centre would be nice. Also Tyrers only has a very small collection of childrens clothes. In fact I'm not sure they have a childrens section at all?

Spot on with the skateparks though - there's four that I know of.
[quote][p][bold]Arkay1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: We could do with a decent music shop , a toy shop and more clothes shops - and childrens clothes.[/p][/quote]We used to have those types of shops and nobody used them. So there would be no point in opening them again. There is a Toy Shop called Smythes, And if you can stand the patronising assistants there is a clothing shop which caters for all ages - Tyrers.[/p][/quote]Smyths is a great shop , but I still know lots of people who would like to see one in the town centre. Darwins sells some nice instruments but again I know lots of people like myself that want more high end brands like Fender or Les Paul , Peter rarely has these. I do use OD's, Sidewalk and Tyrers , but again I'd still like more choice , and the childrens clothes are overpriced , I don't mind paying top dollar for a rig for me , but my child will grow out of an 80 quid top in months , so another trip to next on a retail park , one in the town centre would be nice. Also Tyrers only has a very small collection of childrens clothes. In fact I'm not sure they have a childrens section at all? Spot on with the skateparks though - there's four that I know of. barrie timpson
  • Score: 0

12:01am Mon 27 Jan 14

Geoff911 says...

Arkay1 wrote:
It's all a blur wrote:
A lot of people in the past have mentioned a Primark being good for the town, a shop people usually have to travel to if they want anything from there as there isn't one nearby.
Primark wanted to take over the old Woolworth store but our council decided it was 'too downmarket.' So they let it open as another poundshop.
I heard this too, but from what I was told it was another retailer that objected to it, don't know how true that was.
But if you look at people coming from out of town shopping from the train station, you will see a lot of people have been to Primark.
We often go to Wigan, Liverpool and now Warrington just for Primark.
[quote][p][bold]Arkay1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's all a blur[/bold] wrote: A lot of people in the past have mentioned a Primark being good for the town, a shop people usually have to travel to if they want anything from there as there isn't one nearby.[/p][/quote]Primark wanted to take over the old Woolworth store but our council decided it was 'too downmarket.' So they let it open as another poundshop.[/p][/quote]I heard this too, but from what I was told it was another retailer that objected to it, don't know how true that was. But if you look at people coming from out of town shopping from the train station, you will see a lot of people have been to Primark. We often go to Wigan, Liverpool and now Warrington just for Primark. Geoff911
  • Score: 4

9:04pm Mon 27 Jan 14

epson says...

Just a quick note: Primark has never attempted to open a shop in St Helens........ FACT. Why bother with the truth when rumours are more tasty.
Also the skatepark in Sherdley was built in a bog and apart from the middle of summer, it cannot be used.
Just a quick note: Primark has never attempted to open a shop in St Helens........ FACT. Why bother with the truth when rumours are more tasty. Also the skatepark in Sherdley was built in a bog and apart from the middle of summer, it cannot be used. epson
  • Score: 1

7:26pm Tue 28 Jan 14

saintsfan says...

barrie timpson wrote:
Arkay1 wrote:
barrie timpson wrote:
We could do with a decent music shop , a toy shop and more clothes shops - and childrens clothes.
We used to have those types of shops and nobody used them. So there would be no point in opening them again.

There is a Toy Shop called Smythes, And if you can stand the patronising assistants there is a clothing shop which caters for all ages - Tyrers.
Smyths is a great shop , but I still know lots of people who would like to see one in the town centre.

Darwins sells some nice instruments but again I know lots of people like myself that want more high end brands like Fender or Les Paul , Peter rarely has these.

I do use OD's, Sidewalk and Tyrers , but again I'd still like more choice , and the childrens clothes are overpriced , I don't mind paying top dollar for a rig for me , but my child will grow out of an 80 quid top in months , so another trip to next on a retail park , one in the town centre would be nice. Also Tyrers only has a very small collection of childrens clothes. In fact I'm not sure they have a childrens section at all?

Spot on with the skateparks though - there's four that I know of.
We used to have Next in the town centre (opposite Boots in the Church Sq shopping centre) but they moved lock, stock and barrell to the retail park.

The mistake of St Helens Council was to build retail parks. The town is not big enough to accommodate them AND a town centre. It would have been better to build more car parking around the town centre to encourage people to shop here.

Sadly, this development is all wrong IMO. The council would have been better building houses on the site.

I like the way in which some of the offices on our worst town centre street (Barrow Street) have been turned into flats. More of that will help make the place look less derelict. With W H Smiths due to leave on 15 Feb and probably others to follow in due course, our town centre needs some serious out of the box thinking.
[quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arkay1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: We could do with a decent music shop , a toy shop and more clothes shops - and childrens clothes.[/p][/quote]We used to have those types of shops and nobody used them. So there would be no point in opening them again. There is a Toy Shop called Smythes, And if you can stand the patronising assistants there is a clothing shop which caters for all ages - Tyrers.[/p][/quote]Smyths is a great shop , but I still know lots of people who would like to see one in the town centre. Darwins sells some nice instruments but again I know lots of people like myself that want more high end brands like Fender or Les Paul , Peter rarely has these. I do use OD's, Sidewalk and Tyrers , but again I'd still like more choice , and the childrens clothes are overpriced , I don't mind paying top dollar for a rig for me , but my child will grow out of an 80 quid top in months , so another trip to next on a retail park , one in the town centre would be nice. Also Tyrers only has a very small collection of childrens clothes. In fact I'm not sure they have a childrens section at all? Spot on with the skateparks though - there's four that I know of.[/p][/quote]We used to have Next in the town centre (opposite Boots in the Church Sq shopping centre) but they moved lock, stock and barrell to the retail park. The mistake of St Helens Council was to build retail parks. The town is not big enough to accommodate them AND a town centre. It would have been better to build more car parking around the town centre to encourage people to shop here. Sadly, this development is all wrong IMO. The council would have been better building houses on the site. I like the way in which some of the offices on our worst town centre street (Barrow Street) have been turned into flats. More of that will help make the place look less derelict. With W H Smiths due to leave on 15 Feb and probably others to follow in due course, our town centre needs some serious out of the box thinking. saintsfan
  • Score: 1

8:26pm Tue 28 Jan 14

luciem says...

Primark for sure yea there's one in Warrington and Liverpool that may be down the road but some people dont drive and I for one can't stand getting on the smelly public train to go to Liverpool just to spend £30 in primark I'd like to just walk down the road and be able to nip whenever I want also it would bring a lot of jobs and the people of st Helens WOULDNT have to go out of town to go to such shops rant over
Primark for sure yea there's one in Warrington and Liverpool that may be down the road but some people dont drive and I for one can't stand getting on the smelly public train to go to Liverpool just to spend £30 in primark I'd like to just walk down the road and be able to nip whenever I want also it would bring a lot of jobs and the people of st Helens WOULDNT have to go out of town to go to such shops rant over luciem
  • Score: 3

11:31am Wed 29 Jan 14

keepitreel says...

so the be all and end all for saving this god awful town centre is a PRIMARNI, so we have another discount shop,what about a DEBENHAMS or WAITROSE dont forget a lot of people shop outside this town because they cant buy the quality items in the grot shops this town is full of.
so the be all and end all for saving this god awful town centre is a PRIMARNI, so we have another discount shop,what about a DEBENHAMS or WAITROSE dont forget a lot of people shop outside this town because they cant buy the quality items in the grot shops this town is full of. keepitreel
  • Score: 4

1:50am Sat 1 Feb 14

anthonywilson says...

Although anything is better than nothing for the former St Thomas Square site, I cannot honestly see how a further duplication of yet another Aldi Store (The St Helens Borough already has one at Peasley Cross, one near Clock Face (only recently opened) plus one at Haydock, will achieve anything. The same applies to building yet another Gym and more restaurants, when some of the existing ones have closed. Is the Sacred Heart Church site and Nursery buildings going to be tidied up too; as they will continue to make that area look like an eyesore.
Although anything is better than nothing for the former St Thomas Square site, I cannot honestly see how a further duplication of yet another Aldi Store (The St Helens Borough already has one at Peasley Cross, one near Clock Face (only recently opened) plus one at Haydock, will achieve anything. The same applies to building yet another Gym and more restaurants, when some of the existing ones have closed. Is the Sacred Heart Church site and Nursery buildings going to be tidied up too; as they will continue to make that area look like an eyesore. anthonywilson
  • Score: 3

4:48pm Sat 8 Feb 14

norm says...

What's so special about Primark? Seen better stuff in charity shops - and we've plenty of those in town.
What's so special about Primark? Seen better stuff in charity shops - and we've plenty of those in town. norm
  • Score: 4

12:05am Tue 11 Feb 14

Jack60 says...

TESCO
TESCO Jack60
  • Score: 0

12:23am Tue 11 Feb 14

Jack60 says...

Labour HQ offices
Labour HQ offices Jack60
  • Score: 2

5:47pm Tue 11 Feb 14

S&M-Airlines says...

It's about bloody time! But who on Earth thought ALDI was a good idea? There's absolutely no scope for an ALDI store in St. Helens town centre. We already have a LIDL, an ALDI on the retail park, there's a daft amount of bargain-esque shops in town. Plus there's another big ALDI in Clock Face. We need to attract something decent like a Primark, how long have Sin Telliners been mithering for a bloody Primark.
It's about bloody time! But who on Earth thought ALDI was a good idea? There's absolutely no scope for an ALDI store in St. Helens town centre. We already have a LIDL, an ALDI on the retail park, there's a daft amount of bargain-esque shops in town. Plus there's another big ALDI in Clock Face. We need to attract something decent like a Primark, how long have Sin Telliners been mithering for a bloody Primark. S&M-Airlines
  • Score: 3

8:28pm Thu 13 Feb 14

CRYSTAL111 says...

The redevelopment should start with free car paring all over the town to bring people in and then business rates should be re-assessed downwards to encourage shops to come here , the market stall holders rents should be cut by at least 50% to attract small investors to come to the town . Also I think these European markets should be stopped should be stopped from trading in the town center. In my opinion they are taking local money away from the town.
The redevelopment should start with free car paring all over the town to bring people in and then business rates should be re-assessed downwards to encourage shops to come here , the market stall holders rents should be cut by at least 50% to attract small investors to come to the town . Also I think these European markets should be stopped should be stopped from trading in the town center. In my opinion they are taking local money away from the town. CRYSTAL111
  • Score: 2

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