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'How can St Helens Council justify iPads and iPhones?'

St Helens Star: 'How can they justify iPads and iPhones?' 'How can they justify iPads and iPhones?'

SO St Helens Council have sought to defend the purchase of iPads and iPhones for its 48 Councillors.

Well, there is no defence. Week after week we have been bombarded with criticism of the government and every other political party by this Labour regime. Barrie Grunewald has been ferocious in his damning of the coalition and its budget cuts laying all the blame at its door for every bit of austerity we are facing.

The truth is that: This council took the decision to raise our Council Tax This council chose which services to cut, including those affecting vulnerable adults and children This council chose which workers would lose their jobs as part of the cuts.

In the light of this, how on earth can they justify the purchase of fancy gadgets for councillors who already get generous allowances that increase in scale to cabinet portfolio members.

I have no affiliation to any political party and I am sure there are many like me who are sick of politicians saying one thing whilst doing another. If budgets are as tight as this Council claims then all expenditure should meet one main criteria - is it essential?

When it comes to iPads and iPhones the answer can only be a resounding no.

Christine Woodward

Dentons Green

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12:04pm Thu 10 Apr 14

jumperr says...

You're quite right,but that is what happens when they are allowed to do what they want because we don't monitor them enough on their promises and leaflets we receive
You're quite right,but that is what happens when they are allowed to do what they want because we don't monitor them enough on their promises and leaflets we receive jumperr
  • Score: 10

3:09pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Keva68 says...

Well might as well say it again ,they managed to find £48000 (est) for gadgets but cant find the money to keep leisure facilities open.
Ironically as a council tax payer this comment is bring written on an iPad fully funded by myself.
Any councillor accepting these gifts at our expense should hang their heads in shame ,and I would urge residents to ask their local councillor if they have taken up the free iPad and iPhone offer.
Well might as well say it again ,they managed to find £48000 (est) for gadgets but cant find the money to keep leisure facilities open. Ironically as a council tax payer this comment is bring written on an iPad fully funded by myself. Any councillor accepting these gifts at our expense should hang their heads in shame ,and I would urge residents to ask their local councillor if they have taken up the free iPad and iPhone offer. Keva68
  • Score: 13

5:59pm Thu 10 Apr 14

keepitreel says...

on the ROGER PHILIPS show on radio merseyside this wednesday someone from this town asked the question of why they have spent this money on these gadgets,the council refused to say how much they had spent or how much they would save,they also stated we were the LAST local authority to have these state of the art toys and we needed to keep pace with the way documents are now sent,ROGER PHILIPS has asked for a freedom of information response on this subject and will give the details on his show when he gets it,once again the mandarins have shown their contempt for the people of this town,this is just another in a long list of things that show the could not care less about the hard working towns folk,when they come knocking on the door in a few weeks to ask for your vote with a smile and an empty promise tell them NO THANKS IM VOTING UKIP and see the cheesy grin turn to a frown.
on the ROGER PHILIPS show on radio merseyside this wednesday someone from this town asked the question of why they have spent this money on these gadgets,the council refused to say how much they had spent or how much they would save,they also stated we were the LAST local authority to have these state of the art toys and we needed to keep pace with the way documents are now sent,ROGER PHILIPS has asked for a freedom of information response on this subject and will give the details on his show when he gets it,once again the mandarins have shown their contempt for the people of this town,this is just another in a long list of things that show the could not care less about the hard working towns folk,when they come knocking on the door in a few weeks to ask for your vote with a smile and an empty promise tell them NO THANKS IM VOTING UKIP and see the cheesy grin turn to a frown. keepitreel
  • Score: 9

6:11pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Sankey says...

The council and it's councillors don't need to justify anything they are the rulers you are the ruled

Get used to it
The council and it's councillors don't need to justify anything they are the rulers you are the ruled Get used to it Sankey
  • Score: 4

8:12pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Keva68 says...

keepitreel wrote:
on the ROGER PHILIPS show on radio merseyside this wednesday someone from this town asked the question of why they have spent this money on these gadgets,the council refused to say how much they had spent or how much they would save,they also stated we were the LAST local authority to have these state of the art toys and we needed to keep pace with the way documents are now sent,ROGER PHILIPS has asked for a freedom of information response on this subject and will give the details on his show when he gets it,once again the mandarins have shown their contempt for the people of this town,this is just another in a long list of things that show the could not care less about the hard working towns folk,when they come knocking on the door in a few weeks to ask for your vote with a smile and an empty promise tell them NO THANKS IM VOTING UKIP and see the cheesy grin turn to a frown.
Would be very interesting to find the true cost of their free gadgets at our expense.
Maybe one of the 48 could be a bit honest for a change and tell us instead of hiding their spending away.
This will definitely be my first question when they come asking for my vote.
[quote][p][bold]keepitreel[/bold] wrote: on the ROGER PHILIPS show on radio merseyside this wednesday someone from this town asked the question of why they have spent this money on these gadgets,the council refused to say how much they had spent or how much they would save,they also stated we were the LAST local authority to have these state of the art toys and we needed to keep pace with the way documents are now sent,ROGER PHILIPS has asked for a freedom of information response on this subject and will give the details on his show when he gets it,once again the mandarins have shown their contempt for the people of this town,this is just another in a long list of things that show the could not care less about the hard working towns folk,when they come knocking on the door in a few weeks to ask for your vote with a smile and an empty promise tell them NO THANKS IM VOTING UKIP and see the cheesy grin turn to a frown.[/p][/quote]Would be very interesting to find the true cost of their free gadgets at our expense. Maybe one of the 48 could be a bit honest for a change and tell us instead of hiding their spending away. This will definitely be my first question when they come asking for my vote. Keva68
  • Score: 9

9:04pm Thu 10 Apr 14

anthonywilson says...

I personally don't have an issue with Councillors having iPads and iPhones; where they are funded from is another matter. The Council is free to use its corporate purchasing power to get a better deal but why not have reduced the councillor expenses for one year from the £7000 per annum they already receive to £6k to pay for them. What are they actually using their expenses for is the question? I would also be very surprised that any Councillor worth their salt doesn't already have a mobile or digital device/laptop etc. If they are already using a new piece of equipment why the need for duplication?
It would also be interesting to know if the iPads in question are WiFi only or cellular and if they are getting the more expensive Air model or the standard one as the costs varies considerably between them? Considering there are so many free WiFi hotspots these days surely there is absolutely no need for the cellular versions?
I personally don't have an issue with Councillors having iPads and iPhones; where they are funded from is another matter. The Council is free to use its corporate purchasing power to get a better deal but why not have reduced the councillor expenses for one year from the £7000 per annum they already receive to £6k to pay for them. What are they actually using their expenses for is the question? I would also be very surprised that any Councillor worth their salt doesn't already have a mobile or digital device/laptop etc. If they are already using a new piece of equipment why the need for duplication? It would also be interesting to know if the iPads in question are WiFi only or cellular and if they are getting the more expensive Air model or the standard one as the costs varies considerably between them? Considering there are so many free WiFi hotspots these days surely there is absolutely no need for the cellular versions? anthonywilson
  • Score: 7

10:15pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Geoff911 says...

anthonywilson wrote:
I personally don't have an issue with Councillors having iPads and iPhones; where they are funded from is another matter. The Council is free to use its corporate purchasing power to get a better deal but why not have reduced the councillor expenses for one year from the £7000 per annum they already receive to £6k to pay for them. What are they actually using their expenses for is the question? I would also be very surprised that any Councillor worth their salt doesn't already have a mobile or digital device/laptop etc. If they are already using a new piece of equipment why the need for duplication?
It would also be interesting to know if the iPads in question are WiFi only or cellular and if they are getting the more expensive Air model or the standard one as the costs varies considerably between them? Considering there are so many free WiFi hotspots these days surely there is absolutely no need for the cellular versions?
You forgot to mention that with Microsoft office becoming available for I pads are the council "going to rent that too" as you don't buy it now you rent it, this is yet another cost....
[quote][p][bold]anthonywilson[/bold] wrote: I personally don't have an issue with Councillors having iPads and iPhones; where they are funded from is another matter. The Council is free to use its corporate purchasing power to get a better deal but why not have reduced the councillor expenses for one year from the £7000 per annum they already receive to £6k to pay for them. What are they actually using their expenses for is the question? I would also be very surprised that any Councillor worth their salt doesn't already have a mobile or digital device/laptop etc. If they are already using a new piece of equipment why the need for duplication? It would also be interesting to know if the iPads in question are WiFi only or cellular and if they are getting the more expensive Air model or the standard one as the costs varies considerably between them? Considering there are so many free WiFi hotspots these days surely there is absolutely no need for the cellular versions?[/p][/quote]You forgot to mention that with Microsoft office becoming available for I pads are the council "going to rent that too" as you don't buy it now you rent it, this is yet another cost.... Geoff911
  • Score: 7

8:29pm Fri 11 Apr 14

anthonywilson says...

Geoff911 wrote:
anthonywilson wrote:
I personally don't have an issue with Councillors having iPads and iPhones; where they are funded from is another matter. The Council is free to use its corporate purchasing power to get a better deal but why not have reduced the councillor expenses for one year from the £7000 per annum they already receive to £6k to pay for them. What are they actually using their expenses for is the question? I would also be very surprised that any Councillor worth their salt doesn't already have a mobile or digital device/laptop etc. If they are already using a new piece of equipment why the need for duplication?
It would also be interesting to know if the iPads in question are WiFi only or cellular and if they are getting the more expensive Air model or the standard one as the costs varies considerably between them? Considering there are so many free WiFi hotspots these days surely there is absolutely no need for the cellular versions?
You forgot to mention that with Microsoft office becoming available for I pads are the council "going to rent that too" as you don't buy it now you rent it, this is yet another cost....
I would hope not considering Apple's iWork software does exactly the same as MS Office, is better in my opinion and it comes at a fraction of the cost.
[quote][p][bold]Geoff911[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anthonywilson[/bold] wrote: I personally don't have an issue with Councillors having iPads and iPhones; where they are funded from is another matter. The Council is free to use its corporate purchasing power to get a better deal but why not have reduced the councillor expenses for one year from the £7000 per annum they already receive to £6k to pay for them. What are they actually using their expenses for is the question? I would also be very surprised that any Councillor worth their salt doesn't already have a mobile or digital device/laptop etc. If they are already using a new piece of equipment why the need for duplication? It would also be interesting to know if the iPads in question are WiFi only or cellular and if they are getting the more expensive Air model or the standard one as the costs varies considerably between them? Considering there are so many free WiFi hotspots these days surely there is absolutely no need for the cellular versions?[/p][/quote]You forgot to mention that with Microsoft office becoming available for I pads are the council "going to rent that too" as you don't buy it now you rent it, this is yet another cost....[/p][/quote]I would hope not considering Apple's iWork software does exactly the same as MS Office, is better in my opinion and it comes at a fraction of the cost. anthonywilson
  • Score: 4

2:02am Sat 12 Apr 14

mikeperry109 says...

They cannot justify it. but they will try - and you will carry on electing them!
They cannot justify it. but they will try - and you will carry on electing them! mikeperry109
  • Score: 8

4:16pm Sat 12 Apr 14

rosered1 says...

mikeperry109 wrote:
They cannot justify it. but they will try - and you will carry on electing them!
So true sadly. I may enter a tin of beans into the next elections and slap a red rosette on it ~ at least it won't need an ipad etc when it wins.
[quote][p][bold]mikeperry109[/bold] wrote: They cannot justify it. but they will try - and you will carry on electing them![/p][/quote]So true sadly. I may enter a tin of beans into the next elections and slap a red rosette on it ~ at least it won't need an ipad etc when it wins. rosered1
  • Score: 11

9:34pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Geoff911 says...

Let's get one thing right from the start, these are politicians, if nothing else, the past few years have learnt us that these kind of people say anything to get your vote, say they are in it just to help others, yet they are experts at helping themselves it does not matter if it's local or national.
Let's get one thing right from the start, these are politicians, if nothing else, the past few years have learnt us that these kind of people say anything to get your vote, say they are in it just to help others, yet they are experts at helping themselves it does not matter if it's local or national. Geoff911
  • Score: 7

2:42pm Mon 14 Apr 14

keepitreel says...

i notice the story about using your phone to pay for parking hasn't got a comments section,how much has this system cost to implement and what are the running costs per year,also will the personal data given be safe or is it an outside agency that could use the information given for other means,i presume you have to give the cars details as well as them having your phones details with which they can get your address etc,will we be bombarded with nuicence calls and txt messages.
i notice the story about using your phone to pay for parking hasn't got a comments section,how much has this system cost to implement and what are the running costs per year,also will the personal data given be safe or is it an outside agency that could use the information given for other means,i presume you have to give the cars details as well as them having your phones details with which they can get your address etc,will we be bombarded with nuicence calls and txt messages. keepitreel
  • Score: 6

4:58pm Mon 14 Apr 14

barrie timpson says...

*here*
*here* barrie timpson
  • Score: 0

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