They should hang their heads in shame (From St Helens Star)

Our two MPs voted for the war. And they were re-elected. It shows that the people of St. Helens do not care about the illegal war in Iraq, Harry. Have a look at the comments on the possible merger of Warrington and St. Helens hospitals - another scandal.
Blair and Bush are war criminals and should be tried as such.

All our politicians should be made the watch the recent BBC programme Kicking the Hornets Nest about the lives of the soldiers in Afghanistan and the impact of soldiers deaths on the families. The parents one of who was a senior Colonel in the Army struggled to justify the reasons why their son had been killed. Although its a different war than Iraq the starting point was the same, the 9/11 attacks. Incredible when the majority of the terrorists, 15 of the 19 who commited this attrocity were actually from Saudi Arabia One was an Egyptian, another of Lebanese extraction and three from the United Arab Emirates. The decision to attack Iraq on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction was completely bogus and simply about one three letter word OIL. Its the same reason why the UK militarily intervened in Libya but won't intervene in Syria because there is no Oil there. Bush was simply a spokesperson for the Oil industry as president with Blair his poodle. As Mike has said above they should be both at the Hague facing a war crimes tribunal.

anthonywilson wrote:
All our politicians should be made the watch the recent BBC programme Kicking the Hornets Nest about the lives of the soldiers in Afghanistan and the impact of soldiers deaths on the families. The parents one of who was a senior Colonel in the Army struggled to justify the reasons why their son had been killed. Although its a different war than Iraq the starting point was the same, the 9/11 attacks. Incredible when the majority of the terrorists, 15 of the 19 who commited this attrocity were actually from Saudi Arabia One was an Egyptian, another of Lebanese extraction and three from the United Arab Emirates. The decision to attack Iraq on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction was completely bogus and simply about one three letter word OIL. Its the same reason why the UK militarily intervened in Libya but won't intervene in Syria because there is no Oil there. Bush was simply a spokesperson for the Oil industry as president with Blair his poodle. As Mike has said above they should be both at the Hague facing a war crimes tribunal.

But it will never happen, Anthony. They are protected by the same corporate forces that control the world.

mikeperry109 wrote:

anthonywilson wrote:
All our politicians should be made the watch the recent BBC programme Kicking the Hornets Nest about the lives of the soldiers in Afghanistan and the impact of soldiers deaths on the families. The parents one of who was a senior Colonel in the Army struggled to justify the reasons why their son had been killed. Although its a different war than Iraq the starting point was the same, the 9/11 attacks. Incredible when the majority of the terrorists, 15 of the 19 who commited this attrocity were actually from Saudi Arabia One was an Egyptian, another of Lebanese extraction and three from the United Arab Emirates. The decision to attack Iraq on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction was completely bogus and simply about one three letter word OIL. Its the same reason why the UK militarily intervened in Libya but won't intervene in Syria because there is no Oil there. Bush was simply a spokesperson for the Oil industry as president with Blair his poodle. As Mike has said above they should be both at the Hague facing a war crimes tribunal.

But it will never happen, Anthony. They are protected by the same corporate forces that control the world.

I doubt it will too Mike. Makes me smile that wherever Tony Blair goes to these days there is a group attempting to arrest him for war crimes.

Maybe it,s me but when the new,s broke that the attorney general was applying the 30yr rule to all phone call,s and document,s relating to the lead up to the Iraq war the British media paid it lip service only,even "The channel 4 new,s"and "Newsnight"barely mentioned it,even though this is normaly the type of story they really go to town on.Make,s you think if some other force,s are at work on this,and have the power to stifle any debate,and of course none of our political party,s will raise it in our so democratic parliament,that,s how accountable they really are,but of course they did not have to go into this cauldron and pay the ultimate price,it,s a disgrace.

1984 by George 0rwell

Got it in one frank. I don't care how mad people think I am - the only person that makes any sense is David Icke. When he says something is going to happen - it happens and he gets called mad. When a politician says something will happen it never does and we all go and vote for them again , we deserve all we get.

anthonywilson wrote:
All our politicians should be made the watch the recent BBC programme Kicking the Hornets Nest about the lives of the soldiers in Afghanistan and the impact of soldiers deaths on the families. The parents one of who was a senior Colonel in the Army struggled to justify the reasons why their son had been killed. Although its a different war than Iraq the starting point was the same, the 9/11 attacks. Incredible when the majority of the terrorists, 15 of the 19 who commited this attrocity were actually from Saudi Arabia One was an Egyptian, another of Lebanese extraction and three from the United Arab Emirates. The decision to attack Iraq on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction was completely bogus and simply about one three letter word OIL. Its the same reason why the UK militarily intervened in Libya but won't intervene in Syria because there is no Oil there. Bush was simply a spokesperson for the Oil industry as president with Blair his poodle. As Mike has said above they should be both at the Hague facing a war crimes tribunal.

Anthony I don't think the nationality of the 9/11 bombers is relevant. In fact if you want to go down that road some of the suspected organisers were british citizens and the bombers regularly spent time in both London and Hamburg before the attacks.

Sankey wrote:

anthonywilson wrote:
All our politicians should be made the watch the recent BBC programme Kicking the Hornets Nest about the lives of the soldiers in Afghanistan and the impact of soldiers deaths on the families. The parents one of who was a senior Colonel in the Army struggled to justify the reasons why their son had been killed. Although its a different war than Iraq the starting point was the same, the 9/11 attacks. Incredible when the majority of the terrorists, 15 of the 19 who commited this attrocity were actually from Saudi Arabia One was an Egyptian, another of Lebanese extraction and three from the United Arab Emirates. The decision to attack Iraq on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction was completely bogus and simply about one three letter word OIL. Its the same reason why the UK militarily intervened in Libya but won't intervene in Syria because there is no Oil there. Bush was simply a spokesperson for the Oil industry as president with Blair his poodle. As Mike has said above they should be both at the Hague facing a war crimes tribunal.

Anthony I don't think the nationality of the 9/11 bombers is relevant. In fact if you want to go down that road some of the suspected organisers were british citizens and the bombers regularly spent time in both London and Hamburg before the attacks.

I would like to ask you why you don't think its relevant?

The Prime Minister of the day decided to invade two countries on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction and following the 9/11 attacks in NYC when one of the countries Iraq had absolutely no involvement in the atrocity. The original letter is about and the Chilcott Inquiry and its supposed to be finding out the reasons why these incredible stupid and dangerous decisions were made.

They were citizens of those countries not the same as the governments of those countries. British citizens were also complict in 9/11. By the way I agree with the letter writer just think the nationalities of the terrorists are irrelevant. Plenty british citizens fighting our troops in both Afganistan and Iraq and also in the syria conflict did you read about the british NHS doctor wanting to behead the photographers? Thats his doing not the UK or the NHS thats crazy stuff.

Looking back in May it was reported that Chilcot was about to **** Blair in his report,from that point on panic set in amongst all our political leader,s who decided it was in their wider interest,s if this report was buried.The only thing left was the timing of the Attorney general signing this document,and they decided on doing it just into the long summer recess,"How convenient"but denies the mother,s and father,s and family any chance of finding out the true reason,s behind this illegal war.In fact this was the start of the disintegration of the whole middle east,the true cost of will rock the world to it,s foundation,s as the whole region is plunged into a sectarian war,i call this Bushes legacy to the world,this will plunge the world,s market,s into absolute turmoil,this may kick off if Israel attack,s Iran,s nuclear facilities,watch this space.

RIP David Kelly and Robin Cook , sometimes forgotten victims of the illegal invasions.

pitbullboxing wrote:
RIP David Kelly and Robin Cook , sometimes forgotten victims of the illegal invasions.

And we will never know the truth, pitbull. Another great British cover-up.

nothing against national topics in national papers, but feel comments in local papers should be kept local, just my opinion.

I agree look at what they get away with here.Same party nothing changes, and they still don' t apply the polices

Frankly,i think you will find that most local issues that effect St.Helens will eminate from national sources,i.e. we have troop,s from here serving in Afganistan,we also have local hospital,s effected by P.F.I.s,our shop,s are closing,council service,s are shutting down,all this is down to national policy,s.
If we take them out of the the remark,s,then this forum would serve no purpose.I know i look at all discussion,s with interest,and often my view,s change as the topic is debated,and find it useful,pity our politician,s don,t listen to the public,s opinion,s,they might learn what real people think.

Well said Harry. Its good to hear the sound of a penny dropping.

Harry you are not wrong, if they have not listen by now.

Harrybradbury wrote:
Frankly,i think you will find that most local issues that effect St.Helens will eminate from national sources,i.e. we have troop,s from here serving in Afganistan,we also have local hospital,s effected by P.F.I.s,our shop,s are closing,council service,s are shutting down,all this is down to national policy,s.
If we take them out of the the remark,s,then this forum would serve no purpose.I know i look at all discussion,s with interest,and often my view,s change as the topic is debated,and find it useful,pity our politician,s don,t listen to the public,s opinion,s,they might learn what real people think.

Fully agree, Harry. National issues have a direct effect on local people - just look at the PFI fiasco and the cuts being forced on the NHS to put money straight into tax havens!

What is being pointed out is local promises do not get kept,so no chance on national

Point taken Harry