Life’s going to be dull without the Fives centre

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CAN St Helens get any more dull?

This was my reaction on hearing about the closure of the Fives football centre.

I have used this facility on a weekly basis. A place where friendships were formed and fun was had.

Young and old keeping fit in this obesity epidemic. We will now be forced to travel to and spend money in neighbouring towns where the councils realise the benefits of places like this. So farewell Fives, you left us too soon.

Peter Yates, Knowsley Road, St Helens

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5:51pm Thu 3 Jan 13

Bobbington says...

I fully concur with the writer of this letter. If St.Helens Council chose to invest in leisure facilities rather than wasting money on ugly needle sculptures and portrait benches then perhaps there may be a few less morbidly obese benefit claimants dragging their formidable, sweaty heft to the bookies, pubs, £shops and low grade "bakeries" or clogging up the streets on their TooLazyToWalk Scooters.
I fully concur with the writer of this letter. If St.Helens Council chose to invest in leisure facilities rather than wasting money on ugly needle sculptures and portrait benches then perhaps there may be a few less morbidly obese benefit claimants dragging their formidable, sweaty heft to the bookies, pubs, £shops and low grade "bakeries" or clogging up the streets on their TooLazyToWalk Scooters. Bobbington
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9:06pm Thu 3 Jan 13

jumper says...

These representatives who ask for our votes are really so use less at getting anything done.is beyond a joke accept it cannot be done is easy way out .why on earth do they want to say what they will do and never do it.We have supposed to have been able to use the school gyms and facilities for the the last eight yrs. we have facilities why are they not used. Seem to think it their own property.
These representatives who ask for our votes are really so use less at getting anything done.is beyond a joke accept it cannot be done is easy way out .why on earth do they want to say what they will do and never do it.We have supposed to have been able to use the school gyms and facilities for the the last eight yrs. we have facilities why are they not used. Seem to think it their own property. jumper
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9:17am Fri 4 Jan 13

smith&weston says...

Bobbington wrote:
I fully concur with the writer of this letter. If St.Helens Council chose to invest in leisure facilities rather than wasting money on ugly needle sculptures and portrait benches then perhaps there may be a few less morbidly obese benefit claimants dragging their formidable, sweaty heft to the bookies, pubs, £shops and low grade "bakeries" or clogging up the streets on their TooLazyToWalk Scooters.
Perfectly put !
[quote][p][bold]Bobbington[/bold] wrote: I fully concur with the writer of this letter. If St.Helens Council chose to invest in leisure facilities rather than wasting money on ugly needle sculptures and portrait benches then perhaps there may be a few less morbidly obese benefit claimants dragging their formidable, sweaty heft to the bookies, pubs, £shops and low grade "bakeries" or clogging up the streets on their TooLazyToWalk Scooters.[/p][/quote]Perfectly put ! smith&weston
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6:26pm Fri 4 Jan 13

frankly says...

my grandson used it regular with his friends, now that event is finished..he said the next nearest is at robin parl wigan, which is above his weekly spending costs..get this ruddy council shifted, and thats coming from me,a lifetime labour voter
my grandson used it regular with his friends, now that event is finished..he said the next nearest is at robin parl wigan, which is above his weekly spending costs..get this ruddy council shifted, and thats coming from me,a lifetime labour voter frankly
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7:30pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Bobbington says...

frankly wrote:
my grandson used it regular with his friends, now that event is finished..he said the next nearest is at robin parl wigan, which is above his weekly spending costs..get this ruddy council shifted, and thats coming from me,a lifetime labour voter
You aren't wrong Frankly. I'm afraid the only sporting option your grandson and his friends have in the sporting oasis of St.Helens is to throw down and take it to da hoop down at the b-ball courts on the Rec Park. The trouble is though that there may be a couple of guys upto no good who will then start trouble in the neighbourhood. Your Grandson will then get into one little fight and his mother will get scared and send him off to live with his Auntie & Uncle in Bel-Air.
[quote][p][bold]frankly[/bold] wrote: my grandson used it regular with his friends, now that event is finished..he said the next nearest is at robin parl wigan, which is above his weekly spending costs..get this ruddy council shifted, and thats coming from me,a lifetime labour voter[/p][/quote]You aren't wrong Frankly. I'm afraid the only sporting option your grandson and his friends have in the sporting oasis of St.Helens is to throw down and take it to da hoop down at the b-ball courts on the Rec Park. The trouble is though that there may be a couple of guys upto no good who will then start trouble in the neighbourhood. Your Grandson will then get into one little fight and his mother will get scared and send him off to live with his Auntie & Uncle in Bel-Air. Bobbington
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10:00pm Fri 4 Jan 13

chasmcn says...

Can i ask a question is this a private business or a council run operation ?
Can i ask a question is this a private business or a council run operation ? chasmcn
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11:14pm Fri 4 Jan 13

saintsfan says...

Well, it's not like there aren't soccer facilities elsewhere within a short bus ride from St Helens. Soccer facilities are everywhere. While it's always a shame to see somewhere you have enjoyed close, it really isn't the end of the world. If it was a council facility then there are others to use; if it was a privately run operation then it isn't the council's fault if it has closed - and there are still alternatives.
Well, it's not like there aren't soccer facilities elsewhere within a short bus ride from St Helens. Soccer facilities are everywhere. While it's always a shame to see somewhere you have enjoyed close, it really isn't the end of the world. If it was a council facility then there are others to use; if it was a privately run operation then it isn't the council's fault if it has closed - and there are still alternatives. saintsfan
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8:43am Sat 5 Jan 13

eddyspan says...

As stated in above posts the nearest similar decent facility is in wigan. The council turned down plans for a soccerdome style venue at Queens Park. Not to worry we can all catch the bus to Sherdley Park and look at a portrait of a fat drunk actor from our fantastic new bench!
As stated in above posts the nearest similar decent facility is in wigan. The council turned down plans for a soccerdome style venue at Queens Park. Not to worry we can all catch the bus to Sherdley Park and look at a portrait of a fat drunk actor from our fantastic new bench! eddyspan
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5:34pm Sat 5 Jan 13

saintsfan says...

eddyspan wrote:
As stated in above posts the nearest similar decent facility is in wigan. The council turned down plans for a soccerdome style venue at Queens Park. Not to worry we can all catch the bus to Sherdley Park and look at a portrait of a fat drunk actor from our fantastic new bench!
So you'd deprive Steve Prescott? After all, he will be sharing the bench with the 'fat drunk actor' (who can actually be really funny sometimes).
[quote][p][bold]eddyspan[/bold] wrote: As stated in above posts the nearest similar decent facility is in wigan. The council turned down plans for a soccerdome style venue at Queens Park. Not to worry we can all catch the bus to Sherdley Park and look at a portrait of a fat drunk actor from our fantastic new bench![/p][/quote]So you'd deprive Steve Prescott? After all, he will be sharing the bench with the 'fat drunk actor' (who can actually be really funny sometimes). saintsfan
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5:55pm Sat 5 Jan 13

eddyspan says...

Steve Prescott. A man famous for his amazing physical endeavours. A place to sit down perhaps not the most suitable tribute. You miss the point here. People need things to do. Your rugby league bias is oozing all across the forum pages
Steve Prescott. A man famous for his amazing physical endeavours. A place to sit down perhaps not the most suitable tribute. You miss the point here. People need things to do. Your rugby league bias is oozing all across the forum pages eddyspan
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7:29pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Bobbington says...

saintsfan wrote:
Well, it's not like there aren't soccer facilities elsewhere within a short bus ride from St Helens. Soccer facilities are everywhere. While it's always a shame to see somewhere you have enjoyed close, it really isn't the end of the world. If it was a council facility then there are others to use; if it was a privately run operation then it isn't the council's fault if it has closed - and there are still alternatives.
I think it was privately run but that's not the main point - the main point is that there is no similar facility in the borough and the council seems to divert money away from leisure facilities and more towards trying to paint St.Helens as a cultural mecca - I can't be the only one who found the Heart Of The Northwest campaign laughable. How about the council trying to serve the townspeople and not squandering money on ego driven projects? Or are needles, roundabout statues and pretentious massive white heads actually giving taxpayers value for money?

You're about a facility in Wigan a short bus ride away though. There's also plenty of amateur rugby/football teams in Wigan so would it be so bad if St.Helens council sold all the local pitches to builders? I hear Wigan also has a park so why not sell off Taylor Pk, Rec Pk and Victoria Pk? There are many things in Wigan so why should the Council invest in anything when it's all just a short bus ride away?
[quote][p][bold]saintsfan[/bold] wrote: Well, it's not like there aren't soccer facilities elsewhere within a short bus ride from St Helens. Soccer facilities are everywhere. While it's always a shame to see somewhere you have enjoyed close, it really isn't the end of the world. If it was a council facility then there are others to use; if it was a privately run operation then it isn't the council's fault if it has closed - and there are still alternatives.[/p][/quote]I think it was privately run but that's not the main point - the main point is that there is no similar facility in the borough and the council seems to divert money away from leisure facilities and more towards trying to paint St.Helens as a cultural mecca - I can't be the only one who found the Heart Of The Northwest campaign laughable. How about the council trying to serve the townspeople and not squandering money on ego driven projects? Or are needles, roundabout statues and pretentious massive white heads actually giving taxpayers value for money? You're about a facility in Wigan a short bus ride away though. There's also plenty of amateur rugby/football teams in Wigan so would it be so bad if St.Helens council sold all the local pitches to builders? I hear Wigan also has a park so why not sell off Taylor Pk, Rec Pk and Victoria Pk? There are many things in Wigan so why should the Council invest in anything when it's all just a short bus ride away? Bobbington
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3:13pm Sun 6 Jan 13

saintsfan says...

Bobbington, if it was privately run then that is indeed the point - the Council has no jurisdiction over privately run facilities. Maybe - just maybe - there wasn't enough interest in a soccer facility in St Helens and that is why it has closed? With private facilities that is usually the reason for closure. If that in fact was the reason the facility closed then it was a justifiable reason. These things can't keep going if there isn't the interest.

You mock the cultural focus but developing that side of things does bring in visitors who would not normally see the town. We don't have a lot to offer, being formally a mining and glassmaking town only 200 years old and created specifically as a result of that mining and glassmaking, but the council does need to promote the town - that is part of its remit - and trying to develop cultural attractions is a definite plus in that respect. Without the very few such attractions in the town, we would have even fewer people spending money here than we have already.
Bobbington, if it was privately run then that is indeed the point - the Council has no jurisdiction over privately run facilities. Maybe - just maybe - there wasn't enough interest in a soccer facility in St Helens and that is why it has closed? With private facilities that is usually the reason for closure. If that in fact was the reason the facility closed then it was a justifiable reason. These things can't keep going if there isn't the interest. You mock the cultural focus but developing that side of things does bring in visitors who would not normally see the town. We don't have a lot to offer, being formally a mining and glassmaking town only 200 years old and created specifically as a result of that mining and glassmaking, but the council does need to promote the town - that is part of its remit - and trying to develop cultural attractions is a definite plus in that respect. Without the very few such attractions in the town, we would have even fewer people spending money here than we have already. saintsfan
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3:16pm Sun 6 Jan 13

saintsfan says...

eddyspan wrote:
Steve Prescott. A man famous for his amazing physical endeavours. A place to sit down perhaps not the most suitable tribute. You miss the point here. People need things to do. Your rugby league bias is oozing all across the forum pages
Actually, eddyspan, given that Steve Prescott is presently going through a course of chemotherapy, I would imagine a seat overlooking a bit of greenery would be very welcome at present.

I don't see how it is a reflection of my 'rugby league bias' (what a childish statement) to recognise what a marvellous effort Steve has made in not only his fundraising but also in trying to kick some life into his home town through the St Helens 10k run, the Santa Dash and the annual boating event at Taylor Park. He is doing more than 99% of the population of St Helens - including me - to try and bring life to the town. He shouldn't just get a bench but a whole building dedicated to him.
[quote][p][bold]eddyspan[/bold] wrote: Steve Prescott. A man famous for his amazing physical endeavours. A place to sit down perhaps not the most suitable tribute. You miss the point here. People need things to do. Your rugby league bias is oozing all across the forum pages[/p][/quote]Actually, eddyspan, given that Steve Prescott is presently going through a course of chemotherapy, I would imagine a seat overlooking a bit of greenery would be very welcome at present. I don't see how it is a reflection of my 'rugby league bias' (what a childish statement) to recognise what a marvellous effort Steve has made in not only his fundraising but also in trying to kick some life into his home town through the St Helens 10k run, the Santa Dash and the annual boating event at Taylor Park. He is doing more than 99% of the population of St Helens - including me - to try and bring life to the town. He shouldn't just get a bench but a whole building dedicated to him. saintsfan
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6:47pm Sun 6 Jan 13

jumper says...

Steve should certainly not even be mentioned . The point as usual is the facilities we have are not used.just have a look round or think what facilities are there to be used and their would are lots of places to go, but as I have said they will find any excuse to do now't than to do something worthwhile,should be reminded it is public property to be used not just inschool hrs
Steve should certainly not even be mentioned . The point as usual is the facilities we have are not used.just have a look round or think what facilities are there to be used and their would are lots of places to go, but as I have said they will find any excuse to do now't than to do something worthwhile,should be reminded it is public property to be used not just inschool hrs jumper
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7:43pm Sun 6 Jan 13

pitbullboxing says...

I want to know when we are going to have something to acknowledge George Groves. Now that man has influenced the world. Should be a local legend and definitely deserves more credit.
I want to know when we are going to have something to acknowledge George Groves. Now that man has influenced the world. Should be a local legend and definitely deserves more credit. pitbullboxing
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12:27pm Mon 7 Jan 13

eddyspan says...

Saintsfan

If you asked the kids and the parents of this town I'm sure they would not be the slightest bit interested in a bench. The focus of the tribute is irrelevant. Your idea of St Helens becoming some tourist mecca is bonkers. Just give us something to do!
Saintsfan If you asked the kids and the parents of this town I'm sure they would not be the slightest bit interested in a bench. The focus of the tribute is irrelevant. Your idea of St Helens becoming some tourist mecca is bonkers. Just give us something to do! eddyspan
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1:57pm Mon 7 Jan 13

pitbullboxing says...

Well said Eddie.
Well said Eddie. pitbullboxing
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11:06pm Mon 7 Jan 13

frankly says...

George Groves has a little plaque up..when you can see it, its not advertised
George Groves has a little plaque up..when you can see it, its not advertised frankly
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9:39am Tue 8 Jan 13

pitbullboxing says...

Where is it Frank?
Where is it Frank? pitbullboxing
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10:27am Tue 8 Jan 13

Terry B says...

In answer to Peter Yates original question - Yes, as long as this town is run by a set of small minded insular people it will never change and will get even duller as they refuse to acknowledge that other towns round and about have got it right, when they have got it wrong!
In answer to Peter Yates original question - Yes, as long as this town is run by a set of small minded insular people it will never change and will get even duller as they refuse to acknowledge that other towns round and about have got it right, when they have got it wrong! Terry B
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10:46am Tue 8 Jan 13

Terry B says...

Question: Where in St Helens Town centre can you park for up to 4 hours for free and without displaying a ticket? Answer: Nowhere.
You can in Widnes. Having just been fined £25 in a small car park in Rainhill - not for illegally parking - but just for not displaying a ticket in a car park that's FREE for 2 hours and staying for an hour and a half. And you wonder why people don't come and small business are shutting down for lack of custom. For I will not go there to park again and consequently shops there won't get my custom. What with business rates and the lack of free parking for a reasonable period of time, this council are throttling the lifeblood out of the town. And don't say it's free after 3 o'clock, that's just about when everyone's gone home! This council needs to recognise that there are other ways of doing things and when something works for others why not swallow your pride and try it!
Question: Where in St Helens Town centre can you park for up to 4 hours for free and without displaying a ticket? Answer: Nowhere. You can in Widnes. Having just been fined £25 in a small car park in Rainhill - not for illegally parking - but just for not displaying a ticket in a car park that's FREE for 2 hours and staying for an hour and a half. And you wonder why people don't come and small business are shutting down for lack of custom. For I will not go there to park again and consequently shops there won't get my custom. What with business rates and the lack of free parking for a reasonable period of time, this council are throttling the lifeblood out of the town. And don't say it's free after 3 o'clock, that's just about when everyone's gone home! This council needs to recognise that there are other ways of doing things and when something works for others why not swallow your pride and try it! Terry B
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4:53pm Tue 8 Jan 13

pitbullboxing says...

Great post Terry - if the council really cared about the town and the people - they would stand down and let somebody else - even of the same party - try instead. Having the same woman for nearly 2 decades cannot be good. Just look at the state of town.
Great post Terry - if the council really cared about the town and the people - they would stand down and let somebody else - even of the same party - try instead. Having the same woman for nearly 2 decades cannot be good. Just look at the state of town. pitbullboxing
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5:05pm Tue 8 Jan 13

jumper says...

You're not wrong pit should be a duration of time to be in charge ,never get new ideas when it is the same boss and then the followers. Should definitely be at least a log book of what the councillors are doing,they data protection just let us know what they are involved in locally no names no pack drill just what they are looking at .
You're not wrong pit should be a duration of time to be in charge ,never get new ideas when it is the same boss and then the followers. Should definitely be at least a log book of what the councillors are doing,they data protection just let us know what they are involved in locally no names no pack drill just what they are looking at . jumper
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8:26pm Tue 8 Jan 13

eddyspan says...

I think this is all down to the fact that everyone involved in politics is in it for the wrong reasons. They have nonsense agendas like forcing us to recycle and teling us what a great place to visit St Helens. If they took the time to listen to normal townsfolk they would realise they inhabit a different planet. All people want are decent jobs and something interesting to do with the money they earn. If the council had their way I'd spend my spare time cleaning tins and sorting waste!
I think this is all down to the fact that everyone involved in politics is in it for the wrong reasons. They have nonsense agendas like forcing us to recycle and teling us what a great place to visit St Helens. If they took the time to listen to normal townsfolk they would realise they inhabit a different planet. All people want are decent jobs and something interesting to do with the money they earn. If the council had their way I'd spend my spare time cleaning tins and sorting waste! eddyspan
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8:50pm Tue 8 Jan 13

frankly says...

Bully..Opposite Bartons , the little side street that cuts through to Lidl.
Bully..Opposite Bartons , the little side street that cuts through to Lidl. frankly
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8:53pm Tue 8 Jan 13

frankly says...

It was 1996 and the British Film Institute wanted to commemorate the Centenary of Cinema. Four of my nominations were accepted and four plaques were delivered.

The plaque to George Groves was erected in Hamer Street,
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Their you go Bully
It was 1996 and the British Film Institute wanted to commemorate the Centenary of Cinema. Four of my nominations were accepted and four plaques were delivered. The plaque to George Groves was erected in Hamer Street, //////////////////// //////////////////// ///////////////// Their you go Bully frankly
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8:59pm Tue 8 Jan 13

frankly says...

http://www.sthelenss
tar.co.uk/news/37630
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More info Bully
http://www.sthelenss tar.co.uk/news/37630 74.Curtain_up_on_our _Quiet_Little_Englis hman/ More info Bully frankly
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11:46pm Tue 8 Jan 13

pitbullboxing says...

Thanks Frank I'll take a look at that.
Thanks Frank I'll take a look at that. pitbullboxing
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7:19pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Terry B says...

pitbullboxing wrote:
Great post Terry - if the council really cared about the town and the people - they would stand down and let somebody else - even of the same party - try instead. Having the same woman for nearly 2 decades cannot be good. Just look at the state of town.
Couldn't agree more! These people feel so secure that they don't give a toss what we think. They're safe in knowledge that whatever they do their gold plated pension - paid for by us - will be waiting for them. That's why they're in local government and not in the private world - they'd never get away with it in the real world!
[quote][p][bold]pitbullboxing[/bold] wrote: Great post Terry - if the council really cared about the town and the people - they would stand down and let somebody else - even of the same party - try instead. Having the same woman for nearly 2 decades cannot be good. Just look at the state of town.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more! These people feel so secure that they don't give a toss what we think. They're safe in knowledge that whatever they do their gold plated pension - paid for by us - will be waiting for them. That's why they're in local government and not in the private world - they'd never get away with it in the real world! Terry B
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1:21pm Tue 22 Jan 13

domformula1 says...

Terry B wrote:
pitbullboxing wrote: Great post Terry - if the council really cared about the town and the people - they would stand down and let somebody else - even of the same party - try instead. Having the same woman for nearly 2 decades cannot be good. Just look at the state of town.
Couldn't agree more! These people feel so secure that they don't give a toss what we think. They're safe in knowledge that whatever they do their gold plated pension - paid for by us - will be waiting for them. That's why they're in local government and not in the private world - they'd never get away with it in the real world!
agreed, as others have said they're in the business for the wrong reasons, time we stopped putting the cart before the horse, leadership should return to the domain of being a calling / vocation, offer the job out for expenses only, no salary, break new ground and be the first in the country to do it, then see who comes forward to apply and how many that do so are from the current crop. That's the only way any politician will ever be a true decent leader, I'm not interested in anyone who wants to lead me in return for a hefty pay cheque
[quote][p][bold]Terry B[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pitbullboxing[/bold] wrote: Great post Terry - if the council really cared about the town and the people - they would stand down and let somebody else - even of the same party - try instead. Having the same woman for nearly 2 decades cannot be good. Just look at the state of town.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more! These people feel so secure that they don't give a toss what we think. They're safe in knowledge that whatever they do their gold plated pension - paid for by us - will be waiting for them. That's why they're in local government and not in the private world - they'd never get away with it in the real world![/p][/quote]agreed, as others have said they're in the business for the wrong reasons, time we stopped putting the cart before the horse, leadership should return to the domain of being a calling / vocation, offer the job out for expenses only, no salary, break new ground and be the first in the country to do it, then see who comes forward to apply and how many that do so are from the current crop. That's the only way any politician will ever be a true decent leader, I'm not interested in anyone who wants to lead me in return for a hefty pay cheque domformula1
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