Two in critical condition after Dream motorbike crash

7:20pm Sunday 16th September 2012 in News

Two in critical condition after Dream motorbike crash Two in critical condition after Dream motorbike crash

A TEENAGER and a man are fighting for their lives in hospital today after a horrific crash between two off road motorbikes on land near the Dream sculpture.

The 15-year-old boy and man, who is aged 28, are both in a critical condition in hospital after a collision yesterday afternoon (Sunday, September 16).

Both were airlifted to Aintree Hospital via air ambulance from the land near Sutton Manor shortly after 3.35pm.

A third man, aged 19, was taken by ambulance to Whiston Hospital with serious injuries, however, his condition is not thought to be life threatening at this time.

The M62 was closed in both directions to allow emergency services to access the scene. The three victims are from the Clock Face area, police confirmed.

An investigation into the circumstances surrounding the crash is continuing.

Police chiefs have urged witnesses to come forward.

A spokeswoman said: “It is thought that there were a number of people at the scene at time the of the collision and the site is clearly visible from the M62.

“Police are keen to talk to anyone who may have seen the collision or the bikes in the area earlier.”

Anyone with information is asked to call traffic investigators on 0151 777 5444 or call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

Do you know what happened? Contact the Star's newsroom on 01744 762766.

Comments(41)

Gothwitch says...
8:24pm Sun 16 Sep 12

Air ambulance was there earlier, both sides of the motorway were blocked off to traffic.. never seen so many blue flashing lights!

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derkdagger says...
8:42pm Sun 16 Sep 12

must be near the dream

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Gothwitch says...
11:15pm Sun 16 Sep 12

It was at the back of the Dream.. not on 'wasteland'
right opposite the houses on Union Bank lane

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frankly says...
10:08am Mon 17 Sep 12

MMmm..Off the road bikes eh....now that is news..ruddy noisy menaces

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tattyer says...
10:15am Mon 17 Sep 12

I thought it was illegal to ride motor cross bikes on common land. I hope the police take the correct action and prosecute those involved.

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anonymousxx says...
12:02pm Mon 17 Sep 12

@tattyer Let's not forget that two "of those involved" are in critical condition. I'm sure the number one priority at the moment is seeing the guys back to health.

Let's forget about the legal stuff for a moment and wish the boys a full recovery.

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anonymousxx says...
3:18pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Oh come on, have a heart. One of the boys is 15 years old for gods sake!

They were not burglars, they were riding their bikes somewhere they shouldn't have been. They hardly deserve to be lay in a hospital bed fighting for their lives!

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suttonboy says...
3:39pm Mon 17 Sep 12

anonymousxx wrote:
Oh come on, have a heart. One of the boys is 15 years old for gods sake!

They were not burglars, they were riding their bikes somewhere they shouldn't have been. They hardly deserve to be lay in a hospital bed fighting for their lives!
Would you be saying that if they'd have ploughed into a child? Motorbike vs 6 year old - doesn't bear thinking about.
Absolute menaces, they are.

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anonymousxx says...
3:55pm Mon 17 Sep 12

All I'm saying is.. what they were doing may have been illegal, but it wasn't the crime of the century and they certainly don't deserve to be in a critical condition.

I'm pretty sure they'll think twice about doing the same thing again. No-one else was hurt but the guys who were riding the bikes, so we really don't need to be saying things like "break the law, pay the consequences".

Are you telling me that if one of these lads was your child, you'd still say/think the same?
And don't give me none of the "my kids wouldn't do anything stupid, illegal, dangerous blah blah" cause no child is perfect and the kids that are brought up in the best way possible still make silly decisions sometimes.

Anyway as I said, I really hope they all make a full recovery and get well soon.

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St Helenser says...
4:09pm Mon 17 Sep 12

anonymousxx wrote:
Oh come on, have a heart. One of the boys is 15 years old for gods sake!

They were not burglars, they were riding their bikes somewhere they shouldn't have been. They hardly deserve to be lay in a hospital bed fighting for their lives!
My sympathies lie more with the family of the young girl killed on the M62 by someone going the wrong way.

Imagine if this incident had happened just after the scrambler bikes incident with all those emergency services tied up with people who were carrying out illegal activities.

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moonman77 says...
5:25pm Mon 17 Sep 12

anonymousxx wrote:
All I'm saying is.. what they were doing may have been illegal, but it wasn't the crime of the century and they certainly don't deserve to be in a critical condition. I'm pretty sure they'll think twice about doing the same thing again. No-one else was hurt but the guys who were riding the bikes, so we really don't need to be saying things like "break the law, pay the consequences". Are you telling me that if one of these lads was your child, you'd still say/think the same? And don't give me none of the "my kids wouldn't do anything stupid, illegal, dangerous blah blah" cause no child is perfect and the kids that are brought up in the best way possible still make silly decisions sometimes. Anyway as I said, I really hope they all make a full recovery and get well soon.
I hope that whether or not it was my child I would have the sense to condem their actions.

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anthonywilson says...
5:26pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Terrible to hear about this and I hope they have a speedy recovery.

For a long time people have used scrambler bikes on the Dream site when they know they shouldn't be doing so. More action is definitely needed to prevent people using scrambler bikes in unauthorised areas. It doesn't surprise me at all an accident has occured involving scrambler bikes based on what I have witnessed in the past while walking in the area around Dream.

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sue1982 says...
5:43pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Whilst their actions may have been illegal and silly, at the end of the day there are still 3 injured people here, 2 who at the minute are fighting for their lives. maybe some of u should spend your time praying for them and sending positive thoughts to their family members (which i am one of) rather than moaning about what menaces they are. there will be time to focus on their punishments at a later date. im sure your not that heartless to say that one of the consequences of their mistakes is to be lying in a hospital bed fighting for their lives.at the end of the day, thankfully no one else was involved and luckily no innocent passer bys where harmed. stop focusing on the what could have been and instead focus on the what has. yes 3 lads were out on motorbikes doing something they shouldnt have been, they had a tragic accident but they certainly do not deserve to be where they are. all of u sitting there preaching have surely made mistakes in your lives that you regret!!

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Sankey says...
6:47pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Wish the boys a speedy recovery.

Yes they did wrong yes they are a menace but are we so heartless in St Helens we feel the need to post comments as above.

I have done things wrong especially when I was young cut them some slack.

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cde says...
7:07pm Mon 17 Sep 12

come on guys give it a min there are people seriously injured here they may have broken the law but dont deserve this especially the 15 and 16 year olds maybe the 28 year old should of known better but hey thats why they are called accidents i think people should just hope they pull through and live up to the conciquences they will have to face and think them selfs lucky nobody else was hurt

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sue1982 says...
7:16pm Mon 17 Sep 12

as a 19 year old boy i can assure the choice to own a motorbike was a decision he made as an adult. at the end of the day 'frankly' you dont know the details of what happened and only know what u have read or what rumours u have heard. u dont know the people involved and are making out like they are vicious criminals, which i can certainly assure you neither one of them are. they are lads who have made a wrong decision and who will now have to sadly live with the consequences. we are certainly not asking for ur sympathy as you are no-one to us. get off your soap box and spare a thought for all the people who this is affecting. think about the poor mother who had to stand there yesterday and watch while her son was airlifted to hospital, and the other family members who are now keeping a bedside vigil praying for their loved one. clearly you feel u have lived a sin free life, something which i find hard to believe. you are sayign they 'could have' injured others. fact is they didnt! they injured themselves. it 'could have' easuly been your family member who chose to get on that bike. would you still be preaching then!!

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cde says...
7:22pm Mon 17 Sep 12

take no notice of these everyone makes mistakes and im sure this mistake will be there forever etched in there minds hoping for a spedy recovery and thoughts go out to all family members involved

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derkdagger says...
7:26pm Mon 17 Sep 12

i've had a few lucky escapes on there myself whilst walking my dogs

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NicolaTarbuck says...
7:38pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Wel let me just say to all u heartless people! The boys Wer Havin fun ye on the main roads but if this **** hole place actually did something with the land that doesn't get used and made it for people to go on motor bike then maybe it wouldn't of happened in the first place! Have u got kids of h own??? How can u sleep at night when u say things like that knowin that these boys might lose there lives! Sick you are!

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PM says...
7:58pm Mon 17 Sep 12

smith&weston wrote:
What about all the hard working individuals and business's that where inconvenienced by the closure of the M62 ? Why must they put up and shut up because of what was clearly an avoidable accident that took place due to some one breaking the law with scant regard to the consequences of their actions ? At 28 and 19, two of the participants are ADULTS.
you moan when you are inconvenienced by major sporting activities , Olympic relays , road works and now emergency services getting to critically injured people. Perhaps you'd like everyone else to move out of St Helens and just you and your customers can have the town for yourselves?

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PM says...
7:59pm Mon 17 Sep 12

Sankey wrote:
Wish the boys a speedy recovery. Yes they did wrong yes they are a menace but are we so heartless in St Helens we feel the need to post comments as above. I have done things wrong especially when I was young cut them some slack.
My thoughts exactly.

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peggy1 says...
8:16pm Mon 17 Sep 12

as a mother my thoughts are with the family's of all the people involved hope all a quick recovery x

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moonman77 says...
8:31pm Mon 17 Sep 12

NicolaTarbuck wrote:
Wel let me just say to all u heartless people! The boys Wer Havin fun ye on the main roads but if this **** hole place actually did something with the land that doesn't get used and made it for people to go on motor bike then maybe it wouldn't of happened in the first place! Have u got kids of h own??? How can u sleep at night when u say things like that knowin that these boys might lose there lives! Sick you are!
I rest my case.

Anyway, speedy recovery to the lads.

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chunkymunky says...
8:40pm Mon 17 Sep 12

PM wrote:
smith&weston wrote:
What about all the hard working individuals and business's that where inconvenienced by the closure of the M62 ? Why must they put up and shut up because of what was clearly an avoidable accident that took place due to some one breaking the law with scant regard to the consequences of their actions ? At 28 and 19, two of the participants are ADULTS.
you moan when you are inconvenienced by major sporting activities , Olympic relays , road works and now emergency services getting to critically injured people. Perhaps you'd like everyone else to move out of St Helens and just you and your customers can have the town for yourselves?
This is why I don't even interact with S&W! Nothing but a moaning vile daily mail reader with nothing but vileness to spew out due to the miserable life he evidently leads!!

Crawl back under your rock you horrible waste of human cells!!

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lou duff says...
8:46pm Mon 17 Sep 12

tattyer wrote:
I thought it was illegal to ride motor cross bikes on common land. I hope the police take the correct action and prosecute those involved.
prosecute those involved , did u not read the same story i read there fighting for there lives ffs have some pitty will ya

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lou duff says...
9:02pm Mon 17 Sep 12

tell ya wat im totally ashamed to say i come from sthelens after reading this ,,, my god there is a 15 year old child fighting for his life , ffs i think some people forget we was all young once and did mad silly things but comeon they dont deserve this **** , i hope u all sleep well tonight and dont have a restless night thinking about how horrible ur comments are ,

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Pecker187 says...
9:38pm Mon 17 Sep 12

You heartless people people are fighting for there lives and all you care about is the fact that they broke the law when infact it isn't illegal to own a motocross bike and if the council actually did somewhere for the bikes to go none of this would of happened they are to busy spending stupid amounts of money on daft monuments such as the dream there is hundreds of youths gettin done for riding illegally they have a passion for a sport that can't be done round st Helen's cause there is nowhere to do it and to many busy bodys that have never had a life that report it . Rant over I just hope all injured make a full recovery my heart is with everybody involved .

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dan0712 says...
9:44pm Mon 17 Sep 12

i find this absolutely disgusting that you think that its okay to write such things when 2 of these people are in critical condition. Everyone can accept the fact that they was in the wrong for what they have done but to start talking legally about this before we even know if any of the 2 lads will come out of it alive is beyond me!! Sometimes i wonder how people sleep at night when making such comments, you ought to be ashamed of yourselves, if it was your 15 year old child in that position would you respect these posts? I rest my case...............

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melndaz88 says...
9:57pm Mon 17 Sep 12

omg never read such horrible things, lets get this right they where on a field riding motorbikes not on a road in a street or riding round a play area, i would rather them be riding round a field than taking drugs drinking and mugging people, it gives them something to do which is alot better than drinkin on street corners if u ask me, wish them both a full recovery

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melndaz88 says...
10:02pm Mon 17 Sep 12

frankly wrote:
So, Sue, one is a family member..So i ask this question, why did his/your family allow him to have an illegal bike in the first place..And as others say, maybe it is bad to be in a critical condition, but HE COULD HAVE crittically injured an inocent child/person that was near by, so thats why i have no sympathy, they were just being stupid.
in case u havent noticed its not illegal to own a scrambler, (your mistake thinking it was) so maybe do some research before criticizing children who are trying to have fun,

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law1973 says...
10:34pm Mon 17 Sep 12

As a mother of 3 children one of whom rides a motor bike I find it discussing that you feel the need to bring your heartless comments to this page I am from clock face myself and we are a close nit community.none of us say our children or ourselfs are perfect but they were out having some fun and yes maybe they weren't supposed to be there but we all do things at times were not supposed to we all just hope and pray these boys pull thro and all our thoughts are with there familys you need to hope that none of your family end up in a situation like this mr heartless .....

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sue1982 says...
10:49pm Mon 17 Sep 12

couldnt agree more law. at the end of the day whats right or wrong doesnt matter at the moment. what matters is 3 people....2 fighting for their lives and 1 seriously injured..all with loving familes and friends who dont need to be reading comments slating the lads. we need support and prayers. riding an off road bike is not the crime of the century. i can think of much worse things they could have been doing, they were off the streets doing something they enjoyed and sadly it ended with an accident!

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dan0712 says...
10:57pm Mon 17 Sep 12

smith&weston wrote:
' if the council actually did somewhere for the bikes to go none of this would of happened'... I've read some rubbish on this board but this really takes the biscuit. Should the council also provide facilities for those who wish to indulge in dog fights or those people who want to razz around in stolen cars. Should they provide some where for people to do illegal drugs or enjoy an underage drink.?
i think that everyone has clearly stated that your idiotic comments are not wanted, nor are they relevant, like sue said the family want to hear prayers not people slating the lads! get off your high horse as there is people fighting for their lives, although by the looks of things you havent even took that into consideration you idiotic prat!

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sue1982 says...
10:58pm Mon 17 Sep 12

why make such a pointless comment?? a legal place to ride an off road motorbike has nothing to do with underage drinking, drugs or dog fights. it doesnt even fall into the same category!

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smith&weston says...
11:06pm Mon 17 Sep 12

I see the upright liberals have taken to the board, reporting comments and having peoples views removed. Why did we fight two world wars to retain freedom of speech ?
So you want to live in a lawless society, where one persons self gratification must be allowed regardless of any possible consequences. Well try remembering that some of us don't want to live like that. The level of name calling on here seems to go hand in hand with the ' law broken so what " attitude being displayed.

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law1973 says...
11:09pm Mon 17 Sep 12

My 19 year old son had a motorbike accident last year fully legal on the road might I add,thro no fault of his was a idiotic driver in front of him and his friends.him and his friend was injured but thankfully not seriously my life flashed before me when that happened so I carnt begin to imagine how the parents and family feel of these lads.all them family's need is people supporting them not idiotic comments these negative nasty comments don't deserve anyone's time

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dan0712 says...
11:12pm Mon 17 Sep 12

I don't live like that either, but i like to show a bit of compassion when others are seriously hurt, its called common decency but im sure that goes out of the window with your morals, standards and your common sense!! give it a rest with your arsey little educated sentences as its boring me for one and the rest of st.helens! sometimes i really do wonder what type of people we have living in this world...

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dollar10 says...
12:32am Tue 18 Sep 12

think those who point fingers should remember when they do theres always 3 fingers pointing back at themselves :-( it must be wonderful to lead a fault free life, none of us are angels majority of people have done something wrong at sometime or another in their life, lets just think of those lads & their families at this time instead of judging x & as for smith&weston get off your high horse & take your comments & your high morals back to where you came from !!!!

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clockfaceguy says...
4:36am Tue 18 Sep 12

Were the Police our £32,000+ a Year Police-State 'Enforcers' involved in chasing the Guys-Lads? I was 'told' they were just before the Crash (but hear no mention of this in Press or TV!) if so- correct that may explain their excess Speed-Recklessness on poor gravel covered slippy ground.Yes according to many above any Teenage Lad learning to ride or about bikes is a wicked deserving Years in Jail, the fact is recently Police Press & Courts have been Criminalising Lads especially from poorer areas labeling them as Chav's etc.
Speeding causes many UK Deaths every Year, do none of these 'perfect Citizens' we hear writing above ever drive over these Limits? I think they do! .
I am 51 Years but when 16 Years old me & Mate used to push our bike for Miles to ride off road. We learnt how to ride & how to fix them. Occasionally those watchful Cops would stop us & check it wasn't stolen or used on the Road but to their credit always let us go on, these Days it would be taken-Seized & crushed instantly Nay Gleefully, no wonder they want to get away from Authorities to ride another Day I don't see may Fun Leisure Activities for our Young Guys and we Boys do Love our Big Boys Toys whether it's a £40,000 BMW an Audi or a £50 scrambler-Quad.

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clockfaceguy says...
4:54am Tue 18 Sep 12

I do wish these Lads had had a Helmet on my old Dad hated me going on Motorbikes but did Insist-Lecture me how important this was, and we listened, not a Guarantee of safety but Protects most Vital area. While I am on my Soapbox ask why over 41+ Innocent none Criminal British people have been Shot (15 to death) by Police Firearms Officers in the last 12 Years and No Officer has Ever faced Criminal Charges or lost their Jobs!.
The victims include Jimmy Ashley a Scouser shot Dead while asleep Naked in Bed in Hastings with his Mrs over false incorrect 'Heroine' Rumours-Gossip . Or Harry Stanley, 46, shot dead on his way home from Pub carrying a table leg made by his chippy mate, Google Armed and Dangerous read the Articles.

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clockfaceguy says...
5:50am Tue 18 Sep 12

Very many of these well Motivated Intelligent & fit Career Policeman like their 0-60 in 2 Seconds Super Bikes Ninja's etc, I know I have known several of the Guys, and only a Naive Person believes they don't sometimes 'give it the Gun' they do and Frankly with such Awesome Machines I can't Blame them one bit! but a 300 lb bike moving at 70-150mph has to be a potential Danger to any Motorist but they get let off if caught speeding, Please have some Empathy for these Guys-Lads Loved ones, one of these Guys Is a Dad to a Young Child just like these 'Hyper respectable' 'Law Abiding' Peugeot Focus BMW driving Commentors above.

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