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DEBATE: Rugby club fights for future (Updated)
9:40am Friday 1st February 2008
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OFFICIALS at an amateur rugby league club have vowed to come out fighting' after a planning verdict dealt a heavy blow to their hopes of moving to a new ground.
Pilks Recs, who have more than 300 junior and adult players on their books, were responding after St Helens Council's Planning Committee knocked back proposals to create sports facilities on Victoria Park.
"If we agree that kids have to go somewhere and have something to do, but refuse to use our local parks to their full potential, then what alternative do these objectors and the council have for investing in sports?"
Posted by DS, from Blackbrook
The decision was welcomed by neighbours living opposite the park who claimed sports facilities would lead to a loss of open space and create parking congestion on match days.
However, the verdict was a bodyblow to the rugby club. John Rees, 29, from Pilks Recs, said: "We're disappointed but we are going to come out fighting. We plan to generate plenty of public interest about our plight."
The club's chairman Ralph Rawsthorne, 49, added: "We feel the objections are very short-sighted and people are not seeing the bigger picture.
"I cannot understand how on one hand residents complain about youth disorder and then object when a rugby club that brings children into sport and creates community spirit tries to secure its future."
The Victoria Park scheme would have been the catalyst for Recs, one of the country's most famous amateur clubs, to re-locate at the council-owned Bishop Road playing fields.
Recs' current City Road sports ground is up for sale by glass giants Pilkington, who are seeking planning permission to build housing on the rugby pitches and surrounding land.
The company, however, needs to offer compensatory sports facilities for those that would be lost at City Road, or otherwise face planning consent being blocked by Sport England opposition.
The Victoria Park plan - for two football pitches, a sports pavilion, netball court and improved bowling green - was submitted by the property arm of Pilkington Ltd. and would have become a base for football teams currently using Bishop Road.
Following the closure of the Windle City social club last year, Recs now use St Helens Cricket Club in Windleshaw Road (which adjoins the fields at Bishop Road) as a post-match base, but are anxious for their long-term playing future to be secured.
Meanwhile, ALPS - Pilkington's property arm - says it is now considering alternative sites where sports pitches can be re-located, but they have not ruled out an appeal against the planning decision.
Peter Alcock, ALPS' chief executive, said: "It is a little early to know for certain whether we are appealing, but that is one of the options we are considering."
Following the Star's reports about the knock-back of two sports developments this week in the face of neighbours' protests, St Helens Council leader Brian Spencer said the decisions were made "under due democratic process listening to the views of people who live around the two parks."
Cllr. Spencer, who represents the Liberal Democrat party, said a meeting is planned with ALPs with a view to finding an alternative site for the sports facilities.
THERE has already been a torrent of messages about this controversial rejection... Want to add your own views? Comment below.
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josie sloan, victoria park says...
12:57pm Fri 25 Jan 08
josie sloan, victoria park says...
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josie sloan, victoria park says...
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josie sloan, victoria park says...
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Alfiesays, St Helens says...
1:38pm Fri 25 Jan 08
Alfiesays, St Helens says...
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Alfiesays, St Helens says...
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Alfiesays, St Helens says...
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Alfiesays, St Helens says...
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Alfiesays, St Helens says...
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Ste of the Warrington Casuals, South Stand Bottom left says...
2:54pm Fri 25 Jan 08
Ste of the Warrington Casuals, South Stand Bottom left says...
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Ste of the Warrington Casuals, South Stand Bottom left says...
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Ste of the Warrington Casuals, South Stand Bottom left says...
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Ste of the Warrington Casuals, South Stand Bottom left says...
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Ste of the Warrington Casuals, South Stand Bottom left says...
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Ste of the Warrington Casuals, South Stand Bottom left says...
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Ste of the Warrington Casuals, South Stand Bottom left says...
2:54pm Fri 25 Jan 08
GB, says...
3:12pm Fri 25 Jan 08
there goes the green light for any group of nimbys to stop any development they wish, regardless of the need for the development in terms of community facilities,sporting facilities and jobs.I assumed the council ALSO has a duty to provide facilities for the community, to encourage sports and encourage investment into our town? Is this not the case? Have the council now given up even attempting to bring to St Helens what other areas take for granted? .There were 14 (FOURTEEN) individual letters of objection about Viccy Park, that's hardly the views of everyone living around the park.300 local kids and adults are involved with Pilks recs.Where is the 'democracy' in that? What a joke!!!
let's hear no more bleating from these councillors about anti social behaviour and kids out of control.You reap what you sow!
GB, says...
3:12pm Fri 25 Jan 08
there goes the green light for any group of nimbys to stop any development they wish, regardless of the need for the development in terms of community facilities,sporting facilities and jobs.I assumed the council ALSO has a duty to provide facilities for the community, to encourage sports and encourage investment into our town? Is this not the case? Have the council now given up even attempting to bring to St Helens what other areas take for granted? .There were 14 (FOURTEEN) individual letters of objection about Viccy Park, that's hardly the views of everyone living around the park.300 local kids and adults are involved with Pilks recs.Where is the 'democracy' in that? What a joke!!!
let's hear no more bleating from these councillors about anti social behaviour and kids out of control.You reap what you sow!
GB, says...
3:12pm Fri 25 Jan 08
there goes the green light for any group of nimbys to stop any development they wish, regardless of the need for the development in terms of community facilities,sporting facilities and jobs.I assumed the council ALSO has a duty to provide facilities for the community, to encourage sports and encourage investment into our town? Is this not the case? Have the council now given up even attempting to bring to St Helens what other areas take for granted? .There were 14 (FOURTEEN) individual letters of objection about Viccy Park, that's hardly the views of everyone living around the park.300 local kids and adults are involved with Pilks recs.Where is the 'democracy' in that? What a joke!!!
let's hear no more bleating from these councillors about anti social behaviour and kids out of control.You reap what you sow!
GB, says...
3:12pm Fri 25 Jan 08
there goes the green light for any group of nimbys to stop any development they wish, regardless of the need for the development in terms of community facilities,sporting facilities and jobs.I assumed the council ALSO has a duty to provide facilities for the community, to encourage sports and encourage investment into our town? Is this not the case? Have the council now given up even attempting to bring to St Helens what other areas take for granted? .There were 14 (FOURTEEN) individual letters of objection about Viccy Park, that's hardly the views of everyone living around the park.300 local kids and adults are involved with Pilks recs.Where is the 'democracy' in that? What a joke!!!
let's hear no more bleating from these councillors about anti social behaviour and kids out of control.You reap what you sow!
GB, says...
3:12pm Fri 25 Jan 08
there goes the green light for any group of nimbys to stop any development they wish, regardless of the need for the development in terms of community facilities,sporting facilities and jobs.I assumed the council ALSO has a duty to provide facilities for the community, to encourage sports and encourage investment into our town? Is this not the case? Have the council now given up even attempting to bring to St Helens what other areas take for granted? .There were 14 (FOURTEEN) individual letters of objection about Viccy Park, that's hardly the views of everyone living around the park.300 local kids and adults are involved with Pilks recs.Where is the 'democracy' in that? What a joke!!!
let's hear no more bleating from these councillors about anti social behaviour and kids out of control.You reap what you sow!
GB, says...
3:12pm Fri 25 Jan 08
there goes the green light for any group of nimbys to stop any development they wish, regardless of the need for the development in terms of community facilities,sporting facilities and jobs.I assumed the council ALSO has a duty to provide facilities for the community, to encourage sports and encourage investment into our town? Is this not the case? Have the council now given up even attempting to bring to St Helens what other areas take for granted? .There were 14 (FOURTEEN) individual letters of objection about Viccy Park, that's hardly the views of everyone living around the park.300 local kids and adults are involved with Pilks recs.Where is the 'democracy' in that? What a joke!!!
let's hear no more bleating from these councillors about anti social behaviour and kids out of control.You reap what you sow!
GB, says...
3:12pm Fri 25 Jan 08
there goes the green light for any group of nimbys to stop any development they wish, regardless of the need for the development in terms of community facilities,sporting facilities and jobs.I assumed the council ALSO has a duty to provide facilities for the community, to encourage sports and encourage investment into our town? Is this not the case? Have the council now given up even attempting to bring to St Helens what other areas take for granted? .There were 14 (FOURTEEN) individual letters of objection about Viccy Park, that's hardly the views of everyone living around the park.300 local kids and adults are involved with Pilks recs.Where is the 'democracy' in that? What a joke!!!
let's hear no more bleating from these councillors about anti social behaviour and kids out of control.You reap what you sow!
GB, says...
3:12pm Fri 25 Jan 08
there goes the green light for any group of nimbys to stop any development they wish, regardless of the need for the development in terms of community facilities,sporting facilities and jobs.I assumed the council ALSO has a duty to provide facilities for the community, to encourage sports and encourage investment into our town? Is this not the case? Have the council now given up even attempting to bring to St Helens what other areas take for granted? .There were 14 (FOURTEEN) individual letters of objection about Viccy Park, that's hardly the views of everyone living around the park.300 local kids and adults are involved with Pilks recs.Where is the 'democracy' in that? What a joke!!!
let's hear no more bleating from these councillors about anti social behaviour and kids out of control.You reap what you sow!
CP, St Helens says...
4:22pm Fri 25 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
4:22pm Fri 25 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
4:22pm Fri 25 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
4:22pm Fri 25 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
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CP, St Helens says...
4:22pm Fri 25 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
4:22pm Fri 25 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
4:22pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug, says...
5:31pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug, says...
5:31pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug, says...
5:31pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug, says...
5:31pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug, says...
5:31pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug, says...
5:31pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug, says...
5:31pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug, says...
5:31pm Fri 25 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
6:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug wrote:So people who cannot construct a letter are not entitled to have a say.The pre-prepared forms were organised by local community groups so everyone could have a say.
\"other forms\" could simply mean a signature on a pre prepared form.Big deal! Anyone can sign a petition without giving two hoots about the issues involved, as easily as anyone can sign a pre written form. Individuial letters of objection are the only true litmus test of local feeling and there were only 14 letters.Why give the whole of St Helens a say on a statue for saints and not give the whole of st helens a say on sports facilities for the town?if 14 letters is enough to stop a major sports development we may as well close up shop in st helens and tell investors to go elsewhere with their money and plans.I\'m sure they are already taking note.
CP, St Helens says...
6:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug wrote:So people who cannot construct a letter are not entitled to have a say.The pre-prepared forms were organised by local community groups so everyone could have a say.
\"other forms\" could simply mean a signature on a pre prepared form.Big deal! Anyone can sign a petition without giving two hoots about the issues involved, as easily as anyone can sign a pre written form. Individuial letters of objection are the only true litmus test of local feeling and there were only 14 letters.Why give the whole of St Helens a say on a statue for saints and not give the whole of st helens a say on sports facilities for the town?if 14 letters is enough to stop a major sports development we may as well close up shop in st helens and tell investors to go elsewhere with their money and plans.I\'m sure they are already taking note.
CP, St Helens says...
6:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug wrote:So people who cannot construct a letter are not entitled to have a say.The pre-prepared forms were organised by local community groups so everyone could have a say.
\"other forms\" could simply mean a signature on a pre prepared form.Big deal! Anyone can sign a petition without giving two hoots about the issues involved, as easily as anyone can sign a pre written form. Individuial letters of objection are the only true litmus test of local feeling and there were only 14 letters.Why give the whole of St Helens a say on a statue for saints and not give the whole of st helens a say on sports facilities for the town?if 14 letters is enough to stop a major sports development we may as well close up shop in st helens and tell investors to go elsewhere with their money and plans.I\'m sure they are already taking note.
CP, St Helens says...
6:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug wrote:So people who cannot construct a letter are not entitled to have a say.The pre-prepared forms were organised by local community groups so everyone could have a say.
\"other forms\" could simply mean a signature on a pre prepared form.Big deal! Anyone can sign a petition without giving two hoots about the issues involved, as easily as anyone can sign a pre written form. Individuial letters of objection are the only true litmus test of local feeling and there were only 14 letters.Why give the whole of St Helens a say on a statue for saints and not give the whole of st helens a say on sports facilities for the town?if 14 letters is enough to stop a major sports development we may as well close up shop in st helens and tell investors to go elsewhere with their money and plans.I\'m sure they are already taking note.
CP, St Helens says...
6:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug wrote:So people who cannot construct a letter are not entitled to have a say.The pre-prepared forms were organised by local community groups so everyone could have a say.
\"other forms\" could simply mean a signature on a pre prepared form.Big deal! Anyone can sign a petition without giving two hoots about the issues involved, as easily as anyone can sign a pre written form. Individuial letters of objection are the only true litmus test of local feeling and there were only 14 letters.Why give the whole of St Helens a say on a statue for saints and not give the whole of st helens a say on sports facilities for the town?if 14 letters is enough to stop a major sports development we may as well close up shop in st helens and tell investors to go elsewhere with their money and plans.I\'m sure they are already taking note.
CP, St Helens says...
6:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug wrote:So people who cannot construct a letter are not entitled to have a say.The pre-prepared forms were organised by local community groups so everyone could have a say.
\"other forms\" could simply mean a signature on a pre prepared form.Big deal! Anyone can sign a petition without giving two hoots about the issues involved, as easily as anyone can sign a pre written form. Individuial letters of objection are the only true litmus test of local feeling and there were only 14 letters.Why give the whole of St Helens a say on a statue for saints and not give the whole of st helens a say on sports facilities for the town?if 14 letters is enough to stop a major sports development we may as well close up shop in st helens and tell investors to go elsewhere with their money and plans.I\'m sure they are already taking note.
CP, St Helens says...
6:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug wrote:So people who cannot construct a letter are not entitled to have a say.The pre-prepared forms were organised by local community groups so everyone could have a say.
\"other forms\" could simply mean a signature on a pre prepared form.Big deal! Anyone can sign a petition without giving two hoots about the issues involved, as easily as anyone can sign a pre written form. Individuial letters of objection are the only true litmus test of local feeling and there were only 14 letters.Why give the whole of St Helens a say on a statue for saints and not give the whole of st helens a say on sports facilities for the town?if 14 letters is enough to stop a major sports development we may as well close up shop in st helens and tell investors to go elsewhere with their money and plans.I\'m sure they are already taking note.
CP, St Helens says...
6:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
BDoug wrote:So people who cannot construct a letter are not entitled to have a say.The pre-prepared forms were organised by local community groups so everyone could have a say.
\"other forms\" could simply mean a signature on a pre prepared form.Big deal! Anyone can sign a petition without giving two hoots about the issues involved, as easily as anyone can sign a pre written form. Individuial letters of objection are the only true litmus test of local feeling and there were only 14 letters.Why give the whole of St Helens a say on a statue for saints and not give the whole of st helens a say on sports facilities for the town?if 14 letters is enough to stop a major sports development we may as well close up shop in st helens and tell investors to go elsewhere with their money and plans.I\'m sure they are already taking note.
D. Prescott, St. Helens says...
8:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott, St. Helens says...
8:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott, St. Helens says...
8:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott, St. Helens says...
8:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott, St. Helens says...
8:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott, St. Helens says...
8:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott, St. Helens says...
8:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott, St. Helens says...
8:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
9:49pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott wrote:Already happens with or without pilks recs,and always will without security.
I don't know what people expect. Pilks Recs and other clubs give youngsters something to do instead of hanging around the streets The people objecting would be the first to moan about gangs in Victoria Park or hanging around the streets. Parks are meant to be used for recreation at the moment there is a lovely big park not being used to its full potential so come on give these people who run clubs for our youngsters aome encouragment instead of knock backs all the time and you St. Helens Council get your act together I thought you was trying to help our youngesters and help them get fit as well.
CP, St Helens says...
9:49pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott wrote:Already happens with or without pilks recs,and always will without security.
I don't know what people expect. Pilks Recs and other clubs give youngsters something to do instead of hanging around the streets The people objecting would be the first to moan about gangs in Victoria Park or hanging around the streets. Parks are meant to be used for recreation at the moment there is a lovely big park not being used to its full potential so come on give these people who run clubs for our youngsters aome encouragment instead of knock backs all the time and you St. Helens Council get your act together I thought you was trying to help our youngesters and help them get fit as well.
CP, St Helens says...
9:49pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott wrote:Already happens with or without pilks recs,and always will without security.
I don't know what people expect. Pilks Recs and other clubs give youngsters something to do instead of hanging around the streets The people objecting would be the first to moan about gangs in Victoria Park or hanging around the streets. Parks are meant to be used for recreation at the moment there is a lovely big park not being used to its full potential so come on give these people who run clubs for our youngsters aome encouragment instead of knock backs all the time and you St. Helens Council get your act together I thought you was trying to help our youngesters and help them get fit as well.
CP, St Helens says...
9:49pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott wrote:Already happens with or without pilks recs,and always will without security.
I don't know what people expect. Pilks Recs and other clubs give youngsters something to do instead of hanging around the streets The people objecting would be the first to moan about gangs in Victoria Park or hanging around the streets. Parks are meant to be used for recreation at the moment there is a lovely big park not being used to its full potential so come on give these people who run clubs for our youngsters aome encouragment instead of knock backs all the time and you St. Helens Council get your act together I thought you was trying to help our youngesters and help them get fit as well.
CP, St Helens says...
9:49pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott wrote:Already happens with or without pilks recs,and always will without security.
I don't know what people expect. Pilks Recs and other clubs give youngsters something to do instead of hanging around the streets The people objecting would be the first to moan about gangs in Victoria Park or hanging around the streets. Parks are meant to be used for recreation at the moment there is a lovely big park not being used to its full potential so come on give these people who run clubs for our youngsters aome encouragment instead of knock backs all the time and you St. Helens Council get your act together I thought you was trying to help our youngesters and help them get fit as well.
CP, St Helens says...
9:49pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott wrote:Already happens with or without pilks recs,and always will without security.
I don't know what people expect. Pilks Recs and other clubs give youngsters something to do instead of hanging around the streets The people objecting would be the first to moan about gangs in Victoria Park or hanging around the streets. Parks are meant to be used for recreation at the moment there is a lovely big park not being used to its full potential so come on give these people who run clubs for our youngsters aome encouragment instead of knock backs all the time and you St. Helens Council get your act together I thought you was trying to help our youngesters and help them get fit as well.
CP, St Helens says...
9:49pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott wrote:Already happens with or without pilks recs,and always will without security.
I don't know what people expect. Pilks Recs and other clubs give youngsters something to do instead of hanging around the streets The people objecting would be the first to moan about gangs in Victoria Park or hanging around the streets. Parks are meant to be used for recreation at the moment there is a lovely big park not being used to its full potential so come on give these people who run clubs for our youngsters aome encouragment instead of knock backs all the time and you St. Helens Council get your act together I thought you was trying to help our youngesters and help them get fit as well.
CP, St Helens says...
9:49pm Fri 25 Jan 08
D. Prescott wrote:Already happens with or without pilks recs,and always will without security.
I don't know what people expect. Pilks Recs and other clubs give youngsters something to do instead of hanging around the streets The people objecting would be the first to moan about gangs in Victoria Park or hanging around the streets. Parks are meant to be used for recreation at the moment there is a lovely big park not being used to its full potential so come on give these people who run clubs for our youngsters aome encouragment instead of knock backs all the time and you St. Helens Council get your act together I thought you was trying to help our youngesters and help them get fit as well.
GB, says...
11:50pm Fri 25 Jan 08
s and investment in the community will lead to more kids with nothing to do and lots of energy, always has and always will. Obesity is a growing problem and a timebomb for the NHS and future tax payers in years to come, it seems our council's answer to this is to relegate sports activities and investment in sports below the 'needs" (and I use the term as loosely as possible) of nimbys.When you buy a house you don't buy everything within a 500 yard radius too.
It seems the nimbys want the sports developments to go in the park down the road, in the full knowledge that a group of nimbys will say NO no matter where the sports facilities are to be sited.The ball is most certainly in the council's court to help out this famous rugby club and to give our town's youngsters-and adults- the sports facilities they need.They've got one huge black mark against their name already!
GB, says...
11:50pm Fri 25 Jan 08
s and investment in the community will lead to more kids with nothing to do and lots of energy, always has and always will. Obesity is a growing problem and a timebomb for the NHS and future tax payers in years to come, it seems our council's answer to this is to relegate sports activities and investment in sports below the 'needs" (and I use the term as loosely as possible) of nimbys.When you buy a house you don't buy everything within a 500 yard radius too.
It seems the nimbys want the sports developments to go in the park down the road, in the full knowledge that a group of nimbys will say NO no matter where the sports facilities are to be sited.The ball is most certainly in the council's court to help out this famous rugby club and to give our town's youngsters-and adults- the sports facilities they need.They've got one huge black mark against their name already!
GB, says...
11:50pm Fri 25 Jan 08
s and investment in the community will lead to more kids with nothing to do and lots of energy, always has and always will. Obesity is a growing problem and a timebomb for the NHS and future tax payers in years to come, it seems our council's answer to this is to relegate sports activities and investment in sports below the 'needs" (and I use the term as loosely as possible) of nimbys.When you buy a house you don't buy everything within a 500 yard radius too.
It seems the nimbys want the sports developments to go in the park down the road, in the full knowledge that a group of nimbys will say NO no matter where the sports facilities are to be sited.The ball is most certainly in the council's court to help out this famous rugby club and to give our town's youngsters-and adults- the sports facilities they need.They've got one huge black mark against their name already!
GB, says...
11:50pm Fri 25 Jan 08
s and investment in the community will lead to more kids with nothing to do and lots of energy, always has and always will. Obesity is a growing problem and a timebomb for the NHS and future tax payers in years to come, it seems our council's answer to this is to relegate sports activities and investment in sports below the 'needs" (and I use the term as loosely as possible) of nimbys.When you buy a house you don't buy everything within a 500 yard radius too.
It seems the nimbys want the sports developments to go in the park down the road, in the full knowledge that a group of nimbys will say NO no matter where the sports facilities are to be sited.The ball is most certainly in the council's court to help out this famous rugby club and to give our town's youngsters-and adults- the sports facilities they need.They've got one huge black mark against their name already!
GB, says...
11:50pm Fri 25 Jan 08
s and investment in the community will lead to more kids with nothing to do and lots of energy, always has and always will. Obesity is a growing problem and a timebomb for the NHS and future tax payers in years to come, it seems our council's answer to this is to relegate sports activities and investment in sports below the 'needs" (and I use the term as loosely as possible) of nimbys.When you buy a house you don't buy everything within a 500 yard radius too.
It seems the nimbys want the sports developments to go in the park down the road, in the full knowledge that a group of nimbys will say NO no matter where the sports facilities are to be sited.The ball is most certainly in the council's court to help out this famous rugby club and to give our town's youngsters-and adults- the sports facilities they need.They've got one huge black mark against their name already!
GB, says...
11:50pm Fri 25 Jan 08
s and investment in the community will lead to more kids with nothing to do and lots of energy, always has and always will. Obesity is a growing problem and a timebomb for the NHS and future tax payers in years to come, it seems our council's answer to this is to relegate sports activities and investment in sports below the 'needs" (and I use the term as loosely as possible) of nimbys.When you buy a house you don't buy everything within a 500 yard radius too.
It seems the nimbys want the sports developments to go in the park down the road, in the full knowledge that a group of nimbys will say NO no matter where the sports facilities are to be sited.The ball is most certainly in the council's court to help out this famous rugby club and to give our town's youngsters-and adults- the sports facilities they need.They've got one huge black mark against their name already!
GB, says...
11:50pm Fri 25 Jan 08
s and investment in the community will lead to more kids with nothing to do and lots of energy, always has and always will. Obesity is a growing problem and a timebomb for the NHS and future tax payers in years to come, it seems our council's answer to this is to relegate sports activities and investment in sports below the 'needs" (and I use the term as loosely as possible) of nimbys.When you buy a house you don't buy everything within a 500 yard radius too.
It seems the nimbys want the sports developments to go in the park down the road, in the full knowledge that a group of nimbys will say NO no matter where the sports facilities are to be sited.The ball is most certainly in the council's court to help out this famous rugby club and to give our town's youngsters-and adults- the sports facilities they need.They've got one huge black mark against their name already!
GB, says...
11:50pm Fri 25 Jan 08
s and investment in the community will lead to more kids with nothing to do and lots of energy, always has and always will. Obesity is a growing problem and a timebomb for the NHS and future tax payers in years to come, it seems our council's answer to this is to relegate sports activities and investment in sports below the 'needs" (and I use the term as loosely as possible) of nimbys.When you buy a house you don't buy everything within a 500 yard radius too.
It seems the nimbys want the sports developments to go in the park down the road, in the full knowledge that a group of nimbys will say NO no matter where the sports facilities are to be sited.The ball is most certainly in the council's court to help out this famous rugby club and to give our town's youngsters-and adults- the sports facilities they need.They've got one huge black mark against their name already!
robert rothwell, merseyside says...
6:09pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell, merseyside says...
6:09pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell, merseyside says...
6:09pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell, merseyside says...
6:09pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell, merseyside says...
6:09pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell, merseyside says...
6:09pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell, merseyside says...
6:09pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell, merseyside says...
6:09pm Sat 26 Jan 08
Recs Member, says...
11:21pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell wrote:As discussed on a previous story. Ruskin Leisure do not want Pilks Recs. They are happy for the two senior teams but do not want any juniors using the facilities.
Who kicked you out of your City Rd Grounds, Club & facilaties, Uncertainty has been hanging over Recs since Pilkington Ltd announced plans to sell off the land in 2004 and the rugby club's social base, the Windle City clubhouse, was shutdown by the company last year. LEAVE OUR PARK ALONE ! Try Ruskin Park before they sell that for redevelopment !!!
There is also a fundamental flaw in that Ruskin Leisure dooes not have enough space to accomodate the replacement facilities required under Sport England recommendations, and this was the deciding factor in looking for alternatives, not just for Pilks Recs, but also the bowling club that has also occupied City Road for years
Recs Member, says...
11:21pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell wrote:As discussed on a previous story. Ruskin Leisure do not want Pilks Recs. They are happy for the two senior teams but do not want any juniors using the facilities.
Who kicked you out of your City Rd Grounds, Club & facilaties, Uncertainty has been hanging over Recs since Pilkington Ltd announced plans to sell off the land in 2004 and the rugby club's social base, the Windle City clubhouse, was shutdown by the company last year. LEAVE OUR PARK ALONE ! Try Ruskin Park before they sell that for redevelopment !!!
There is also a fundamental flaw in that Ruskin Leisure dooes not have enough space to accomodate the replacement facilities required under Sport England recommendations, and this was the deciding factor in looking for alternatives, not just for Pilks Recs, but also the bowling club that has also occupied City Road for years
Recs Member, says...
11:21pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell wrote:As discussed on a previous story. Ruskin Leisure do not want Pilks Recs. They are happy for the two senior teams but do not want any juniors using the facilities.
Who kicked you out of your City Rd Grounds, Club & facilaties, Uncertainty has been hanging over Recs since Pilkington Ltd announced plans to sell off the land in 2004 and the rugby club's social base, the Windle City clubhouse, was shutdown by the company last year. LEAVE OUR PARK ALONE ! Try Ruskin Park before they sell that for redevelopment !!!
There is also a fundamental flaw in that Ruskin Leisure dooes not have enough space to accomodate the replacement facilities required under Sport England recommendations, and this was the deciding factor in looking for alternatives, not just for Pilks Recs, but also the bowling club that has also occupied City Road for years
Recs Member, says...
11:21pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell wrote:As discussed on a previous story. Ruskin Leisure do not want Pilks Recs. They are happy for the two senior teams but do not want any juniors using the facilities.
Who kicked you out of your City Rd Grounds, Club & facilaties, Uncertainty has been hanging over Recs since Pilkington Ltd announced plans to sell off the land in 2004 and the rugby club's social base, the Windle City clubhouse, was shutdown by the company last year. LEAVE OUR PARK ALONE ! Try Ruskin Park before they sell that for redevelopment !!!
There is also a fundamental flaw in that Ruskin Leisure dooes not have enough space to accomodate the replacement facilities required under Sport England recommendations, and this was the deciding factor in looking for alternatives, not just for Pilks Recs, but also the bowling club that has also occupied City Road for years
Recs Member, says...
11:21pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell wrote:As discussed on a previous story. Ruskin Leisure do not want Pilks Recs. They are happy for the two senior teams but do not want any juniors using the facilities.
Who kicked you out of your City Rd Grounds, Club & facilaties, Uncertainty has been hanging over Recs since Pilkington Ltd announced plans to sell off the land in 2004 and the rugby club's social base, the Windle City clubhouse, was shutdown by the company last year. LEAVE OUR PARK ALONE ! Try Ruskin Park before they sell that for redevelopment !!!
There is also a fundamental flaw in that Ruskin Leisure dooes not have enough space to accomodate the replacement facilities required under Sport England recommendations, and this was the deciding factor in looking for alternatives, not just for Pilks Recs, but also the bowling club that has also occupied City Road for years
Recs Member, says...
11:21pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell wrote:As discussed on a previous story. Ruskin Leisure do not want Pilks Recs. They are happy for the two senior teams but do not want any juniors using the facilities.
Who kicked you out of your City Rd Grounds, Club & facilaties, Uncertainty has been hanging over Recs since Pilkington Ltd announced plans to sell off the land in 2004 and the rugby club's social base, the Windle City clubhouse, was shutdown by the company last year. LEAVE OUR PARK ALONE ! Try Ruskin Park before they sell that for redevelopment !!!
There is also a fundamental flaw in that Ruskin Leisure dooes not have enough space to accomodate the replacement facilities required under Sport England recommendations, and this was the deciding factor in looking for alternatives, not just for Pilks Recs, but also the bowling club that has also occupied City Road for years
Recs Member, says...
11:21pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell wrote:As discussed on a previous story. Ruskin Leisure do not want Pilks Recs. They are happy for the two senior teams but do not want any juniors using the facilities.
Who kicked you out of your City Rd Grounds, Club & facilaties, Uncertainty has been hanging over Recs since Pilkington Ltd announced plans to sell off the land in 2004 and the rugby club's social base, the Windle City clubhouse, was shutdown by the company last year. LEAVE OUR PARK ALONE ! Try Ruskin Park before they sell that for redevelopment !!!
There is also a fundamental flaw in that Ruskin Leisure dooes not have enough space to accomodate the replacement facilities required under Sport England recommendations, and this was the deciding factor in looking for alternatives, not just for Pilks Recs, but also the bowling club that has also occupied City Road for years
Recs Member, says...
11:21pm Sat 26 Jan 08
robert rothwell wrote:As discussed on a previous story. Ruskin Leisure do not want Pilks Recs. They are happy for the two senior teams but do not want any juniors using the facilities.
Who kicked you out of your City Rd Grounds, Club & facilaties, Uncertainty has been hanging over Recs since Pilkington Ltd announced plans to sell off the land in 2004 and the rugby club's social base, the Windle City clubhouse, was shutdown by the company last year. LEAVE OUR PARK ALONE ! Try Ruskin Park before they sell that for redevelopment !!!
There is also a fundamental flaw in that Ruskin Leisure dooes not have enough space to accomodate the replacement facilities required under Sport England recommendations, and this was the deciding factor in looking for alternatives, not just for Pilks Recs, but also the bowling club that has also occupied City Road for years
Recs Member, says...
11:25pm Sat 26 Jan 08
I did see a team training on the park today,not sure who, but I hope they didn't interfere with the residents walks. Although they were they only people in the 'overused' park
Recs Member, says...
11:25pm Sat 26 Jan 08
I did see a team training on the park today,not sure who, but I hope they didn't interfere with the residents walks. Although they were they only people in the 'overused' park
Recs Member, says...
11:25pm Sat 26 Jan 08
I did see a team training on the park today,not sure who, but I hope they didn't interfere with the residents walks. Although they were they only people in the 'overused' park
Recs Member, says...
11:25pm Sat 26 Jan 08
I did see a team training on the park today,not sure who, but I hope they didn't interfere with the residents walks. Although they were they only people in the 'overused' park
Recs Member, says...
11:25pm Sat 26 Jan 08
I did see a team training on the park today,not sure who, but I hope they didn't interfere with the residents walks. Although they were they only people in the 'overused' park
Recs Member, says...
11:25pm Sat 26 Jan 08
I did see a team training on the park today,not sure who, but I hope they didn't interfere with the residents walks. Although they were they only people in the 'overused' park
Recs Member, says...
11:25pm Sat 26 Jan 08
I did see a team training on the park today,not sure who, but I hope they didn't interfere with the residents walks. Although they were they only people in the 'overused' park
Recs Member, says...
11:25pm Sat 26 Jan 08
I did see a team training on the park today,not sure who, but I hope they didn't interfere with the residents walks. Although they were they only people in the 'overused' park
CP, St Helens says...
12:36am Sun 27 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:36am Sun 27 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:36am Sun 27 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:36am Sun 27 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:36am Sun 27 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:36am Sun 27 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:36am Sun 27 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:36am Sun 27 Jan 08
mr harmon, Haydock says...
10:13am Sun 27 Jan 08
mr harmon, Haydock says...
10:13am Sun 27 Jan 08
mr harmon, Haydock says...
10:13am Sun 27 Jan 08
mr harmon, Haydock says...
10:13am Sun 27 Jan 08
mr harmon, Haydock says...
10:13am Sun 27 Jan 08
mr harmon, Haydock says...
10:13am Sun 27 Jan 08
mr harmon, Haydock says...
10:13am Sun 27 Jan 08
mr harmon, Haydock says...
10:13am Sun 27 Jan 08
Recs csupporter, Laffak says...
1:52pm Sun 27 Jan 08
On the subject of Victoria Park, I went by it this morning and it is hardly the 'green oasis' some people are trying to make out. There is a skatepark and another play area along with buildings used by Age Concern. And that's the purpose of parks, they are for recreation - not simply a pretty picture or a place for dogs to leave their muck.
Recs csupporter, Laffak says...
1:52pm Sun 27 Jan 08
On the subject of Victoria Park, I went by it this morning and it is hardly the 'green oasis' some people are trying to make out. There is a skatepark and another play area along with buildings used by Age Concern. And that's the purpose of parks, they are for recreation - not simply a pretty picture or a place for dogs to leave their muck.
Recs csupporter, Laffak says...
1:52pm Sun 27 Jan 08
On the subject of Victoria Park, I went by it this morning and it is hardly the 'green oasis' some people are trying to make out. There is a skatepark and another play area along with buildings used by Age Concern. And that's the purpose of parks, they are for recreation - not simply a pretty picture or a place for dogs to leave their muck.
Recs csupporter, Laffak says...
1:52pm Sun 27 Jan 08
On the subject of Victoria Park, I went by it this morning and it is hardly the 'green oasis' some people are trying to make out. There is a skatepark and another play area along with buildings used by Age Concern. And that's the purpose of parks, they are for recreation - not simply a pretty picture or a place for dogs to leave their muck.
Recs csupporter, Laffak says...
1:52pm Sun 27 Jan 08
On the subject of Victoria Park, I went by it this morning and it is hardly the 'green oasis' some people are trying to make out. There is a skatepark and another play area along with buildings used by Age Concern. And that's the purpose of parks, they are for recreation - not simply a pretty picture or a place for dogs to leave their muck.
Recs csupporter, Laffak says...
1:52pm Sun 27 Jan 08
On the subject of Victoria Park, I went by it this morning and it is hardly the 'green oasis' some people are trying to make out. There is a skatepark and another play area along with buildings used by Age Concern. And that's the purpose of parks, they are for recreation - not simply a pretty picture or a place for dogs to leave their muck.
Recs csupporter, Laffak says...
1:52pm Sun 27 Jan 08
On the subject of Victoria Park, I went by it this morning and it is hardly the 'green oasis' some people are trying to make out. There is a skatepark and another play area along with buildings used by Age Concern. And that's the purpose of parks, they are for recreation - not simply a pretty picture or a place for dogs to leave their muck.
Recs csupporter, Laffak says...
1:52pm Sun 27 Jan 08
On the subject of Victoria Park, I went by it this morning and it is hardly the 'green oasis' some people are trying to make out. There is a skatepark and another play area along with buildings used by Age Concern. And that's the purpose of parks, they are for recreation - not simply a pretty picture or a place for dogs to leave their muck.
Recs Member, says...
6:33pm Sun 27 Jan 08
CP wrote:Large organised games?
The bowling club have made it clear they do not want to relocate to viccy park.As for the training on saturday,and the kids who sometimes play a match on Sunday.Most locals seem ok with .It is the large organised games ,and all that would come with them, that seems to upset.
One of our teams plays on there every other Sunday, this is certainly not ad-hoc and is very organised. I am failing to see the difference between 10 year olds using it and adults using it. The purpose will still be the same irrelevant of age.
I wish somebody would point out what exactly does come with "large organised games" because as far as I know it brings community spirt and pride in their local sporting team.
As for Parr Stocks Road. This has only been for the past 18 months due to pitches we hired at LSH being unavailable due to their own expansion project. Whilst the Parr facilities are very good, it is not in the community that we have been in since 1908. At present we have only 1 team there which we are hoping can re-locate back to Windle next season
Recs Member, says...
6:33pm Sun 27 Jan 08
CP wrote:Large organised games?
The bowling club have made it clear they do not want to relocate to viccy park.As for the training on saturday,and the kids who sometimes play a match on Sunday.Most locals seem ok with .It is the large organised games ,and all that would come with them, that seems to upset.
One of our teams plays on there every other Sunday, this is certainly not ad-hoc and is very organised. I am failing to see the difference between 10 year olds using it and adults using it. The purpose will still be the same irrelevant of age.
I wish somebody would point out what exactly does come with "large organised games" because as far as I know it brings community spirt and pride in their local sporting team.
As for Parr Stocks Road. This has only been for the past 18 months due to pitches we hired at LSH being unavailable due to their own expansion project. Whilst the Parr facilities are very good, it is not in the community that we have been in since 1908. At present we have only 1 team there which we are hoping can re-locate back to Windle next season
Recs Member, says...
6:33pm Sun 27 Jan 08
CP wrote:Large organised games?
The bowling club have made it clear they do not want to relocate to viccy park.As for the training on saturday,and the kids who sometimes play a match on Sunday.Most locals seem ok with .It is the large organised games ,and all that would come with them, that seems to upset.
One of our teams plays on there every other Sunday, this is certainly not ad-hoc and is very organised. I am failing to see the difference between 10 year olds using it and adults using it. The purpose will still be the same irrelevant of age.
I wish somebody would point out what exactly does come with "large organised games" because as far as I know it brings community spirt and pride in their local sporting team.
As for Parr Stocks Road. This has only been for the past 18 months due to pitches we hired at LSH being unavailable due to their own expansion project. Whilst the Parr facilities are very good, it is not in the community that we have been in since 1908. At present we have only 1 team there which we are hoping can re-locate back to Windle next season
Recs Member, says...
6:33pm Sun 27 Jan 08
CP wrote:Large organised games?
The bowling club have made it clear they do not want to relocate to viccy park.As for the training on saturday,and the kids who sometimes play a match on Sunday.Most locals seem ok with .It is the large organised games ,and all that would come with them, that seems to upset.
One of our teams plays on there every other Sunday, this is certainly not ad-hoc and is very organised. I am failing to see the difference between 10 year olds using it and adults using it. The purpose will still be the same irrelevant of age.
I wish somebody would point out what exactly does come with "large organised games" because as far as I know it brings community spirt and pride in their local sporting team.
As for Parr Stocks Road. This has only been for the past 18 months due to pitches we hired at LSH being unavailable due to their own expansion project. Whilst the Parr facilities are very good, it is not in the community that we have been in since 1908. At present we have only 1 team there which we are hoping can re-locate back to Windle next season
Recs Member, says...
6:33pm Sun 27 Jan 08
CP wrote:Large organised games?
The bowling club have made it clear they do not want to relocate to viccy park.As for the training on saturday,and the kids who sometimes play a match on Sunday.Most locals seem ok with .It is the large organised games ,and all that would come with them, that seems to upset.
One of our teams plays on there every other Sunday, this is certainly not ad-hoc and is very organised. I am failing to see the difference between 10 year olds using it and adults using it. The purpose will still be the same irrelevant of age.
I wish somebody would point out what exactly does come with "large organised games" because as far as I know it brings community spirt and pride in their local sporting team.
As for Parr Stocks Road. This has only been for the past 18 months due to pitches we hired at LSH being unavailable due to their own expansion project. Whilst the Parr facilities are very good, it is not in the community that we have been in since 1908. At present we have only 1 team there which we are hoping can re-locate back to Windle next season
Recs Member, says...
6:33pm Sun 27 Jan 08
CP wrote:Large organised games?
The bowling club have made it clear they do not want to relocate to viccy park.As for the training on saturday,and the kids who sometimes play a match on Sunday.Most locals seem ok with .It is the large organised games ,and all that would come with them, that seems to upset.
One of our teams plays on there every other Sunday, this is certainly not ad-hoc and is very organised. I am failing to see the difference between 10 year olds using it and adults using it. The purpose will still be the same irrelevant of age.
I wish somebody would point out what exactly does come with "large organised games" because as far as I know it brings community spirt and pride in their local sporting team.
As for Parr Stocks Road. This has only been for the past 18 months due to pitches we hired at LSH being unavailable due to their own expansion project. Whilst the Parr facilities are very good, it is not in the community that we have been in since 1908. At present we have only 1 team there which we are hoping can re-locate back to Windle next season
Recs Member, says...
6:33pm Sun 27 Jan 08
CP wrote:Large organised games?
The bowling club have made it clear they do not want to relocate to viccy park.As for the training on saturday,and the kids who sometimes play a match on Sunday.Most locals seem ok with .It is the large organised games ,and all that would come with them, that seems to upset.
One of our teams plays on there every other Sunday, this is certainly not ad-hoc and is very organised. I am failing to see the difference between 10 year olds using it and adults using it. The purpose will still be the same irrelevant of age.
I wish somebody would point out what exactly does come with "large organised games" because as far as I know it brings community spirt and pride in their local sporting team.
As for Parr Stocks Road. This has only been for the past 18 months due to pitches we hired at LSH being unavailable due to their own expansion project. Whilst the Parr facilities are very good, it is not in the community that we have been in since 1908. At present we have only 1 team there which we are hoping can re-locate back to Windle next season
Recs Member, says...
6:33pm Sun 27 Jan 08
CP wrote:Large organised games?
The bowling club have made it clear they do not want to relocate to viccy park.As for the training on saturday,and the kids who sometimes play a match on Sunday.Most locals seem ok with .It is the large organised games ,and all that would come with them, that seems to upset.
One of our teams plays on there every other Sunday, this is certainly not ad-hoc and is very organised. I am failing to see the difference between 10 year olds using it and adults using it. The purpose will still be the same irrelevant of age.
I wish somebody would point out what exactly does come with "large organised games" because as far as I know it brings community spirt and pride in their local sporting team.
As for Parr Stocks Road. This has only been for the past 18 months due to pitches we hired at LSH being unavailable due to their own expansion project. Whilst the Parr facilities are very good, it is not in the community that we have been in since 1908. At present we have only 1 team there which we are hoping can re-locate back to Windle next season
Alf, says...
8:12pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Alf, says...
8:12pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Alf, says...
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Alf, says...
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Alf, says...
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Alf, says...
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Alf, says...
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Alf, says...
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RR, St helens says...
7:36pm Mon 28 Jan 08
RR, St helens says...
7:36pm Mon 28 Jan 08
RR, St helens says...
7:36pm Mon 28 Jan 08
RR, St helens says...
7:36pm Mon 28 Jan 08
RR, St helens says...
7:36pm Mon 28 Jan 08
RR, St helens says...
7:36pm Mon 28 Jan 08
RR, St helens says...
7:36pm Mon 28 Jan 08
RR, St helens says...
7:36pm Mon 28 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:25am Tue 29 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:25am Tue 29 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:25am Tue 29 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:25am Tue 29 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:25am Tue 29 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:25am Tue 29 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:25am Tue 29 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
12:25am Tue 29 Jan 08
RR, St Helens says...
6:43am Tue 29 Jan 08
-Potential for accidents with young children crossing the busy A580 to get there.- Police also concerned with potential for accidents
-LSH wanted to retain the full control of the whole site and dictate what fixtures were played etc. Pilks commitee felt that this was not a good base for a partnership
-It turns out that that land is not now available for development anyway
-LSH were embarking on developing their junior sides and the whole site would be too congested
-It seemed that the compensatory provisions were being ploughed more into LSH than into developing a top facility for the whole community.
hope these answer your question
RR, St Helens says...
6:43am Tue 29 Jan 08
-Potential for accidents with young children crossing the busy A580 to get there.- Police also concerned with potential for accidents
-LSH wanted to retain the full control of the whole site and dictate what fixtures were played etc. Pilks commitee felt that this was not a good base for a partnership
-It turns out that that land is not now available for development anyway
-LSH were embarking on developing their junior sides and the whole site would be too congested
-It seemed that the compensatory provisions were being ploughed more into LSH than into developing a top facility for the whole community.
hope these answer your question
RR, St Helens says...
6:43am Tue 29 Jan 08
-Potential for accidents with young children crossing the busy A580 to get there.- Police also concerned with potential for accidents
-LSH wanted to retain the full control of the whole site and dictate what fixtures were played etc. Pilks commitee felt that this was not a good base for a partnership
-It turns out that that land is not now available for development anyway
-LSH were embarking on developing their junior sides and the whole site would be too congested
-It seemed that the compensatory provisions were being ploughed more into LSH than into developing a top facility for the whole community.
hope these answer your question
RR, St Helens says...
6:43am Tue 29 Jan 08
-Potential for accidents with young children crossing the busy A580 to get there.- Police also concerned with potential for accidents
-LSH wanted to retain the full control of the whole site and dictate what fixtures were played etc. Pilks commitee felt that this was not a good base for a partnership
-It turns out that that land is not now available for development anyway
-LSH were embarking on developing their junior sides and the whole site would be too congested
-It seemed that the compensatory provisions were being ploughed more into LSH than into developing a top facility for the whole community.
hope these answer your question
RR, St Helens says...
6:43am Tue 29 Jan 08
-Potential for accidents with young children crossing the busy A580 to get there.- Police also concerned with potential for accidents
-LSH wanted to retain the full control of the whole site and dictate what fixtures were played etc. Pilks commitee felt that this was not a good base for a partnership
-It turns out that that land is not now available for development anyway
-LSH were embarking on developing their junior sides and the whole site would be too congested
-It seemed that the compensatory provisions were being ploughed more into LSH than into developing a top facility for the whole community.
hope these answer your question
RR, St Helens says...
6:43am Tue 29 Jan 08
-Potential for accidents with young children crossing the busy A580 to get there.- Police also concerned with potential for accidents
-LSH wanted to retain the full control of the whole site and dictate what fixtures were played etc. Pilks commitee felt that this was not a good base for a partnership
-It turns out that that land is not now available for development anyway
-LSH were embarking on developing their junior sides and the whole site would be too congested
-It seemed that the compensatory provisions were being ploughed more into LSH than into developing a top facility for the whole community.
hope these answer your question
RR, St Helens says...
6:43am Tue 29 Jan 08
-Potential for accidents with young children crossing the busy A580 to get there.- Police also concerned with potential for accidents
-LSH wanted to retain the full control of the whole site and dictate what fixtures were played etc. Pilks commitee felt that this was not a good base for a partnership
-It turns out that that land is not now available for development anyway
-LSH were embarking on developing their junior sides and the whole site would be too congested
-It seemed that the compensatory provisions were being ploughed more into LSH than into developing a top facility for the whole community.
hope these answer your question
RR, St Helens says...
6:43am Tue 29 Jan 08
-Potential for accidents with young children crossing the busy A580 to get there.- Police also concerned with potential for accidents
-LSH wanted to retain the full control of the whole site and dictate what fixtures were played etc. Pilks commitee felt that this was not a good base for a partnership
-It turns out that that land is not now available for development anyway
-LSH were embarking on developing their junior sides and the whole site would be too congested
-It seemed that the compensatory provisions were being ploughed more into LSH than into developing a top facility for the whole community.
hope these answer your question
Phil D, Canada says...
3:03pm Tue 29 Jan 08
This is at least twice that I have seen derogertory remarks about St Helens from Chris (warrington). Question When was the last time Warrington sheep sorry wolves won ANY silverware,Enjoy your new ground for what it is worth, I rest my case.
Phil D, Canada says...
3:03pm Tue 29 Jan 08
This is at least twice that I have seen derogertory remarks about St Helens from Chris (warrington). Question When was the last time Warrington sheep sorry wolves won ANY silverware,Enjoy your new ground for what it is worth, I rest my case.
Phil D, Canada says...
3:03pm Tue 29 Jan 08
This is at least twice that I have seen derogertory remarks about St Helens from Chris (warrington). Question When was the last time Warrington sheep sorry wolves won ANY silverware,Enjoy your new ground for what it is worth, I rest my case.
Phil D, Canada says...
3:03pm Tue 29 Jan 08
This is at least twice that I have seen derogertory remarks about St Helens from Chris (warrington). Question When was the last time Warrington sheep sorry wolves won ANY silverware,Enjoy your new ground for what it is worth, I rest my case.
Phil D, Canada says...
3:03pm Tue 29 Jan 08
This is at least twice that I have seen derogertory remarks about St Helens from Chris (warrington). Question When was the last time Warrington sheep sorry wolves won ANY silverware,Enjoy your new ground for what it is worth, I rest my case.
Phil D, Canada says...
3:03pm Tue 29 Jan 08
This is at least twice that I have seen derogertory remarks about St Helens from Chris (warrington). Question When was the last time Warrington sheep sorry wolves won ANY silverware,Enjoy your new ground for what it is worth, I rest my case.
Phil D, Canada says...
3:03pm Tue 29 Jan 08
This is at least twice that I have seen derogertory remarks about St Helens from Chris (warrington). Question When was the last time Warrington sheep sorry wolves won ANY silverware,Enjoy your new ground for what it is worth, I rest my case.
Phil D, Canada says...
3:03pm Tue 29 Jan 08
This is at least twice that I have seen derogertory remarks about St Helens from Chris (warrington). Question When was the last time Warrington sheep sorry wolves won ANY silverware,Enjoy your new ground for what it is worth, I rest my case.
Big Doug, says...
7:23pm Tue 29 Jan 08
Big Doug, says...
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Big Doug, says...
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RP, St Helens says...
6:14am Wed 30 Jan 08
RP, St Helens says...
6:14am Wed 30 Jan 08
RP, St Helens says...
6:14am Wed 30 Jan 08
RP, St Helens says...
6:14am Wed 30 Jan 08
RP, St Helens says...
6:14am Wed 30 Jan 08
RP, St Helens says...
6:14am Wed 30 Jan 08
RP, St Helens says...
6:14am Wed 30 Jan 08
RP, St Helens says...
6:14am Wed 30 Jan 08
Recs Member, says...
8:57am Wed 30 Jan 08
CP wrote:As RR states above.
Why did pilks recs turn down the original planning application,moving to new pitches at Moss lane.
There was also the very strong feelings that we had regards the community and not willing to abandon them as soon as gold coins are offered.
Ironically, even if we had decided to support the Moss Lane development, the land owner refused to sell. So it was all a pipe dream - again thought up by councillors and something we were somewhat bullied in to initially.
The feeling of wanting to provide the Windle community a sports club to be proud of is, unfortunately, dwindling and we now feel unwanted by the residents.
Pilks Recs are to meet this week and plan our next steps.
Lets hope that the Windle residents that wish to keep us local - and we know there are many - will get behind us and support our plight when we ask of it.
Recs Member, says...
8:57am Wed 30 Jan 08
CP wrote:As RR states above.
Why did pilks recs turn down the original planning application,moving to new pitches at Moss lane.
There was also the very strong feelings that we had regards the community and not willing to abandon them as soon as gold coins are offered.
Ironically, even if we had decided to support the Moss Lane development, the land owner refused to sell. So it was all a pipe dream - again thought up by councillors and something we were somewhat bullied in to initially.
The feeling of wanting to provide the Windle community a sports club to be proud of is, unfortunately, dwindling and we now feel unwanted by the residents.
Pilks Recs are to meet this week and plan our next steps.
Lets hope that the Windle residents that wish to keep us local - and we know there are many - will get behind us and support our plight when we ask of it.
Recs Member, says...
8:57am Wed 30 Jan 08
CP wrote:As RR states above.
Why did pilks recs turn down the original planning application,moving to new pitches at Moss lane.
There was also the very strong feelings that we had regards the community and not willing to abandon them as soon as gold coins are offered.
Ironically, even if we had decided to support the Moss Lane development, the land owner refused to sell. So it was all a pipe dream - again thought up by councillors and something we were somewhat bullied in to initially.
The feeling of wanting to provide the Windle community a sports club to be proud of is, unfortunately, dwindling and we now feel unwanted by the residents.
Pilks Recs are to meet this week and plan our next steps.
Lets hope that the Windle residents that wish to keep us local - and we know there are many - will get behind us and support our plight when we ask of it.
Recs Member, says...
8:57am Wed 30 Jan 08
CP wrote:As RR states above.
Why did pilks recs turn down the original planning application,moving to new pitches at Moss lane.
There was also the very strong feelings that we had regards the community and not willing to abandon them as soon as gold coins are offered.
Ironically, even if we had decided to support the Moss Lane development, the land owner refused to sell. So it was all a pipe dream - again thought up by councillors and something we were somewhat bullied in to initially.
The feeling of wanting to provide the Windle community a sports club to be proud of is, unfortunately, dwindling and we now feel unwanted by the residents.
Pilks Recs are to meet this week and plan our next steps.
Lets hope that the Windle residents that wish to keep us local - and we know there are many - will get behind us and support our plight when we ask of it.
Recs Member, says...
8:57am Wed 30 Jan 08
CP wrote:As RR states above.
Why did pilks recs turn down the original planning application,moving to new pitches at Moss lane.
There was also the very strong feelings that we had regards the community and not willing to abandon them as soon as gold coins are offered.
Ironically, even if we had decided to support the Moss Lane development, the land owner refused to sell. So it was all a pipe dream - again thought up by councillors and something we were somewhat bullied in to initially.
The feeling of wanting to provide the Windle community a sports club to be proud of is, unfortunately, dwindling and we now feel unwanted by the residents.
Pilks Recs are to meet this week and plan our next steps.
Lets hope that the Windle residents that wish to keep us local - and we know there are many - will get behind us and support our plight when we ask of it.
Recs Member, says...
8:57am Wed 30 Jan 08
CP wrote:As RR states above.
Why did pilks recs turn down the original planning application,moving to new pitches at Moss lane.
There was also the very strong feelings that we had regards the community and not willing to abandon them as soon as gold coins are offered.
Ironically, even if we had decided to support the Moss Lane development, the land owner refused to sell. So it was all a pipe dream - again thought up by councillors and something we were somewhat bullied in to initially.
The feeling of wanting to provide the Windle community a sports club to be proud of is, unfortunately, dwindling and we now feel unwanted by the residents.
Pilks Recs are to meet this week and plan our next steps.
Lets hope that the Windle residents that wish to keep us local - and we know there are many - will get behind us and support our plight when we ask of it.
Recs Member, says...
8:57am Wed 30 Jan 08
CP wrote:As RR states above.
Why did pilks recs turn down the original planning application,moving to new pitches at Moss lane.
There was also the very strong feelings that we had regards the community and not willing to abandon them as soon as gold coins are offered.
Ironically, even if we had decided to support the Moss Lane development, the land owner refused to sell. So it was all a pipe dream - again thought up by councillors and something we were somewhat bullied in to initially.
The feeling of wanting to provide the Windle community a sports club to be proud of is, unfortunately, dwindling and we now feel unwanted by the residents.
Pilks Recs are to meet this week and plan our next steps.
Lets hope that the Windle residents that wish to keep us local - and we know there are many - will get behind us and support our plight when we ask of it.
Recs Member, says...
8:57am Wed 30 Jan 08
CP wrote:As RR states above.
Why did pilks recs turn down the original planning application,moving to new pitches at Moss lane.
There was also the very strong feelings that we had regards the community and not willing to abandon them as soon as gold coins are offered.
Ironically, even if we had decided to support the Moss Lane development, the land owner refused to sell. So it was all a pipe dream - again thought up by councillors and something we were somewhat bullied in to initially.
The feeling of wanting to provide the Windle community a sports club to be proud of is, unfortunately, dwindling and we now feel unwanted by the residents.
Pilks Recs are to meet this week and plan our next steps.
Lets hope that the Windle residents that wish to keep us local - and we know there are many - will get behind us and support our plight when we ask of it.
Mark Pendlebury, Windlehurst says...
12:15pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I would like to end and as what the ward councellers are doing to help this plight as far as i am aware one in the windle area is a has responsibilty for sporting matters this is a time when they may just do a bit of good for the area. The area of windle has improved over the past few years but if you keep taking and not give back it will deteriorate and Die ! side note the potiton that was handed in as a resident in the victoria park area i did not see or was canversed for an opininon as were othere not asked as well , Freedom of speech but for the select few i see !
Mark Pendlebury, Windlehurst says...
12:15pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I would like to end and as what the ward councellers are doing to help this plight as far as i am aware one in the windle area is a has responsibilty for sporting matters this is a time when they may just do a bit of good for the area. The area of windle has improved over the past few years but if you keep taking and not give back it will deteriorate and Die ! side note the potiton that was handed in as a resident in the victoria park area i did not see or was canversed for an opininon as were othere not asked as well , Freedom of speech but for the select few i see !
Mark Pendlebury, Windlehurst says...
12:15pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I would like to end and as what the ward councellers are doing to help this plight as far as i am aware one in the windle area is a has responsibilty for sporting matters this is a time when they may just do a bit of good for the area. The area of windle has improved over the past few years but if you keep taking and not give back it will deteriorate and Die ! side note the potiton that was handed in as a resident in the victoria park area i did not see or was canversed for an opininon as were othere not asked as well , Freedom of speech but for the select few i see !
Mark Pendlebury, Windlehurst says...
12:15pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I would like to end and as what the ward councellers are doing to help this plight as far as i am aware one in the windle area is a has responsibilty for sporting matters this is a time when they may just do a bit of good for the area. The area of windle has improved over the past few years but if you keep taking and not give back it will deteriorate and Die ! side note the potiton that was handed in as a resident in the victoria park area i did not see or was canversed for an opininon as were othere not asked as well , Freedom of speech but for the select few i see !
Mark Pendlebury, Windlehurst says...
12:15pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I would like to end and as what the ward councellers are doing to help this plight as far as i am aware one in the windle area is a has responsibilty for sporting matters this is a time when they may just do a bit of good for the area. The area of windle has improved over the past few years but if you keep taking and not give back it will deteriorate and Die ! side note the potiton that was handed in as a resident in the victoria park area i did not see or was canversed for an opininon as were othere not asked as well , Freedom of speech but for the select few i see !
Mark Pendlebury, Windlehurst says...
12:15pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I would like to end and as what the ward councellers are doing to help this plight as far as i am aware one in the windle area is a has responsibilty for sporting matters this is a time when they may just do a bit of good for the area. The area of windle has improved over the past few years but if you keep taking and not give back it will deteriorate and Die ! side note the potiton that was handed in as a resident in the victoria park area i did not see or was canversed for an opininon as were othere not asked as well , Freedom of speech but for the select few i see !
Mark Pendlebury, Windlehurst says...
12:15pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I would like to end and as what the ward councellers are doing to help this plight as far as i am aware one in the windle area is a has responsibilty for sporting matters this is a time when they may just do a bit of good for the area. The area of windle has improved over the past few years but if you keep taking and not give back it will deteriorate and Die ! side note the potiton that was handed in as a resident in the victoria park area i did not see or was canversed for an opininon as were othere not asked as well , Freedom of speech but for the select few i see !
Mark Pendlebury, Windlehurst says...
12:15pm Thu 31 Jan 08
I would like to end and as what the ward councellers are doing to help this plight as far as i am aware one in the windle area is a has responsibilty for sporting matters this is a time when they may just do a bit of good for the area. The area of windle has improved over the past few years but if you keep taking and not give back it will deteriorate and Die ! side note the potiton that was handed in as a resident in the victoria park area i did not see or was canversed for an opininon as were othere not asked as well , Freedom of speech but for the select few i see !
DS, Blackbrook says...
6:50pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS, Blackbrook says...
6:50pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS, Blackbrook says...
6:50pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS, Blackbrook says...
6:50pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS, Blackbrook says...
6:50pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS, Blackbrook says...
6:50pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS, Blackbrook says...
6:50pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS, Blackbrook says...
6:50pm Thu 31 Jan 08
CP, St Helens says...
9:06pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS wrote:While your at it write to pilkington group Ltd, regarding their lack of commitment to local sporting clubs and local residents.
If we agree that kids have to go somewhere and have something to do, but refuse to use our local parks to their full potential, then what alternative do these objectors and the council have for investing in sports? Of course kids are going to hang around the streets getting bored and into mischief with so few sports facilities and youth clubs available in st helens.A club like Pilk Recs is INVALUABLE to our local community, sporting facilities are equally important in providing our youth with somewhere to go for positive actvities.This council think otherwise,I for one will be writing to our esteemed town hall leaders when they next trumpet what a great council we have!!!!
CP, St Helens says...
9:06pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS wrote:While your at it write to pilkington group Ltd, regarding their lack of commitment to local sporting clubs and local residents.
If we agree that kids have to go somewhere and have something to do, but refuse to use our local parks to their full potential, then what alternative do these objectors and the council have for investing in sports? Of course kids are going to hang around the streets getting bored and into mischief with so few sports facilities and youth clubs available in st helens.A club like Pilk Recs is INVALUABLE to our local community, sporting facilities are equally important in providing our youth with somewhere to go for positive actvities.This council think otherwise,I for one will be writing to our esteemed town hall leaders when they next trumpet what a great council we have!!!!
CP, St Helens says...
9:06pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS wrote:While your at it write to pilkington group Ltd, regarding their lack of commitment to local sporting clubs and local residents.
If we agree that kids have to go somewhere and have something to do, but refuse to use our local parks to their full potential, then what alternative do these objectors and the council have for investing in sports? Of course kids are going to hang around the streets getting bored and into mischief with so few sports facilities and youth clubs available in st helens.A club like Pilk Recs is INVALUABLE to our local community, sporting facilities are equally important in providing our youth with somewhere to go for positive actvities.This council think otherwise,I for one will be writing to our esteemed town hall leaders when they next trumpet what a great council we have!!!!
CP, St Helens says...
9:06pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS wrote:While your at it write to pilkington group Ltd, regarding their lack of commitment to local sporting clubs and local residents.
If we agree that kids have to go somewhere and have something to do, but refuse to use our local parks to their full potential, then what alternative do these objectors and the council have for investing in sports? Of course kids are going to hang around the streets getting bored and into mischief with so few sports facilities and youth clubs available in st helens.A club like Pilk Recs is INVALUABLE to our local community, sporting facilities are equally important in providing our youth with somewhere to go for positive actvities.This council think otherwise,I for one will be writing to our esteemed town hall leaders when they next trumpet what a great council we have!!!!
CP, St Helens says...
9:06pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS wrote:While your at it write to pilkington group Ltd, regarding their lack of commitment to local sporting clubs and local residents.
If we agree that kids have to go somewhere and have something to do, but refuse to use our local parks to their full potential, then what alternative do these objectors and the council have for investing in sports? Of course kids are going to hang around the streets getting bored and into mischief with so few sports facilities and youth clubs available in st helens.A club like Pilk Recs is INVALUABLE to our local community, sporting facilities are equally important in providing our youth with somewhere to go for positive actvities.This council think otherwise,I for one will be writing to our esteemed town hall leaders when they next trumpet what a great council we have!!!!
CP, St Helens says...
9:06pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS wrote:While your at it write to pilkington group Ltd, regarding their lack of commitment to local sporting clubs and local residents.
If we agree that kids have to go somewhere and have something to do, but refuse to use our local parks to their full potential, then what alternative do these objectors and the council have for investing in sports? Of course kids are going to hang around the streets getting bored and into mischief with so few sports facilities and youth clubs available in st helens.A club like Pilk Recs is INVALUABLE to our local community, sporting facilities are equally important in providing our youth with somewhere to go for positive actvities.This council think otherwise,I for one will be writing to our esteemed town hall leaders when they next trumpet what a great council we have!!!!
CP, St Helens says...
9:06pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS wrote:While your at it write to pilkington group Ltd, regarding their lack of commitment to local sporting clubs and local residents.
If we agree that kids have to go somewhere and have something to do, but refuse to use our local parks to their full potential, then what alternative do these objectors and the council have for investing in sports? Of course kids are going to hang around the streets getting bored and into mischief with so few sports facilities and youth clubs available in st helens.A club like Pilk Recs is INVALUABLE to our local community, sporting facilities are equally important in providing our youth with somewhere to go for positive actvities.This council think otherwise,I for one will be writing to our esteemed town hall leaders when they next trumpet what a great council we have!!!!
CP, St Helens says...
9:06pm Thu 31 Jan 08
DS wrote:While your at it write to pilkington group Ltd, regarding their lack of commitment to local sporting clubs and local residents.
If we agree that kids have to go somewhere and have something to do, but refuse to use our local parks to their full potential, then what alternative do these objectors and the council have for investing in sports? Of course kids are going to hang around the streets getting bored and into mischief with so few sports facilities and youth clubs available in st helens.A club like Pilk Recs is INVALUABLE to our local community, sporting facilities are equally important in providing our youth with somewhere to go for positive actvities.This council think otherwise,I for one will be writing to our esteemed town hall leaders when they next trumpet what a great council we have!!!!
DS, Blackbrook says...
9:40pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Why? Pilks are not democratic representatives of ALL the people of this borough and charged with the responsibilty to ensure this town has adequate sports facilities for the present population and future generations. The council are, and like to boast what a great council they are on that expensive piece of nonsense they shove through my door several times a year.But when push comes to shove, the action is rather less impressive than the self congratulatory words.If we voted for the Pilks board they'd be getting a letter, more than one I hope, too.
DS, Blackbrook says...
9:40pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Why? Pilks are not democratic representatives of ALL the people of this borough and charged with the responsibilty to ensure this town has adequate sports facilities for the present population and future generations. The council are, and like to boast what a great council they are on that expensive piece of nonsense they shove through my door several times a year.But when push comes to shove, the action is rather less impressive than the self congratulatory words.If we voted for the Pilks board they'd be getting a letter, more than one I hope, too.
DS, Blackbrook says...
9:40pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Why? Pilks are not democratic representatives of ALL the people of this borough and charged with the responsibilty to ensure this town has adequate sports facilities for the present population and future generations. The council are, and like to boast what a great council they are on that expensive piece of nonsense they shove through my door several times a year.But when push comes to shove, the action is rather less impressive than the self congratulatory words.If we voted for the Pilks board they'd be getting a letter, more than one I hope, too.
DS, Blackbrook says...
9:40pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Why? Pilks are not democratic representatives of ALL the people of this borough and charged with the responsibilty to ensure this town has adequate sports facilities for the present population and future generations. The council are, and like to boast what a great council they are on that expensive piece of nonsense they shove through my door several times a year.But when push comes to shove, the action is rather less impressive than the self congratulatory words.If we voted for the Pilks board they'd be getting a letter, more than one I hope, too.
DS, Blackbrook says...
9:40pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Why? Pilks are not democratic representatives of ALL the people of this borough and charged with the responsibilty to ensure this town has adequate sports facilities for the present population and future generations. The council are, and like to boast what a great council they are on that expensive piece of nonsense they shove through my door several times a year.But when push comes to shove, the action is rather less impressive than the self congratulatory words.If we voted for the Pilks board they'd be getting a letter, more than one I hope, too.
DS, Blackbrook says...
9:40pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Why? Pilks are not democratic representatives of ALL the people of this borough and charged with the responsibilty to ensure this town has adequate sports facilities for the present population and future generations. The council are, and like to boast what a great council they are on that expensive piece of nonsense they shove through my door several times a year.But when push comes to shove, the action is rather less impressive than the self congratulatory words.If we voted for the Pilks board they'd be getting a letter, more than one I hope, too.
DS, Blackbrook says...
9:40pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Why? Pilks are not democratic representatives of ALL the people of this borough and charged with the responsibilty to ensure this town has adequate sports facilities for the present population and future generations. The council are, and like to boast what a great council they are on that expensive piece of nonsense they shove through my door several times a year.But when push comes to shove, the action is rather less impressive than the self congratulatory words.If we voted for the Pilks board they'd be getting a letter, more than one I hope, too.
DS, Blackbrook says...
9:40pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Why? Pilks are not democratic representatives of ALL the people of this borough and charged with the responsibilty to ensure this town has adequate sports facilities for the present population and future generations. The council are, and like to boast what a great council they are on that expensive piece of nonsense they shove through my door several times a year.But when push comes to shove, the action is rather less impressive than the self congratulatory words.If we voted for the Pilks board they'd be getting a letter, more than one I hope, too.
Bid doug, says...
10:17pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Bid doug, says...
10:17pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Bid doug, says...
10:17pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Bid doug, says...
10:17pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Bid doug, says...
10:17pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Bid doug, says...
10:17pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Bid doug, says...
10:17pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Bid doug, says...
10:17pm Thu 31 Jan 08
Chris, says...
7:48pm Fri 1 Feb 08
However,Pilkington holdings desire to just migrate the club to the park without these additional public facilities was an oversight. In the proposal, public open space would of been lost with no compensation for the rest the park users. The Net gain of this proposal was that Pilks Recs would get a new ground, good news!.However, the Net Loss? - The public lose more recreational area with nothing to compensate it.
I suggest Pilkington Holdings rethink their strategy. After all, it is their desire to generate millions of pounds from land redevelopment that has caused this situation, not the rugby club, nor the local residents.
Secondly, how much land does Pilks own locally that they could look at?.
Bishop road is probably the next best solution (council owned), providing Pilkington Holdings give something extra to its development and back to the public and taxpayer as well as the rugby club.(if it gets approved!)
Chris, says...
7:48pm Fri 1 Feb 08
However,Pilkington holdings desire to just migrate the club to the park without these additional public facilities was an oversight. In the proposal, public open space would of been lost with no compensation for the rest the park users. The Net gain of this proposal was that Pilks Recs would get a new ground, good news!.However, the Net Loss? - The public lose more recreational area with nothing to compensate it.
I suggest Pilkington Holdings rethink their strategy. After all, it is their desire to generate millions of pounds from land redevelopment that has caused this situation, not the rugby club, nor the local residents.
Secondly, how much land does Pilks own locally that they could look at?.
Bishop road is probably the next best solution (council owned), providing Pilkington Holdings give something extra to its development and back to the public and taxpayer as well as the rugby club.(if it gets approved!)
josie sloan, victoria park says...
12:57pm Fri 25 Jan 08