Bid to boost retail with free car parking

Bid to boost retail with free car parking

Bid to boost retail with free car parking

First published in News

THE council is looking to introduce free parking on Saturdays in a bid to boost retail in the town centre.

Council leader Barrie Grunewald will put the proposals before cabinet on Wednesday, July 30 and if approved free parking will be introduced for car parks and on the roads in the town in August for a 12 month trial period.

He said: “I am committed to supporting the retail sector in St Helens and to help to bring more shoppers and visitors to the town centre. We need to do everything we can to help retailers combat the increased competition from internet shopping.

“This council has invested in maintaining a quality town centre environment and we want people to shop and visit the town centre at all times but in particular on Saturdays.”

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11:40am Wed 23 Jul 14

mikeashworth says...

"free parking" its the knee jerk response from many, when their appear to be no other options on the table. the association of town centre management suggest that this approach will not work as it rewards the wrong behaviour. what should be implemented is a scheme which links spend in town centre to rebate of car park charges.

car parks will be full of people, whose primary goal is not to visit the centre and spend.

once you go free, where do you go from there, cant go any cheaper, only upwards at somne point in the future, and guess what, that will make ppl unhappy. better to keep the charge high, then rebate, and as things improve you can then modify the rebate instead.

one thing about the rebate method is that many people wont bother claiming it, which means the scheme costs less to run as well.

“This council has invested in maintaining a quality town centre environment" did he really say that? recently i noted that a litter bin in a prime location in town had been removed and due to this litter was now increasing, this is over a month ago. i filed a report with council, i advised barrie grunewald personally, and yet still nothing happens. and i recall that litter was a priority in the elections as well.
"free parking" its the knee jerk response from many, when their appear to be no other options on the table. the association of town centre management suggest that this approach will not work as it rewards the wrong behaviour. what should be implemented is a scheme which links spend in town centre to rebate of car park charges. car parks will be full of people, whose primary goal is not to visit the centre and spend. once you go free, where do you go from there, cant go any cheaper, only upwards at somne point in the future, and guess what, that will make ppl unhappy. better to keep the charge high, then rebate, and as things improve you can then modify the rebate instead. one thing about the rebate method is that many people wont bother claiming it, which means the scheme costs less to run as well. “This council has invested in maintaining a quality town centre environment" did he really say that? recently i noted that a litter bin in a prime location in town had been removed and due to this litter was now increasing, this is over a month ago. i filed a report with council, i advised barrie grunewald personally, and yet still nothing happens. and i recall that litter was a priority in the elections as well. mikeashworth
  • Score: 6

12:08pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Hollies Mummy says...

Spend in town ???? No shops worth going into town for dohh
Spend in town ???? No shops worth going into town for dohh Hollies Mummy
  • Score: 16

12:35pm Wed 23 Jul 14

SallyW1966 says...

We have just got another bargain shop !!!!
We have just got another bargain shop !!!! SallyW1966
  • Score: 10

12:38pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Hughwithaview says...

"This Council has invested in a quality town centre environment"

Barrie Grunewald cannot have said this with a straight face surely?

Which town centre is he talking about because it certainly is not the one in St Helens. The very reason we are in such a dire situation with retail is the very fact that this Council led by him and Marie Rimmer before him have systematically stood by and let the town sink further into the mire.

Their complacency has resulted in a town centre that very few people want to visit and free parking is not the answer or even part of the answer. It's just another move that smacks of desperation.

Before anyone starts going on about the changing face of retail, we all know the impact the internet has had and how shopping has changed with out of town retail parks etc.. However in St Helens this cannot be just another excuse in a whole plethora of excuses used by this Council to paper over the cracks.

The main problem here is the apparent lack of vision, business acumen and being able to judge what the consumer actually wants from a town centre. Other towns have risen from the ashes and created vibrant areas that attract customers and boost business income - why is it so hard to achieve here?

Of course as long as we have a Council Leader who believes the answer lies in free car parking on a Saturday and paying for the services of a former old pal town centre manager to sort it all out, we may as well erect new signs on the boundaries into St Helens "Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here"
"This Council has invested in a quality town centre environment" Barrie Grunewald cannot have said this with a straight face surely? Which town centre is he talking about because it certainly is not the one in St Helens. The very reason we are in such a dire situation with retail is the very fact that this Council led by him and Marie Rimmer before him have systematically stood by and let the town sink further into the mire. Their complacency has resulted in a town centre that very few people want to visit and free parking is not the answer or even part of the answer. It's just another move that smacks of desperation. Before anyone starts going on about the changing face of retail, we all know the impact the internet has had and how shopping has changed with out of town retail parks etc.. However in St Helens this cannot be just another excuse in a whole plethora of excuses used by this Council to paper over the cracks. The main problem here is the apparent lack of vision, business acumen and being able to judge what the consumer actually wants from a town centre. Other towns have risen from the ashes and created vibrant areas that attract customers and boost business income - why is it so hard to achieve here? Of course as long as we have a Council Leader who believes the answer lies in free car parking on a Saturday and paying for the services of a former old pal town centre manager to sort it all out, we may as well erect new signs on the boundaries into St Helens "Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here" Hughwithaview
  • Score: 9

1:19pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Sankey says...

Grunewald is every bit the modern politician soundbites initiatives but no vision no judgement and no common sense. He jumps from one announcement to another knowing they are next weeks chip paper but it keeps the image of someone doing something. As others have said no one of sane mind can believe St. Helens is a quality town centre. Apart from the lack of shops the basics are wrong the main shopping centre is full of litter and many places where there are patches of dried vomit. This also might not sound nice but frequently you come across people in daytime in the town centre that appear to be high on drugs this is very intimidating for shoppers and visitors. There is no excuse for this if the council can't housekeep yards from their own town hall there is no hope.
Grunewald is every bit the modern politician soundbites initiatives but no vision no judgement and no common sense. He jumps from one announcement to another knowing they are next weeks chip paper but it keeps the image of someone doing something. As others have said no one of sane mind can believe St. Helens is a quality town centre. Apart from the lack of shops the basics are wrong the main shopping centre is full of litter and many places where there are patches of dried vomit. This also might not sound nice but frequently you come across people in daytime in the town centre that appear to be high on drugs this is very intimidating for shoppers and visitors. There is no excuse for this if the council can't housekeep yards from their own town hall there is no hope. Sankey
  • Score: 8

2:27pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Star_reader says...

"“This council has invested in maintaining a quality town centre environment..."

Grunewald, you owe me a new laptop, I've just covered this is coffee.
"“This council has invested in maintaining a quality town centre environment..." Grunewald, you owe me a new laptop, I've just covered this is coffee. Star_reader
  • Score: 12

2:30pm Wed 23 Jul 14

lawman2004 says...

So are the shops that are there now, going to be able to prosper because Saturday is busy but the other six days when parking is charged for, are not ?
So are the shops that are there now, going to be able to prosper because Saturday is busy but the other six days when parking is charged for, are not ? lawman2004
  • Score: 5

5:29pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Hughwithaview says...

Just had to venture into Town because of an appointment. I did not even get into the actual town centre but the selection of strange people hanging around on the outskirts would be enough to put anyone off. If they are not staggering around high as a kite, they are shouting foul language at the tops of their voices.

I can remember when there was some pride and decency in St Helens but now it's just been allowed to descend into haven for misfits.
Just had to venture into Town because of an appointment. I did not even get into the actual town centre but the selection of strange people hanging around on the outskirts would be enough to put anyone off. If they are not staggering around high as a kite, they are shouting foul language at the tops of their voices. I can remember when there was some pride and decency in St Helens but now it's just been allowed to descend into haven for misfits. Hughwithaview
  • Score: 11

5:39pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Sankey says...

Hughwithaview wrote:
Just had to venture into Town because of an appointment. I did not even get into the actual town centre but the selection of strange people hanging around on the outskirts would be enough to put anyone off. If they are not staggering around high as a kite, they are shouting foul language at the tops of their voices.

I can remember when there was some pride and decency in St Helens but now it's just been allowed to descend into haven for misfits.
I was in st helens this week middle of the day boiling hot and a guy either drugged or drunk as a skunk with blood on his face wandering around pestering passers by. I have witnessed this type of thing on a few occassions. I am not having a go for the sake of it the place is an absolute dump. As long as its like this the council can pay people to park people wont come who would subject your family to that.
[quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: Just had to venture into Town because of an appointment. I did not even get into the actual town centre but the selection of strange people hanging around on the outskirts would be enough to put anyone off. If they are not staggering around high as a kite, they are shouting foul language at the tops of their voices. I can remember when there was some pride and decency in St Helens but now it's just been allowed to descend into haven for misfits.[/p][/quote]I was in st helens this week middle of the day boiling hot and a guy either drugged or drunk as a skunk with blood on his face wandering around pestering passers by. I have witnessed this type of thing on a few occassions. I am not having a go for the sake of it the place is an absolute dump. As long as its like this the council can pay people to park people wont come who would subject your family to that. Sankey
  • Score: 8

6:58pm Wed 23 Jul 14

keepitreel says...

BAZA isnt interested in the town centre he has his eye on bigger fish being our M.P.
hows this sound for a scenario,the LIEBORE party says we have to have a woman MP,PANIC erupts at the town hall scared a young woman from down south will get the job and be here for 30 years scuppering plans made already in the back rooms of the council to slip in one of their own,enter cllr RIMMER from worst person in the world to messiah who will turn this town into the garden of eden,backed by those who stabbed her in the back 6 months earlier.
Her friends and family on the council vote for her to become the candidate(MP in waiting) job done she gets what she has always wanted,the local party has a puppet to dance to their tune every ones a winner (exept the people of this town).
Now this is what i think will happen,RIMMER MP desides through ill health old age or cant be bothered any-more to stand down as MP,she gets her golden handshake and pension for life for being an MP,job done she open the door for BAZA to step in no women to stand in his way this time and bingo,30 + years of the same old rubbish we have had for the past 30 years,any body fancy a £20 bet at betfreds on this happening.
BAZA isnt interested in the town centre he has his eye on bigger fish being our M.P. hows this sound for a scenario,the LIEBORE party says we have to have a woman MP,PANIC erupts at the town hall scared a young woman from down south will get the job and be here for 30 years scuppering plans made already in the back rooms of the council to slip in one of their own,enter cllr RIMMER from worst person in the world to messiah who will turn this town into the garden of eden,backed by those who stabbed her in the back 6 months earlier. Her friends and family on the council vote for her to become the candidate(MP in waiting) job done she gets what she has always wanted,the local party has a puppet to dance to their tune every ones a winner (exept the people of this town). Now this is what i think will happen,RIMMER MP desides through ill health old age or cant be bothered any-more to stand down as MP,she gets her golden handshake and pension for life for being an MP,job done she open the door for BAZA to step in no women to stand in his way this time and bingo,30 + years of the same old rubbish we have had for the past 30 years,any body fancy a £20 bet at betfreds on this happening. keepitreel
  • Score: 7

9:41pm Wed 23 Jul 14

jumperr says...

They have let them who voted for them down, have they ever stuck to the priorities the people of St. Helens voted for, get them right and the rest will follow
They have let them who voted for them down, have they ever stuck to the priorities the people of St. Helens voted for, get them right and the rest will follow jumperr
  • Score: -1

10:26pm Wed 23 Jul 14

mikeashworth says...

jumperr wrote:
They have let them who voted for them down, have they ever stuck to the priorities the people of St. Helens voted for, get them right and the rest will follow
what we always need to remember is that they may ask for that most precious thing, our vote, they make many promises, however it is always "party first" they do not work for us. none of them do.
[quote][p][bold]jumperr[/bold] wrote: They have let them who voted for them down, have they ever stuck to the priorities the people of St. Helens voted for, get them right and the rest will follow[/p][/quote]what we always need to remember is that they may ask for that most precious thing, our vote, they make many promises, however it is always "party first" they do not work for us. none of them do. mikeashworth
  • Score: 5

11:01pm Wed 23 Jul 14

stephen4x says...

It's all been said before of course but there is little reason to head into town nowadays. Only time I go is to pay a cheque in or for an eye test! Free or not to park won't add any desirability as things stand.
It's all been said before of course but there is little reason to head into town nowadays. Only time I go is to pay a cheque in or for an eye test! Free or not to park won't add any desirability as things stand. stephen4x
  • Score: 11

11:33am Thu 24 Jul 14

Sankey says...

All you need to do is spend one million pounds of council Tax payers money and that town centre would be thriving

Pity our council leader has not come up with such a brilliant Iidea.
All you need to do is spend one million pounds of council Tax payers money and that town centre would be thriving Pity our council leader has not come up with such a brilliant Iidea. Sankey
  • Score: 0

10:14am Sun 27 Jul 14

jumperr says...

If the reason for not shopping is the price of parking,why would shoppers pay for a couple of gallon to go out of town,
If the reason for not shopping is the price of parking,why would shoppers pay for a couple of gallon to go out of town, jumperr
  • Score: -1

10:38am Sun 27 Jul 14

lawman2004 says...

jumperr wrote:
If the reason for not shopping is the price of parking,why would shoppers pay for a couple of gallon to go out of town,
Because although out of town retail parks have tome constraints on their parking they do not enforce them with them rigorous zealous ' got you ' attitude that is displayed by the town centres parking enforcement company. Not talking about illegally parked vehicles but those instances where through no fault of your own, you are a couple of minutes late returning to your vehicle only to find a hefty fine stuck to your window screen. Hence, people do not want to shop in a constant state of fear
[quote][p][bold]jumperr[/bold] wrote: If the reason for not shopping is the price of parking,why would shoppers pay for a couple of gallon to go out of town,[/p][/quote]Because although out of town retail parks have tome constraints on their parking they do not enforce them with them rigorous zealous ' got you ' attitude that is displayed by the town centres parking enforcement company. Not talking about illegally parked vehicles but those instances where through no fault of your own, you are a couple of minutes late returning to your vehicle only to find a hefty fine stuck to your window screen. Hence, people do not want to shop in a constant state of fear lawman2004
  • Score: 7

12:07pm Sun 27 Jul 14

jumperr says...

The point is,there is not the shops people want to shop in, the price to park would outweigh the price to travel
The point is,there is not the shops people want to shop in, the price to park would outweigh the price to travel jumperr
  • Score: 1

1:40pm Sun 27 Jul 14

keepitreel says...

it is quicker for me who lives in SUTTON to drive into WIDNES park up for free on the car park than drive into town,find a car park space were i can spend a few hours shopping having lunch etc, without having to worry about how much it will cost,plus it is a nicer shopping experience than ST HELENS.
it is quicker for me who lives in SUTTON to drive into WIDNES park up for free on the car park than drive into town,find a car park space were i can spend a few hours shopping having lunch etc, without having to worry about how much it will cost,plus it is a nicer shopping experience than ST HELENS. keepitreel
  • Score: 3

12:16am Mon 28 Jul 14

rosered1 says...

Sankey wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
Just had to venture into Town because of an appointment. I did not even get into the actual town centre but the selection of strange people hanging around on the outskirts would be enough to put anyone off. If they are not staggering around high as a kite, they are shouting foul language at the tops of their voices.

I can remember when there was some pride and decency in St Helens but now it's just been allowed to descend into haven for misfits.
I was in st helens this week middle of the day boiling hot and a guy either drugged or drunk as a skunk with blood on his face wandering around pestering passers by. I have witnessed this type of thing on a few occassions. I am not having a go for the sake of it the place is an absolute dump. As long as its like this the council can pay people to park people wont come who would subject your family to that.
No one wants to go to a town where you are bothered every twenty steps by people begging or lurching into you because they are to drunk or drugged to stand up properly.
The town centre is a nightmare. Bargain shops and two drunks for the price of one. Shameful mis~management by our beloved council. This town used to be a great little place now it is just a shambles.
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: Just had to venture into Town because of an appointment. I did not even get into the actual town centre but the selection of strange people hanging around on the outskirts would be enough to put anyone off. If they are not staggering around high as a kite, they are shouting foul language at the tops of their voices. I can remember when there was some pride and decency in St Helens but now it's just been allowed to descend into haven for misfits.[/p][/quote]I was in st helens this week middle of the day boiling hot and a guy either drugged or drunk as a skunk with blood on his face wandering around pestering passers by. I have witnessed this type of thing on a few occassions. I am not having a go for the sake of it the place is an absolute dump. As long as its like this the council can pay people to park people wont come who would subject your family to that.[/p][/quote]No one wants to go to a town where you are bothered every twenty steps by people begging or lurching into you because they are to drunk or drugged to stand up properly. The town centre is a nightmare. Bargain shops and two drunks for the price of one. Shameful mis~management by our beloved council. This town used to be a great little place now it is just a shambles. rosered1
  • Score: 5

7:41am Mon 28 Jul 14

StHelens lad says...

As a person who is trying to run a town centre business, will the council please LISTEN. The comments on here are so true, its not so much the drunks, its the drug addicts that are putting people off from this town!!! Addaction open 6 days a week, if you park on one of the biggest town car parks you have to walk past this place and its so called "clients" as they call them. There is no way your or your children would want to put up with the behaviour or abuse you will get from these "clients" The town is been taken over by drug addicts, you have the YMCA, housing people that are banned from other towns!!! Come on can the council not see this? I have no interest in politics, I want a town centre that is safe for people to come to, do all the free parking you want, in fact you are saying there is a problem, its the drug addicts making the town unsafe!!!!!
As a person who is trying to run a town centre business, will the council please LISTEN. The comments on here are so true, its not so much the drunks, its the drug addicts that are putting people off from this town!!! Addaction open 6 days a week, if you park on one of the biggest town car parks you have to walk past this place and its so called "clients" as they call them. There is no way your or your children would want to put up with the behaviour or abuse you will get from these "clients" The town is been taken over by drug addicts, you have the YMCA, housing people that are banned from other towns!!! Come on can the council not see this? I have no interest in politics, I want a town centre that is safe for people to come to, do all the free parking you want, in fact you are saying there is a problem, its the drug addicts making the town unsafe!!!!! StHelens lad
  • Score: 8

11:03am Mon 28 Jul 14

jumperr says...

I've said the priorities and concerns of the the town are never listen too, never follow what is voted for , how they just keep getting away with saying one thing and doing another is rotten
I've said the priorities and concerns of the the town are never listen too, never follow what is voted for , how they just keep getting away with saying one thing and doing another is rotten jumperr
  • Score: 2

11:34am Mon 28 Jul 14

djdexnelson says...

cant people already park for free at the retail park? plus they have decent shops! and other towns never charge for parking anyway!
cant people already park for free at the retail park? plus they have decent shops! and other towns never charge for parking anyway! djdexnelson
  • Score: 1

9:43pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Hughwithaview says...

StHelens lad wrote:
As a person who is trying to run a town centre business, will the council please LISTEN. The comments on here are so true, its not so much the drunks, its the drug addicts that are putting people off from this town!!! Addaction open 6 days a week, if you park on one of the biggest town car parks you have to walk past this place and its so called "clients" as they call them. There is no way your or your children would want to put up with the behaviour or abuse you will get from these "clients" The town is been taken over by drug addicts, you have the YMCA, housing people that are banned from other towns!!! Come on can the council not see this? I have no interest in politics, I want a town centre that is safe for people to come to, do all the free parking you want, in fact you are saying there is a problem, its the drug addicts making the town unsafe!!!!!
You have my sympathy trying to run a town centre business with all the obstacles put in your way - and to think this Council has the nerve to brag about "all" it is doing to help independents.

You are right, there are so many reasons why people will not come into St Helens town centre but feeling unsafe must be at the top of the list. This Council is too busy patting drug addicts on the head and throwing money at them for treatment to care about what happens to the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]StHelens lad[/bold] wrote: As a person who is trying to run a town centre business, will the council please LISTEN. The comments on here are so true, its not so much the drunks, its the drug addicts that are putting people off from this town!!! Addaction open 6 days a week, if you park on one of the biggest town car parks you have to walk past this place and its so called "clients" as they call them. There is no way your or your children would want to put up with the behaviour or abuse you will get from these "clients" The town is been taken over by drug addicts, you have the YMCA, housing people that are banned from other towns!!! Come on can the council not see this? I have no interest in politics, I want a town centre that is safe for people to come to, do all the free parking you want, in fact you are saying there is a problem, its the drug addicts making the town unsafe!!!!![/p][/quote]You have my sympathy trying to run a town centre business with all the obstacles put in your way - and to think this Council has the nerve to brag about "all" it is doing to help independents. You are right, there are so many reasons why people will not come into St Helens town centre but feeling unsafe must be at the top of the list. This Council is too busy patting drug addicts on the head and throwing money at them for treatment to care about what happens to the rest of us. Hughwithaview
  • Score: 2

8:55am Tue 29 Jul 14

jumperr says...

The council is totally to blame fpr the demise of the town lax policing of policies creates a bad behavioural system which in the long run creates a bad tow, if they bothered to look at the way other borough applies the laws we might start improving our outlook, these in power are just not up to it
The council is totally to blame fpr the demise of the town lax policing of policies creates a bad behavioural system which in the long run creates a bad tow, if they bothered to look at the way other borough applies the laws we might start improving our outlook, these in power are just not up to it jumperr
  • Score: 1

9:01am Tue 29 Jul 14

mikeashworth says...

lawman2004 wrote:
jumperr wrote:
If the reason for not shopping is the price of parking,why would shoppers pay for a couple of gallon to go out of town,
Because although out of town retail parks have tome constraints on their parking they do not enforce them with them rigorous zealous ' got you ' attitude that is displayed by the town centres parking enforcement company. Not talking about illegally parked vehicles but those instances where through no fault of your own, you are a couple of minutes late returning to your vehicle only to find a hefty fine stuck to your window screen. Hence, people do not want to shop in a constant state of fear
The Range is a different issue altogether of course, they'll have you...
[quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jumperr[/bold] wrote: If the reason for not shopping is the price of parking,why would shoppers pay for a couple of gallon to go out of town,[/p][/quote]Because although out of town retail parks have tome constraints on their parking they do not enforce them with them rigorous zealous ' got you ' attitude that is displayed by the town centres parking enforcement company. Not talking about illegally parked vehicles but those instances where through no fault of your own, you are a couple of minutes late returning to your vehicle only to find a hefty fine stuck to your window screen. Hence, people do not want to shop in a constant state of fear[/p][/quote]The Range is a different issue altogether of course, they'll have you... mikeashworth
  • Score: 1

9:04am Tue 29 Jul 14

mikeashworth says...

djdexnelson wrote:
cant people already park for free at the retail park? plus they have decent shops! and other towns never charge for parking anyway!
people could park at ravenhead retail park and walk over bridge into town i believe. or maybe even tesco and walk over bridge. however, i fear people are too lazy, i've heard from so many people comments like, they wont walk from church square up to wilkinsons as it's too far. this isnt elderly, disabled people either, just regular people. the mind boggles.
[quote][p][bold]djdexnelson[/bold] wrote: cant people already park for free at the retail park? plus they have decent shops! and other towns never charge for parking anyway![/p][/quote]people could park at ravenhead retail park and walk over bridge into town i believe. or maybe even tesco and walk over bridge. however, i fear people are too lazy, i've heard from so many people comments like, they wont walk from church square up to wilkinsons as it's too far. this isnt elderly, disabled people either, just regular people. the mind boggles. mikeashworth
  • Score: 0

10:06am Tue 29 Jul 14

keepitreel says...

mikeashworth wrote:
djdexnelson wrote:
cant people already park for free at the retail park? plus they have decent shops! and other towns never charge for parking anyway!
people could park at ravenhead retail park and walk over bridge into town i believe. or maybe even tesco and walk over bridge. however, i fear people are too lazy, i've heard from so many people comments like, they wont walk from church square up to wilkinsons as it's too far. this isnt elderly, disabled people either, just regular people. the mind boggles.
you could park on the retail park then walk over a mile to the shop you wish to go to then lug a heavy bag the mile or so back,but dont forget you have a time restriction on parking and the most zealous parking enforcers in ST HELENS watching your every move.
[quote][p][bold]mikeashworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djdexnelson[/bold] wrote: cant people already park for free at the retail park? plus they have decent shops! and other towns never charge for parking anyway![/p][/quote]people could park at ravenhead retail park and walk over bridge into town i believe. or maybe even tesco and walk over bridge. however, i fear people are too lazy, i've heard from so many people comments like, they wont walk from church square up to wilkinsons as it's too far. this isnt elderly, disabled people either, just regular people. the mind boggles.[/p][/quote]you could park on the retail park then walk over a mile to the shop you wish to go to then lug a heavy bag the mile or so back,but dont forget you have a time restriction on parking and the most zealous parking enforcers in ST HELENS watching your every move. keepitreel
  • Score: 2

8:37pm Tue 29 Jul 14

barrie timpson says...

Every time I go into town it looks dirtier and the people grubbier , I know this sounds harsh , but I'm afraid it's true.

I really only go in now if I have to , and there is no way I would pay to park.

Also the most common site in town is a traffic warden , why why why.

I'm afraid the problems seem to be escalating.
Every time I go into town it looks dirtier and the people grubbier , I know this sounds harsh , but I'm afraid it's true. I really only go in now if I have to , and there is no way I would pay to park. Also the most common site in town is a traffic warden , why why why. I'm afraid the problems seem to be escalating. barrie timpson
  • Score: -2

9:58pm Tue 29 Jul 14

barrie timpson says...

Actually , there really is NO WAY I would pay to park as I don't have a car ...but if I did - you get the drift.
Actually , there really is NO WAY I would pay to park as I don't have a car ...but if I did - you get the drift. barrie timpson
  • Score: 0

11:13pm Tue 29 Jul 14

frankly says...

anyone coming by bus into town...where do they get off.. tell you where, Alki Alley, once called westfield st
anyone coming by bus into town...where do they get off.. tell you where, Alki Alley, once called westfield st frankly
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