Fears youth and children's services face cull

St Helens Star: Senior officers at St Helens Town Hall have been reviewing the youth and play budget Senior officers at St Helens Town Hall have been reviewing the youth and play budget

FEARS are growing that severe council budget cuts will see the axe fall on youth clubs and some children’s centre classes.

The Star was contacted by a number of sources this week who voiced concerns that the council’s network of youth centres are facing closure.

New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.

It is understood the future of the centres had been the subject of a council review in recent months.

When asked by the Star where the axe was falling, the council was vague in their response.

Responding to claims that youth centres will shut, a council spokeswoman said: “No decision has yet been made and the council is consulting with staff and users and will consider the consultation responses before any final decision is made.”

The council statement added: “Government funding to the council has been cut year on year and the youth and play budget is facing a 50 per cent reduction next year.

“It is clear that there will be a reduction in the number of staff employed, every measure will be taken to offer redeployment and early retirement too as many as possible.”

A number of Star readers, who claim to have learned of the cuts, criticised the council, especially as the threat to youth centres comes just months after a Labour election pledge to create a major youth centre in the town centre, mirroring Wigan’s much heralded youth zone.

Council leader Barrie Grunewald confirmed in his annual speech that he wants this to happen at College Street’s Beacon Building.

The council statement added: “The leader is keen to see a new facility developed in the town centre that will provide young people with the high quality venue that meets their needs.

“The feasibility of a modern town centre building being converted to become a state of the art facility will be looked at.”

The council, meanwhile, has played down the threat to classes for mums and babies that are held at children's centres.

 A spokesman said several activities have been cancelled for a "restructure" but added "that everything should be back to normal within the next week".

He added: "All service users have been involved in a consultation process to advise them of this.

"Over the summer holidays all the sessions get reviewed anyway to take account of changing needs/requirements of service users and this will happen again this year."

Have your services been affected by council cut backs? Contact the Star's Andrew Kilmurray on akilmurray@sthelensstar.co.uk or call 01744 762712

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10:57am Thu 3 Jul 14

Hughwithaview says...

"the Council was vague in their response"

This Council is in a permanent state of being "vague" Whilst other local Councils have made statements about their plans for reduced services and job losses, St Helens has remained mostly silent on the subject. That is because they want to uphold a public face whilst trying to carry out these cuts by the back door and behind the scenes. They are fooling no one.

Maybe people would have a little empathy, as we all accept there have been cuts to Government funding, if they could see that this Council was managing the money it has in the best way possible. However, that is not the case and for a Labour Council who bangs on and on about maintaining services for the "most vunerable" in our society, care homes for dementia sufferers and services related to children should not be the first targets for cuts.

As for jobs - I think it is time to start looking at the value of some Senior Officers and Senior Managers. Are they really worth their massive salaries? Well, if you look at the amount of money spent on recruiting outside private consultants everytime any initiatives and plans are considered, I would say they are certainly not.
"the Council was vague in their response" This Council is in a permanent state of being "vague" Whilst other local Councils have made statements about their plans for reduced services and job losses, St Helens has remained mostly silent on the subject. That is because they want to uphold a public face whilst trying to carry out these cuts by the back door and behind the scenes. They are fooling no one. Maybe people would have a little empathy, as we all accept there have been cuts to Government funding, if they could see that this Council was managing the money it has in the best way possible. However, that is not the case and for a Labour Council who bangs on and on about maintaining services for the "most vunerable" in our society, care homes for dementia sufferers and services related to children should not be the first targets for cuts. As for jobs - I think it is time to start looking at the value of some Senior Officers and Senior Managers. Are they really worth their massive salaries? Well, if you look at the amount of money spent on recruiting outside private consultants everytime any initiatives and plans are considered, I would say they are certainly not. Hughwithaview
  • Score: 20

5:08pm Thu 3 Jul 14

anthonywilson says...

It's really sad if true that further cuts being made will impact upon children and young people, but then again they don't have any power in the form of a vote come election time.
I can't understand how on one hand St Helens Council can say they want a new town centre facility for young people and at the same time appear likely to be cutting/closing other existing facilities for young people.? ( More Owellian doublespeak maybe/) In the long run cuts will be detrimental. A study conducted a few years ago by accountants Coopers and Lybrands stated that if a young persons project/facility kept just two young people out of thirty attending out of entering the criminal justice system the project/facility would pay for itself.
As much as the Council might like to see the Beacon Building being used as the new town centre facility for young people, it has no outside area and although much of it is currently not being used it is in the ownership of the YMCA, so any decision about its future use isn't in their hands. At one time the Council Youth Services were based in the YMCA Beacon Building and because of the then cuts moved out. (So much for any strategic thinking there then by St Helens Council!) Given that the usual comments being made about consultations being ongoing are coming out I would more than suggest from past history of these types of announcements, that any decisions have already been taken.
It's really sad if true that further cuts being made will impact upon children and young people, but then again they don't have any power in the form of a vote come election time. I can't understand how on one hand St Helens Council can say they want a new town centre facility for young people and at the same time appear likely to be cutting/closing other existing facilities for young people.? ( More Owellian doublespeak maybe/) In the long run cuts will be detrimental. A study conducted a few years ago by accountants Coopers and Lybrands stated that if a young persons project/facility kept just two young people out of thirty attending out of entering the criminal justice system the project/facility would pay for itself. As much as the Council might like to see the Beacon Building being used as the new town centre facility for young people, it has no outside area and although much of it is currently not being used it is in the ownership of the YMCA, so any decision about its future use isn't in their hands. At one time the Council Youth Services were based in the YMCA Beacon Building and because of the then cuts moved out. (So much for any strategic thinking there then by St Helens Council!) Given that the usual comments being made about consultations being ongoing are coming out I would more than suggest from past history of these types of announcements, that any decisions have already been taken. anthonywilson
  • Score: 2

6:23pm Thu 3 Jul 14

barrie timpson says...

So again I will ask - what exactly is the 89 million (plus) in the bank for?

According to a FOI request , there is no set amount they have to keep in there , and it can be used for whatever it sees fit.

I don't see why central government should keep funding the councils when they are sat on millions and millions of taxpayers money?

If this isn't a rainy day then what is? and what kind of socialist council can find money for the latest hi tech gadgets for itself , yet cuts front line services?
So again I will ask - what exactly is the 89 million (plus) in the bank for? According to a FOI request , there is no set amount they have to keep in there , and it can be used for whatever it sees fit. I don't see why central government should keep funding the councils when they are sat on millions and millions of taxpayers money? If this isn't a rainy day then what is? and what kind of socialist council can find money for the latest hi tech gadgets for itself , yet cuts front line services? barrie timpson
  • Score: 7

7:08pm Thu 3 Jul 14

lawman2004 says...

'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.'
My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ? lawman2004
  • Score: 0

9:19pm Thu 3 Jul 14

TESSYGLYNN says...

lawman2004 wrote:
'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.'
My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.
[quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?[/p][/quote]We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally. TESSYGLYNN
  • Score: 3

12:50am Fri 4 Jul 14

moonman77 says...

TESSYGLYNN wrote:
lawman2004 wrote:
'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.'
My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.
2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ?
Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.
[quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?[/p][/quote]We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.[/p][/quote]2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you. moonman77
  • Score: 6

9:46am Fri 4 Jul 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Concerning the salaries of some highly paid officers in that well known House of Cards saying "You could say that but I could not possibly comment".

As to the £84m reserves by law all councils have to have this as a % of their budget and it cannot be spent. Understand the point made but that's the law. I have the same problem explaining to others the money held in Trust which can only be reduced by permission of those who monitor Trust Funds. Something to do with tax but I am now out of my depth.

However once again the blame is being placed at local level and not at Westminster which cut Local Authority budgets year on year. I read somewhere that the Council is asking its residents to make their own suggestions where to cut. Some comments above have already been targeted. Whether those will solve the problem I doubt it.
Concerning the salaries of some highly paid officers in that well known House of Cards saying "You could say that but I could not possibly comment". As to the £84m reserves by law all councils have to have this as a % of their budget and it cannot be spent. Understand the point made but that's the law. I have the same problem explaining to others the money held in Trust which can only be reduced by permission of those who monitor Trust Funds. Something to do with tax but I am now out of my depth. However once again the blame is being placed at local level and not at Westminster which cut Local Authority budgets year on year. I read somewhere that the Council is asking its residents to make their own suggestions where to cut. Some comments above have already been targeted. Whether those will solve the problem I doubt it. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: -1

10:18am Fri 4 Jul 14

barrie timpson says...

Bill you are wrong - it CAN be spent , and there is NO set amount the council have to keep in there reserves.

That's what the FOI told me and it's exactly what Eric Pickles said - the can spend it.
Bill you are wrong - it CAN be spent , and there is NO set amount the council have to keep in there reserves. That's what the FOI told me and it's exactly what Eric Pickles said - the can spend it. barrie timpson
  • Score: 7

10:34am Fri 4 Jul 14

barrie timpson says...

"There are no rules on what councils should hold in reserve and taxpayers will be amazed that while councils are amassing billions in secret stockpiles some are pleading poverty and raising Council Tax bills for hard working families."


https://www.gov.uk/g
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ils-amassing-secret-
stockpiles-of-taxpay
er-money-says-local-
government-secretary
"There are no rules on what councils should hold in reserve and taxpayers will be amazed that while councils are amassing billions in secret stockpiles some are pleading poverty and raising Council Tax bills for hard working families." https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/news/counc ils-amassing-secret- stockpiles-of-taxpay er-money-says-local- government-secretary barrie timpson
  • Score: 8

10:41am Fri 4 Jul 14

barrie timpson says...

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money" somebody once said , perhaps they should have amended it to "Socialists love spending other peoples money but spit there dummy out when it comes time to spend their own "?
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money" somebody once said , perhaps they should have amended it to "Socialists love spending other peoples money but spit there dummy out when it comes time to spend their own "? barrie timpson
  • Score: 8

10:59am Fri 4 Jul 14

barrie timpson says...

some atrocious spelling from me this morning ! there their they're !!!
some atrocious spelling from me this morning ! there their they're !!! barrie timpson
  • Score: 2

3:19pm Fri 4 Jul 14

lawman2004 says...

Precisely moonman77...It's a wonder the council isn't providing these inadequate parents with tax payer funded lessons on how to perform the procreation act as well.
Precisely moonman77...It's a wonder the council isn't providing these inadequate parents with tax payer funded lessons on how to perform the procreation act as well. lawman2004
  • Score: 2

4:24pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Bill Bradbury says...

barrie timpson wrote:
"There are no rules on what councils should hold in reserve and taxpayers will be amazed that while councils are amassing billions in secret stockpiles some are pleading poverty and raising Council Tax bills for hard working families."


https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/news/counc

ils-amassing-secret-

stockpiles-of-taxpay

er-money-says-local-

government-secretary
Thanks for that Barrie I will check as we might be referring to two different things. As I have written many times on this site really someone in the finance department or Cllr. with the Financial portfolio should be able to answer this and settle the argument once and for all. I am only repeating what I have been told that they are reserves that a council has to hold which could be similar to the recent legislation on Banks and their liquidity.
[quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: "There are no rules on what councils should hold in reserve and taxpayers will be amazed that while councils are amassing billions in secret stockpiles some are pleading poverty and raising Council Tax bills for hard working families." https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/news/counc ils-amassing-secret- stockpiles-of-taxpay er-money-says-local- government-secretary[/p][/quote]Thanks for that Barrie I will check as we might be referring to two different things. As I have written many times on this site really someone in the finance department or Cllr. with the Financial portfolio should be able to answer this and settle the argument once and for all. I am only repeating what I have been told that they are reserves that a council has to hold which could be similar to the recent legislation on Banks and their liquidity. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 3

7:05pm Fri 4 Jul 14

TESSYGLYNN says...

moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
lawman2004 wrote:
'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.'
My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.
2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ?
Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.
These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you
[quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?[/p][/quote]We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.[/p][/quote]2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.[/p][/quote]These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you TESSYGLYNN
  • Score: 0

7:37pm Fri 4 Jul 14

keepitreel says...

the council is given money from central government and money it raises itself,it then CHOOSES were to spend this money.
They have a list of things they HAVE to supply by law,they also have a list they can supply if they wish and also a list of things they do not have a statutory right to supply.
why not spend the money on the things they HAVE to and any left over do the other things.
The problem is everyone wants something for nothing,and the council uses the closures of things they dont have to supply as a vote grabber by calling the government for cuts.
Once all the fat has been cut of start cutting the less lean meat,or reduce dramatically the cost of actually running the council.
the council is given money from central government and money it raises itself,it then CHOOSES were to spend this money. They have a list of things they HAVE to supply by law,they also have a list they can supply if they wish and also a list of things they do not have a statutory right to supply. why not spend the money on the things they HAVE to and any left over do the other things. The problem is everyone wants something for nothing,and the council uses the closures of things they dont have to supply as a vote grabber by calling the government for cuts. Once all the fat has been cut of start cutting the less lean meat,or reduce dramatically the cost of actually running the council. keepitreel
  • Score: 0

2:49pm Sat 5 Jul 14

jumperr says...

The problem is the government
The problem is the government jumperr
  • Score: -7

3:00pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Sankey says...

Bill Bradbury wrote:
Concerning the salaries of some highly paid officers in that well known House of Cards saying "You could say that but I could not possibly comment".

As to the £84m reserves by law all councils have to have this as a % of their budget and it cannot be spent. Understand the point made but that's the law. I have the same problem explaining to others the money held in Trust which can only be reduced by permission of those who monitor Trust Funds. Something to do with tax but I am now out of my depth.

However once again the blame is being placed at local level and not at Westminster which cut Local Authority budgets year on year. I read somewhere that the Council is asking its residents to make their own suggestions where to cut. Some comments above have already been targeted. Whether those will solve the problem I doubt it.
Bill Bradbury you keep saying councils have to keep x percentage of reserves back but never do you give the actual percentage. I presume you know what the law is by making such a statement so why be vague? I have looked on google and I can't find anything although it would make sense to have such a rule. Looking at Wigan and warringtons accounts they have nothing like the cash reserves of St. Helens despite being bigger authorities. Please be specific about the law otherwise the public will assume once agajn you are backing your chums in the town hall.
[quote][p][bold]Bill Bradbury[/bold] wrote: Concerning the salaries of some highly paid officers in that well known House of Cards saying "You could say that but I could not possibly comment". As to the £84m reserves by law all councils have to have this as a % of their budget and it cannot be spent. Understand the point made but that's the law. I have the same problem explaining to others the money held in Trust which can only be reduced by permission of those who monitor Trust Funds. Something to do with tax but I am now out of my depth. However once again the blame is being placed at local level and not at Westminster which cut Local Authority budgets year on year. I read somewhere that the Council is asking its residents to make their own suggestions where to cut. Some comments above have already been targeted. Whether those will solve the problem I doubt it.[/p][/quote]Bill Bradbury you keep saying councils have to keep x percentage of reserves back but never do you give the actual percentage. I presume you know what the law is by making such a statement so why be vague? I have looked on google and I can't find anything although it would make sense to have such a rule. Looking at Wigan and warringtons accounts they have nothing like the cash reserves of St. Helens despite being bigger authorities. Please be specific about the law otherwise the public will assume once agajn you are backing your chums in the town hall. Sankey
  • Score: 4

3:00pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Sankey says...

Bill Bradbury wrote:
Concerning the salaries of some highly paid officers in that well known House of Cards saying "You could say that but I could not possibly comment".

As to the £84m reserves by law all councils have to have this as a % of their budget and it cannot be spent. Understand the point made but that's the law. I have the same problem explaining to others the money held in Trust which can only be reduced by permission of those who monitor Trust Funds. Something to do with tax but I am now out of my depth.

However once again the blame is being placed at local level and not at Westminster which cut Local Authority budgets year on year. I read somewhere that the Council is asking its residents to make their own suggestions where to cut. Some comments above have already been targeted. Whether those will solve the problem I doubt it.
Bill Bradbury you keep saying councils have to keep x percentage of reserves back but never do you give the actual percentage. I presume you know what the law is by making such a statement so why be vague? I have looked on google and I can't find anything although it would make sense to have such a rule. Looking at Wigan and warringtons accounts they have nothing like the cash reserves of St. Helens despite being bigger authorities. Please be specific about the law otherwise the public will assume once agajn you are backing your chums in the town hall.
[quote][p][bold]Bill Bradbury[/bold] wrote: Concerning the salaries of some highly paid officers in that well known House of Cards saying "You could say that but I could not possibly comment". As to the £84m reserves by law all councils have to have this as a % of their budget and it cannot be spent. Understand the point made but that's the law. I have the same problem explaining to others the money held in Trust which can only be reduced by permission of those who monitor Trust Funds. Something to do with tax but I am now out of my depth. However once again the blame is being placed at local level and not at Westminster which cut Local Authority budgets year on year. I read somewhere that the Council is asking its residents to make their own suggestions where to cut. Some comments above have already been targeted. Whether those will solve the problem I doubt it.[/p][/quote]Bill Bradbury you keep saying councils have to keep x percentage of reserves back but never do you give the actual percentage. I presume you know what the law is by making such a statement so why be vague? I have looked on google and I can't find anything although it would make sense to have such a rule. Looking at Wigan and warringtons accounts they have nothing like the cash reserves of St. Helens despite being bigger authorities. Please be specific about the law otherwise the public will assume once agajn you are backing your chums in the town hall. Sankey
  • Score: -1

3:03pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Sankey says...

To be fair there must be a law otherwise looney left labour councils would be bankrupt in weeks. The question is what is it and are St. Helens well above the statutory number which I very much suspect they are
To be fair there must be a law otherwise looney left labour councils would be bankrupt in weeks. The question is what is it and are St. Helens well above the statutory number which I very much suspect they are Sankey
  • Score: 2

6:05pm Sat 5 Jul 14

barrie timpson says...

They only like spending other peoples money Sankey , not their own haha ??
They only like spending other peoples money Sankey , not their own haha ?? barrie timpson
  • Score: -1

10:46am Sun 6 Jul 14

Sankey says...

Socialists love spending money others have earned it's in their DNA.
Socialists love spending money others have earned it's in their DNA. Sankey
  • Score: 3

1:31pm Sun 6 Jul 14

moonman77 says...

TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
lawman2004 wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.
2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.
These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you
I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.
[quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?[/p][/quote]We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.[/p][/quote]2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.[/p][/quote]These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you[/p][/quote]I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund. moonman77
  • Score: 6

4:21pm Sun 6 Jul 14

jumperr says...

Put it in our bank well won't spend Tory party not a union, give us a break the trees are there have a look. (Can't comment on some post on this paper.)
Put it in our bank well won't spend Tory party not a union, give us a break the trees are there have a look. (Can't comment on some post on this paper.) jumperr
  • Score: -1

6:26pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Sankey wrote:
To be fair there must be a law otherwise looney left labour councils would be bankrupt in weeks. The question is what is it and are St. Helens well above the statutory number which I very much suspect they are
Obviously not reading my comments again or at least misreading them. Unlike you, and as I promised to Barry, I would find out so nothing to do with my defending my "chums at the Town Hall". In one sense your comment above answers your question as you perceive the Council. You should be thankful for small mercies in the law, if there is one.

I have contacted my Cllr. on the issue and the Cllr. with this portfolio is Cllr. Fletcher so I hope we can get a definitive answer without speculation on this comment site.
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: To be fair there must be a law otherwise looney left labour councils would be bankrupt in weeks. The question is what is it and are St. Helens well above the statutory number which I very much suspect they are[/p][/quote]Obviously not reading my comments again or at least misreading them. Unlike you, and as I promised to Barry, I would find out so nothing to do with my defending my "chums at the Town Hall". In one sense your comment above answers your question as you perceive the Council. You should be thankful for small mercies in the law, if there is one. I have contacted my Cllr. on the issue and the Cllr. with this portfolio is Cllr. Fletcher so I hope we can get a definitive answer without speculation on this comment site. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 1

8:54pm Sun 6 Jul 14

barrie timpson says...

If he does Bill , which I hope will happen - can we have it in layman's terms please , as I struggle with the double speak.

There is a Councillor on here by the way.
If he does Bill , which I hope will happen - can we have it in layman's terms please , as I struggle with the double speak. There is a Councillor on here by the way. barrie timpson
  • Score: 0

9:00pm Sun 6 Jul 14

TESSYGLYNN says...

moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
lawman2004 wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.
2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.
These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you
I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.
I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about
[quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?[/p][/quote]We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.[/p][/quote]2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.[/p][/quote]These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you[/p][/quote]I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.[/p][/quote]I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about TESSYGLYNN
  • Score: -1

9:04pm Sun 6 Jul 14

barrie timpson says...

From my freedom of information request...

"Thank you for correspondence received on ...... 2014, requesting information about the Council’s reserves under the Freedom of Information Act.

Details and the process of committing these funds are contained within the Budget Report. The latest report was agreed by the Council on 5 March 2014, the link to which is given below

St.Helens Council - Agenda for Council on Wednesday, 5th March, 2014, 6.15 pm

Reserves are an essential part of good financial management. They help the Council cope with unpredictable financial pressures and plan for future spending commitments.
There is no set formula for deciding what level of reserves is appropriate – the Council is free to determine the reserves they hold. Elected members are responsible for ensuring that the Council’s reserves are appropriate for local circumstances, and are accountable to taxpayers for the decisions they make.
From my freedom of information request... "Thank you for correspondence received on ...... 2014, requesting information about the Council’s reserves under the Freedom of Information Act. Details and the process of committing these funds are contained within the Budget Report. The latest report was agreed by the Council on 5 March 2014, the link to which is given below St.Helens Council - Agenda for Council on Wednesday, 5th March, 2014, 6.15 pm Reserves are an essential part of good financial management. They help the Council cope with unpredictable financial pressures and plan for future spending commitments. There is no set formula for deciding what level of reserves is appropriate – the Council is free to determine the reserves they hold. Elected members are responsible for ensuring that the Council’s reserves are appropriate for local circumstances, and are accountable to taxpayers for the decisions they make. barrie timpson
  • Score: 2

12:18am Mon 7 Jul 14

Sankey says...

barrie timpson wrote:
From my freedom of information request...

"Thank you for correspondence received on ...... 2014, requesting information about the Council’s reserves under the Freedom of Information Act.

Details and the process of committing these funds are contained within the Budget Report. The latest report was agreed by the Council on 5 March 2014, the link to which is given below

St.Helens Council - Agenda for Council on Wednesday, 5th March, 2014, 6.15 pm

Reserves are an essential part of good financial management. They help the Council cope with unpredictable financial pressures and plan for future spending commitments.
There is no set formula for deciding what level of reserves is appropriate – the Council is free to determine the reserves they hold. Elected members are responsible for ensuring that the Council’s reserves are appropriate for local circumstances, and are accountable to taxpayers for the decisions they make.
Thanks for that barrie so why in the name of heaven are they holding back £90m and while cutting back care homes etc.

It's a scandal

If it's at the discretion of the council there should be minutes rationalising the decision you are free to ask for them under FOI and understand what the strategy is.
[quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: From my freedom of information request... "Thank you for correspondence received on ...... 2014, requesting information about the Council’s reserves under the Freedom of Information Act. Details and the process of committing these funds are contained within the Budget Report. The latest report was agreed by the Council on 5 March 2014, the link to which is given below St.Helens Council - Agenda for Council on Wednesday, 5th March, 2014, 6.15 pm Reserves are an essential part of good financial management. They help the Council cope with unpredictable financial pressures and plan for future spending commitments. There is no set formula for deciding what level of reserves is appropriate – the Council is free to determine the reserves they hold. Elected members are responsible for ensuring that the Council’s reserves are appropriate for local circumstances, and are accountable to taxpayers for the decisions they make.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that barrie so why in the name of heaven are they holding back £90m and while cutting back care homes etc. It's a scandal If it's at the discretion of the council there should be minutes rationalising the decision you are free to ask for them under FOI and understand what the strategy is. Sankey
  • Score: 1

8:01am Mon 7 Jul 14

Bill Bradbury says...

barrie timpson wrote:
If he does Bill , which I hope will happen - can we have it in layman's terms please , as I struggle with the double speak.

There is a Councillor on here by the way.
Well ask him.
[quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: If he does Bill , which I hope will happen - can we have it in layman's terms please , as I struggle with the double speak. There is a Councillor on here by the way.[/p][/quote]Well ask him. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 2

11:43am Mon 7 Jul 14

moonman77 says...

TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
lawman2004 wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.
2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.
These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you
I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.
I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about
Well, with your aggressive language towards me I'm not suprised you need someones assistance. Perhaps you need to attend a respect peer group? (Funded by someone else of course) You need to learn Its all about respecting other peoples opinions, and In my humble opinion its a waste of tax payers money in this day and age to spend on such resources. You contridict yourself as well. In one post you say 'I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.' then in another post you say ... 'Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts'. So do you think the council should make cuts or not? and if they do what should they do with the funds? Hire a professional (your words) to assist young mums? I'll say it again and stand by my sentiments , If you want children ensure you have the comittment to bring them up respectfully and properly and do NOT expect the state to do it for you.
[quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?[/p][/quote]We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.[/p][/quote]2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.[/p][/quote]These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you[/p][/quote]I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.[/p][/quote]I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about[/p][/quote]Well, with your aggressive language towards me I'm not suprised you need someones assistance. Perhaps you need to attend a respect peer group? (Funded by someone else of course) You need to learn Its all about respecting other peoples opinions, and In my humble opinion its a waste of tax payers money in this day and age to spend on such resources. You contridict yourself as well. In one post you say 'I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.' then in another post you say ... 'Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts'. So do you think the council should make cuts or not? and if they do what should they do with the funds? Hire a professional (your words) to assist young mums? I'll say it again and stand by my sentiments , If you want children ensure you have the comittment to bring them up respectfully and properly and do NOT expect the state to do it for you. moonman77
  • Score: 0

12:43pm Mon 7 Jul 14

TESSYGLYNN says...

moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
lawman2004 wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.
2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.
These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you
I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.
I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about
Well, with your aggressive language towards me I'm not suprised you need someones assistance. Perhaps you need to attend a respect peer group? (Funded by someone else of course) You need to learn Its all about respecting other peoples opinions, and In my humble opinion its a waste of tax payers money in this day and age to spend on such resources. You contridict yourself as well. In one post you say 'I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.' then in another post you say ... 'Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts'. So do you think the council should make cuts or not? and if they do what should they do with the funds? Hire a professional (your words) to assist young mums? I'll say it again and stand by my sentiments , If you want children ensure you have the comittment to bring them up respectfully and properly and do NOT expect the state to do it for you.
I will RESPECTFULLY retire from this discussion as it is apparent that you have a one sided opinion of this issue , and I also stand my ground that these cuts will have a devastating impact on this vulnerable group of young families . Just an aside , the employees I was referring to are the low paid children and families workers who operate the centres not the senior highly paid managers as I think you were aware of anyway
[quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?[/p][/quote]We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.[/p][/quote]2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.[/p][/quote]These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you[/p][/quote]I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.[/p][/quote]I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about[/p][/quote]Well, with your aggressive language towards me I'm not suprised you need someones assistance. Perhaps you need to attend a respect peer group? (Funded by someone else of course) You need to learn Its all about respecting other peoples opinions, and In my humble opinion its a waste of tax payers money in this day and age to spend on such resources. You contridict yourself as well. In one post you say 'I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.' then in another post you say ... 'Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts'. So do you think the council should make cuts or not? and if they do what should they do with the funds? Hire a professional (your words) to assist young mums? I'll say it again and stand by my sentiments , If you want children ensure you have the comittment to bring them up respectfully and properly and do NOT expect the state to do it for you.[/p][/quote]I will RESPECTFULLY retire from this discussion as it is apparent that you have a one sided opinion of this issue , and I also stand my ground that these cuts will have a devastating impact on this vulnerable group of young families . Just an aside , the employees I was referring to are the low paid children and families workers who operate the centres not the senior highly paid managers as I think you were aware of anyway TESSYGLYNN
  • Score: 2

3:01pm Mon 7 Jul 14

jumperr says...

6th richest country in the world,
6th richest country in the world, jumperr
  • Score: 1

3:53pm Mon 7 Jul 14

moonman77 says...

So its all right to throw someone out of work because they are on a good salary and may have worked their way up by education, graft, and long hard hours to achieve that?

I think their families may be devistated as well dont you?
So its all right to throw someone out of work because they are on a good salary and may have worked their way up by education, graft, and long hard hours to achieve that? I think their families may be devistated as well dont you? moonman77
  • Score: -5

7:52pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Fififlowerpot says...

moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
lawman2004 wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.
2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.
These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you
I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.
I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about
Well, with your aggressive language towards me I'm not suprised you need someones assistance. Perhaps you need to attend a respect peer group? (Funded by someone else of course) You need to learn Its all about respecting other peoples opinions, and In my humble opinion its a waste of tax payers money in this day and age to spend on such resources. You contridict yourself as well. In one post you say 'I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.' then in another post you say ... 'Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts'. So do you think the council should make cuts or not? and if they do what should they do with the funds? Hire a professional (your words) to assist young mums? I'll say it again and stand by my sentiments , If you want children ensure you have the comittment to bring them up respectfully and properly and do NOT expect the state to do it for you.
Moonman you do realise that you're getting your knickers in a twist about baby yoga and healthy eating sessions, play groups and coffee mornings....full time working mums like myself have access to such groups...NOT because we expect the government to spoon feed us through parenting, but because time has progressed since 1912 and its a fun environment for the kids as well as a break for the mums...just because people USE these play centres and groups does not mean to say they are inadequate and expect to be carried through life...I was born in 1979 and I went to play centres, play groups etc.....the issue is funding is being cut in the worst places.....
[quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?[/p][/quote]We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.[/p][/quote]2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.[/p][/quote]These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you[/p][/quote]I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.[/p][/quote]I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about[/p][/quote]Well, with your aggressive language towards me I'm not suprised you need someones assistance. Perhaps you need to attend a respect peer group? (Funded by someone else of course) You need to learn Its all about respecting other peoples opinions, and In my humble opinion its a waste of tax payers money in this day and age to spend on such resources. You contridict yourself as well. In one post you say 'I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.' then in another post you say ... 'Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts'. So do you think the council should make cuts or not? and if they do what should they do with the funds? Hire a professional (your words) to assist young mums? I'll say it again and stand by my sentiments , If you want children ensure you have the comittment to bring them up respectfully and properly and do NOT expect the state to do it for you.[/p][/quote]Moonman you do realise that you're getting your knickers in a twist about baby yoga and healthy eating sessions, play groups and coffee mornings....full time working mums like myself have access to such groups...NOT because we expect the government to spoon feed us through parenting, but because time has progressed since 1912 and its a fun environment for the kids as well as a break for the mums...just because people USE these play centres and groups does not mean to say they are inadequate and expect to be carried through life...I was born in 1979 and I went to play centres, play groups etc.....the issue is funding is being cut in the worst places..... Fififlowerpot
  • Score: 6

9:22pm Mon 7 Jul 14

barrie timpson says...

Hear hear Fifi.
Hear hear Fifi. barrie timpson
  • Score: 2

11:51am Tue 8 Jul 14

Star_reader says...

Fififlowerpot wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
lawman2004 wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.
2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.
These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you
I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.
I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about
Well, with your aggressive language towards me I'm not suprised you need someones assistance. Perhaps you need to attend a respect peer group? (Funded by someone else of course) You need to learn Its all about respecting other peoples opinions, and In my humble opinion its a waste of tax payers money in this day and age to spend on such resources. You contridict yourself as well. In one post you say 'I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.' then in another post you say ... 'Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts'. So do you think the council should make cuts or not? and if they do what should they do with the funds? Hire a professional (your words) to assist young mums? I'll say it again and stand by my sentiments , If you want children ensure you have the comittment to bring them up respectfully and properly and do NOT expect the state to do it for you.
Moonman you do realise that you're getting your knickers in a twist about baby yoga and healthy eating sessions, play groups and coffee mornings....full time working mums like myself have access to such groups...NOT because we expect the government to spoon feed us through parenting, but because time has progressed since 1912 and its a fun environment for the kids as well as a break for the mums...just because people USE these play centres and groups does not mean to say they are inadequate and expect to be carried through life...I was born in 1979 and I went to play centres, play groups etc.....the issue is funding is being cut in the worst places.....
Baby Yoga I've heard it all now...
If you want to go to baby yoga or have a nice little social peer group for healthy eating sessions or coffee morning, the option is to always there to pay for it all yourself.
So yes these cuts if they happen may it impact you and others, but I for one would prefer it for the nice to haves to go, then the needed by necessity services.
[quote][p][bold]Fififlowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?[/p][/quote]We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.[/p][/quote]2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.[/p][/quote]These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you[/p][/quote]I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.[/p][/quote]I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about[/p][/quote]Well, with your aggressive language towards me I'm not suprised you need someones assistance. Perhaps you need to attend a respect peer group? (Funded by someone else of course) You need to learn Its all about respecting other peoples opinions, and In my humble opinion its a waste of tax payers money in this day and age to spend on such resources. You contridict yourself as well. In one post you say 'I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.' then in another post you say ... 'Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts'. So do you think the council should make cuts or not? and if they do what should they do with the funds? Hire a professional (your words) to assist young mums? I'll say it again and stand by my sentiments , If you want children ensure you have the comittment to bring them up respectfully and properly and do NOT expect the state to do it for you.[/p][/quote]Moonman you do realise that you're getting your knickers in a twist about baby yoga and healthy eating sessions, play groups and coffee mornings....full time working mums like myself have access to such groups...NOT because we expect the government to spoon feed us through parenting, but because time has progressed since 1912 and its a fun environment for the kids as well as a break for the mums...just because people USE these play centres and groups does not mean to say they are inadequate and expect to be carried through life...I was born in 1979 and I went to play centres, play groups etc.....the issue is funding is being cut in the worst places.....[/p][/quote]Baby Yoga I've heard it all now... If you want to go to baby yoga or have a nice little social peer group for healthy eating sessions or coffee morning, the option is to always there to pay for it all yourself. So yes these cuts if they happen may it impact you and others, but I for one would prefer it for the nice to haves to go, then the needed by necessity services. Star_reader
  • Score: -3

11:59am Tue 8 Jul 14

Star_reader says...

And can we also be clear the article says "some classes would be ceasing".
So not the end of the world really is it? the services will still be there but maybe not at the same time or location.
And can we also be clear the article says "some classes would be ceasing". So not the end of the world really is it? the services will still be there but maybe not at the same time or location. Star_reader
  • Score: -1

7:14pm Tue 8 Jul 14

barrie timpson says...

I think with 89 million in the bank , nothing needs to be "ceasing" .
I think with 89 million in the bank , nothing needs to be "ceasing" . barrie timpson
  • Score: -1

7:16pm Tue 8 Jul 14

moonman77 says...

The voice of common sense. Star reader. Well said.
The voice of common sense. Star reader. Well said. moonman77
  • Score: -3

9:08pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Star_reader says...

barrie timpson wrote:
I think with 89 million in the bank , nothing needs to be "ceasing" .
That's where we differ. I think it does.
[quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: I think with 89 million in the bank , nothing needs to be "ceasing" .[/p][/quote]That's where we differ. I think it does. Star_reader
  • Score: 0

1:54am Wed 9 Jul 14

TESSYGLYNN says...

Star_reader wrote:
Fififlowerpot wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
lawman2004 wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.
2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.
These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you
I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.
I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about
Well, with your aggressive language towards me I'm not suprised you need someones assistance. Perhaps you need to attend a respect peer group? (Funded by someone else of course) You need to learn Its all about respecting other peoples opinions, and In my humble opinion its a waste of tax payers money in this day and age to spend on such resources. You contridict yourself as well. In one post you say 'I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.' then in another post you say ... 'Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts'. So do you think the council should make cuts or not? and if they do what should they do with the funds? Hire a professional (your words) to assist young mums? I'll say it again and stand by my sentiments , If you want children ensure you have the comittment to bring them up respectfully and properly and do NOT expect the state to do it for you.
Moonman you do realise that you're getting your knickers in a twist about baby yoga and healthy eating sessions, play groups and coffee mornings....full time working mums like myself have access to such groups...NOT because we expect the government to spoon feed us through parenting, but because time has progressed since 1912 and its a fun environment for the kids as well as a break for the mums...just because people USE these play centres and groups does not mean to say they are inadequate and expect to be carried through life...I was born in 1979 and I went to play centres, play groups etc.....the issue is funding is being cut in the worst places.....
Baby Yoga I've heard it all now...
If you want to go to baby yoga or have a nice little social peer group for healthy eating sessions or coffee morning, the option is to always there to pay for it all yourself.
So yes these cuts if they happen may it impact you and others, but I for one would prefer it for the nice to haves to go, then the needed by necessity services.
Love it
[quote][p][bold]Star_reader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fififlowerpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?[/p][/quote]We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.[/p][/quote]2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.[/p][/quote]These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you[/p][/quote]I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.[/p][/quote]I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about[/p][/quote]Well, with your aggressive language towards me I'm not suprised you need someones assistance. Perhaps you need to attend a respect peer group? (Funded by someone else of course) You need to learn Its all about respecting other peoples opinions, and In my humble opinion its a waste of tax payers money in this day and age to spend on such resources. You contridict yourself as well. In one post you say 'I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.' then in another post you say ... 'Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts'. So do you think the council should make cuts or not? and if they do what should they do with the funds? Hire a professional (your words) to assist young mums? I'll say it again and stand by my sentiments , If you want children ensure you have the comittment to bring them up respectfully and properly and do NOT expect the state to do it for you.[/p][/quote]Moonman you do realise that you're getting your knickers in a twist about baby yoga and healthy eating sessions, play groups and coffee mornings....full time working mums like myself have access to such groups...NOT because we expect the government to spoon feed us through parenting, but because time has progressed since 1912 and its a fun environment for the kids as well as a break for the mums...just because people USE these play centres and groups does not mean to say they are inadequate and expect to be carried through life...I was born in 1979 and I went to play centres, play groups etc.....the issue is funding is being cut in the worst places.....[/p][/quote]Baby Yoga I've heard it all now... If you want to go to baby yoga or have a nice little social peer group for healthy eating sessions or coffee morning, the option is to always there to pay for it all yourself. So yes these cuts if they happen may it impact you and others, but I for one would prefer it for the nice to haves to go, then the needed by necessity services.[/p][/quote]Love it TESSYGLYNN
  • Score: 3

9:39am Thu 10 Jul 14

frankly says...

TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
lawman2004 wrote:
'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.'
My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.
2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ?
Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.
These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you
you are way out..im a grandparent, and when a parent, didn't need others like these places to mind my children... criteria should be, in this age, do you really need us to look after your offspring..i didn't, and as for being with other children, well mine was, I think its called neighbours.. I also totally agree that lots shouldn't have children, if they cant look a after them... how many just drop their children off, then sit back all day until pick up time ?.. lots I think.
[quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?[/p][/quote]We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.[/p][/quote]2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.[/p][/quote]These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you[/p][/quote]you are way out..im a grandparent, and when a parent, didn't need others like these places to mind my children... criteria should be, in this age, do you really need us to look after your offspring..i didn't, and as for being with other children, well mine was, I think its called neighbours.. I also totally agree that lots shouldn't have children, if they cant look a after them... how many just drop their children off, then sit back all day until pick up time ?.. lots I think. frankly
  • Score: 1

9:43am Thu 10 Jul 14

frankly says...

TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
lawman2004 wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.
2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.
These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you
I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.
I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about
and i don't think you have learned how not to be rude to fellow posters,,lose your rag, and lose the plot, comes to mind
[quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?[/p][/quote]We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.[/p][/quote]2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.[/p][/quote]These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you[/p][/quote]I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.[/p][/quote]I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about[/p][/quote]and i don't think you have learned how not to be rude to fellow posters,,lose your rag, and lose the plot, comes to mind frankly
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10:05am Thu 10 Jul 14

Star_reader says...

frankly wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
moonman77 wrote:
TESSYGLYNN wrote:
lawman2004 wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?
We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.
2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.
These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you
I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.
I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about
and i don't think you have learned how not to be rude to fellow posters,,lose your rag, and lose the plot, comes to mind
Maybe these centres could teach manners to some of the parents?
[quote][p][bold]frankly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]moonman77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TESSYGLYNN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawman2004[/bold] wrote: 'New mums who take their babies to play classes at children’s centres were also informed the some classes would be ceasing.' My mother brought up three of us with out the recourse to mother and baby centres. Like wise her mother bought up two kids . So why the need for them now ?[/p][/quote]We are now in 2014, there is a need for these types of services. When I had my family in the 70's I was a very young mum and my parents were not able to help me because they were still working. My husband worked long hours in order for me to stay at home to look after our children. We have moved on enormously since then and if I may add for the better. Some of these young ( and not so young) mums need support from peer groups and professionals alike and these cuts are very bad for this vulnerable group. I agree that this council should look into salaries given to senior managers to see if they are worth our money and perhaps make some cuts internally.[/p][/quote]2014 mums need Peer groups ? Professionals ? Support groups ???? Am I hearing right ? Simple-if you can't support your child and give it the loving upbringing and education that is necessary ..... Don't have any !!!! And certainly Don't expect the state or the council to do it for you.[/p][/quote]These children are given a loving upbringing alongside other children and mums via the children centres. Go back under the stone you crawled out of , you are a very ignorant person and I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren, we could well do without people like you[/p][/quote]I have 4 children actually and I crawled out of my rock many many time to be there and support my children through both good and bad times. Never once did I call upon peer or support groups or children centres to help. Now my children come back to me and my family for advise and help which we duly give them and do not, unlike you, expect the state to provide and fund.[/p][/quote]I don't expect the state to fund anything you stupid man , you are missing the point. Our taxes pay for these essential services . They might not be essential to an ignoramus like you but to a lot if these mums, they are vitally important. Not to mention the employees who will most likely be out if work because of these cuts . I, too am here for my children and grandchildren and I didn't, as I stated in my first post, get anything from the state but I don't expect people of 2014.tobexperience the same isolation . A lot of these mums don't have a loving family to go to for advice or anything else. So please don't slate what you obviously know nothing about[/p][/quote]and i don't think you have learned how not to be rude to fellow posters,,lose your rag, and lose the plot, comes to mind[/p][/quote]Maybe these centres could teach manners to some of the parents? Star_reader
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