Could Carr Mill railway station finally happen?

St Helens Star: Could Carr Mill railway station finally happen? Could Carr Mill railway station finally happen?

COUNCILLORS are making a renewed push to create a new railway station that would transform a shabby gateway and significantly boost the transport network.

The idea of building a railway station at Carr Mill has been mooted since the 1990s but the plans have never materialised.

In 2009 draft proposals were drawn up to regenerate the site off Laffak Road and there were even detailed consultation meetings with residents.

But ambitions went quiet until being drawn back into the public domain in the last month.

In his speech to full council last week, Cllr Barrie Grunewald, said: “We have asked for the development of a station at Carr Mill to be brought forward by Merseytravel to support people to travel between the cities and St Helens and to ensure that this link helps people to access employment opportunities only offered currently on the Merseyrail service.

“This is an important part of our transport plans going forward and reports will be brought back during this year.”

Meanwhile, Cllr John Fulham, a St Helens Council representative on Merseytravel, said that electrification makes it easier to slide a station stop into the timetable.

He said: “Carr Mill makes strategic sense both for St Helens but for all the Liverpool City Region economy.

“It opens up opportunities of jobs, shopping and leisure. It may also offer a connection point for Haydock races (with a bus shuttle).”

However, given the failure of the plans to materialise in the past there are those in the Laffak and Carr Mill areas who are sceptical about any of these proposals coming to fruition.

The St Helens Green Party have also voiced concerns that plans for the local rail network seem to be an afterthought in the region’s pecking order.

But Merseytravel has confirmed it will examine the need for a station.

A spokesperson said: “We are due to carry out a study later this year to establish the demand for a station at Car Mill and will be working closely with St Helens Council on this.

“The outcome of the study will help us establish whether it would be feasible and economically viable to take plans forward to the next stage of development.”

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9:34pm Tue 17 Jun 14

mikeperry109 says...

More pure **** from Grunewald. Every week there is a new announcement - the Town Centre, Parkside Colliery, St. Thomas's Square.
The man is a total joke - using St. Helens to further his political career, backed by useless, spineless councillors elected by less than 20% of the St. Helens electorate. As was said, 'You fool all of the people some of the time, and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time'.
Find somewhere else to peddle your spin, Grunewald. The people are on to you.
More pure **** from Grunewald. Every week there is a new announcement - the Town Centre, Parkside Colliery, St. Thomas's Square. The man is a total joke - using St. Helens to further his political career, backed by useless, spineless councillors elected by less than 20% of the St. Helens electorate. As was said, 'You fool all of the people some of the time, and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time'. Find somewhere else to peddle your spin, Grunewald. The people are on to you. mikeperry109
  • Score: -4

9:47pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Sankey says...

Grunewald is a man in transit with plans on greater things than little St. Helens. The more promises he makes the better, they are next weeks chip papers, he won't have to deliver all or even most of them before moving up the greasy (but lucrative) labour pole,
Grunewald is a man in transit with plans on greater things than little St. Helens. The more promises he makes the better, they are next weeks chip papers, he won't have to deliver all or even most of them before moving up the greasy (but lucrative) labour pole, Sankey
  • Score: -4

10:42pm Tue 17 Jun 14

windows says...

Wouldn't it be more useful to the residents of St Helens to reopen the town centre link with St Helens Junction.
Wouldn't it be more useful to the residents of St Helens to reopen the town centre link with St Helens Junction. windows
  • Score: 27

11:11pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Eranu says...

Would be good if it happens, and it should happen soon, as this area is a now a total eyesore and looks to be in limbo waiting for this long promised station to be delivered. However, talk is cheap, and actions speak louder than words...
Would be good if it happens, and it should happen soon, as this area is a now a total eyesore and looks to be in limbo waiting for this long promised station to be delivered. However, talk is cheap, and actions speak louder than words... Eranu
  • Score: 5

11:40pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Sankey says...

I agree with windows
I agree with windows Sankey
  • Score: -1

11:45pm Tue 17 Jun 14

anthonywilson says...

windows wrote:
Wouldn't it be more useful to the residents of St Helens to reopen the town centre link with St Helens Junction.
It certainly would and the St Helens Green Party has produced a more detailed transport plan and a bigger vision than just the opening of a new Carr Mill Station. It has put forward proposals to reopen the St Helens Central to St Helens Junction line and by doing so new services could then be created to Manchester, North Wales, and a new Chester to Southport service via St Helens Junction and St Helens Central.
Whilst I would welcome the development of a new Stadium at Carr Miill a much wider solution to local transport is needed. Unfortunately St Helens Council has often talked a good talk and seldom delivers either on time or on budget, that's if it delivers the goods at all! Perhaps if Councillors had been more astute back in the 1980's the rail link between Central and Junction stations would never have been severed in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]windows[/bold] wrote: Wouldn't it be more useful to the residents of St Helens to reopen the town centre link with St Helens Junction.[/p][/quote]It certainly would and the St Helens Green Party has produced a more detailed transport plan and a bigger vision than just the opening of a new Carr Mill Station. It has put forward proposals to reopen the St Helens Central to St Helens Junction line and by doing so new services could then be created to Manchester, North Wales, and a new Chester to Southport service via St Helens Junction and St Helens Central. Whilst I would welcome the development of a new Stadium at Carr Miill a much wider solution to local transport is needed. Unfortunately St Helens Council has often talked a good talk and seldom delivers either on time or on budget, that's if it delivers the goods at all! Perhaps if Councillors had been more astute back in the 1980's the rail link between Central and Junction stations would never have been severed in the first place. anthonywilson
  • Score: 5

11:58pm Tue 17 Jun 14

ImTopMan says...

windows wrote:
Wouldn't it be more useful to the residents of St Helens to reopen the town centre link with St Helens Junction.
I live in Sutton and rumours go round every year about the Central to Junction line re-opening. It would be a much more useful to the people of this town than a station at Carr Mill.

As anthonywilson says, it could be used for connections to North Wales,Manchester etc and also for Freight. When it closed in 1989 I though it would be up and running again within 10 years....not so.

Saints could put it to good use and maybe even Morrisons and Tesco which are real close to the line.

A link which would be so useful to our town is being left to rot. What a waste.
[quote][p][bold]windows[/bold] wrote: Wouldn't it be more useful to the residents of St Helens to reopen the town centre link with St Helens Junction.[/p][/quote]I live in Sutton and rumours go round every year about the Central to Junction line re-opening. It would be a much more useful to the people of this town than a station at Carr Mill. As anthonywilson says, it could be used for connections to North Wales,Manchester etc and also for Freight. When it closed in 1989 I though it would be up and running again within 10 years....not so. Saints could put it to good use and maybe even Morrisons and Tesco which are real close to the line. A link which would be so useful to our town is being left to rot. What a waste. ImTopMan
  • Score: 9

9:00am Wed 18 Jun 14

Bill Bradbury says...

windows wrote:
Wouldn't it be more useful to the residents of St Helens to reopen the town centre link with St Helens Junction.
I agree and it would enable a stop by Langtree Park for Rugby matches and a direct link to Manchester Airport without having to go to Wigan.

It won't happen for as one who is an avid reader of "Rail" magazine (I am a rail "anorak") any further project on this line due to the immense expenditure on electrification and the 4 track development at Huyton and Roby I don't think Railtrack and the Government will spend that money.

Siting a station at Carr Mill will have parking and feeder roads to take into account which will be an added expense. Living in Billinge I have no problem accessing Garswood or St.Helens Central or even the Manchester line via Sutton.

My gripe on this electrification process is that we will be getting 2nd. hand refurbished/updated cast-offs from the SW whilst they get new rolling stock.
Still at least we will be getting quieter and faster trains and see the last (I hope) of the "Bus-on bogeys" Pacers, (Rock and Rollers)some 30 years old, but I note all recently refurbished. Should be operational by Christmas.

PS Line closure for a week from 5th.July-bus service to Liverpool and all stations.
[quote][p][bold]windows[/bold] wrote: Wouldn't it be more useful to the residents of St Helens to reopen the town centre link with St Helens Junction.[/p][/quote]I agree and it would enable a stop by Langtree Park for Rugby matches and a direct link to Manchester Airport without having to go to Wigan. It won't happen for as one who is an avid reader of "Rail" magazine (I am a rail "anorak") any further project on this line due to the immense expenditure on electrification and the 4 track development at Huyton and Roby I don't think Railtrack and the Government will spend that money. Siting a station at Carr Mill will have parking and feeder roads to take into account which will be an added expense. Living in Billinge I have no problem accessing Garswood or St.Helens Central or even the Manchester line via Sutton. My gripe on this electrification process is that we will be getting 2nd. hand refurbished/updated cast-offs from the SW whilst they get new rolling stock. Still at least we will be getting quieter and faster trains and see the last (I hope) of the "Bus-on bogeys" Pacers, (Rock and Rollers)some 30 years old, but I note all recently refurbished. Should be operational by Christmas. PS Line closure for a week from 5th.July-bus service to Liverpool and all stations. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 9

9:09am Wed 18 Jun 14

mikeashworth says...

windows wrote:
Wouldn't it be more useful to the residents of St Helens to reopen the town centre link with St Helens Junction.
the council are also pushing for that project to be undertaken as well.
[quote][p][bold]windows[/bold] wrote: Wouldn't it be more useful to the residents of St Helens to reopen the town centre link with St Helens Junction.[/p][/quote]the council are also pushing for that project to be undertaken as well. mikeashworth
  • Score: 11

10:20am Wed 18 Jun 14

Bill Bradbury says...

mikeashworth wrote:
windows wrote:
Wouldn't it be more useful to the residents of St Helens to reopen the town centre link with St Helens Junction.
the council are also pushing for that project to be undertaken as well.
I wish the Council every success if that is so. I would not hold your breath.

However in correspondence with Merseytravel and at their Forums I have pressed for all bus stops to have the electronic times of arrivals as I find in most towns they have this. They tell me it is in hand but I think they keep dropping the ball.
Currently the information time table in Billinge shelters appear to bear no resemblance to when buses actually arrive--for illustrative purposes only I think!!?.
[quote][p][bold]mikeashworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]windows[/bold] wrote: Wouldn't it be more useful to the residents of St Helens to reopen the town centre link with St Helens Junction.[/p][/quote]the council are also pushing for that project to be undertaken as well.[/p][/quote]I wish the Council every success if that is so. I would not hold your breath. However in correspondence with Merseytravel and at their Forums I have pressed for all bus stops to have the electronic times of arrivals as I find in most towns they have this. They tell me it is in hand but I think they keep dropping the ball. Currently the information time table in Billinge shelters appear to bear no resemblance to when buses actually arrive--for illustrative purposes only I think!!?. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 3

11:03am Wed 18 Jun 14

Sthelenscrusader says...

mikeperry109 wrote:
More pure **** from Grunewald. Every week there is a new announcement - the Town Centre, Parkside Colliery, St. Thomas's Square.
The man is a total joke - using St. Helens to further his political career, backed by useless, spineless councillors elected by less than 20% of the St. Helens electorate. As was said, 'You fool all of the people some of the time, and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time'.
Find somewhere else to peddle your spin, Grunewald. The people are on to you.
Mike, your bitterness and anti Labour bile clouds your judgement.

Town Centre - £1m and a commission to look into it

St Thomas Square - builders on site

Parkside - bought and I hear planning application within the year

If these are jokes I say keep them coming, as I'm rolling in the aisles with laughter and if you think Cllrs are useless Mike, stand against them, oh you did that and was heavily defeated.
[quote][p][bold]mikeperry109[/bold] wrote: More pure **** from Grunewald. Every week there is a new announcement - the Town Centre, Parkside Colliery, St. Thomas's Square. The man is a total joke - using St. Helens to further his political career, backed by useless, spineless councillors elected by less than 20% of the St. Helens electorate. As was said, 'You fool all of the people some of the time, and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time'. Find somewhere else to peddle your spin, Grunewald. The people are on to you.[/p][/quote]Mike, your bitterness and anti Labour bile clouds your judgement. Town Centre - £1m and a commission to look into it St Thomas Square - builders on site Parkside - bought and I hear planning application within the year If these are jokes I say keep them coming, as I'm rolling in the aisles with laughter and if you think Cllrs are useless Mike, stand against them, oh you did that and was heavily defeated. Sthelenscrusader
  • Score: 12

3:54pm Wed 18 Jun 14

cyke27 says...

i really doubt the central to junction line will ever re-open i have family who works for network rail and they declared full closure of the line a good few months back and put it up for sale
i really doubt the central to junction line will ever re-open i have family who works for network rail and they declared full closure of the line a good few months back and put it up for sale cyke27
  • Score: 0

4:13pm Wed 18 Jun 14

mikeperry109 says...

Sthelenscrusader wrote:
mikeperry109 wrote:
More pure **** from Grunewald. Every week there is a new announcement - the Town Centre, Parkside Colliery, St. Thomas's Square.
The man is a total joke - using St. Helens to further his political career, backed by useless, spineless councillors elected by less than 20% of the St. Helens electorate. As was said, 'You fool all of the people some of the time, and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time'.
Find somewhere else to peddle your spin, Grunewald. The people are on to you.
Mike, your bitterness and anti Labour bile clouds your judgement.

Town Centre - £1m and a commission to look into it

St Thomas Square - builders on site

Parkside - bought and I hear planning application within the year

If these are jokes I say keep them coming, as I'm rolling in the aisles with laughter and if you think Cllrs are useless Mike, stand against them, oh you did that and was heavily defeated.
My comments are driven by the state of the town and the spin that is put on developments that will never happen. Any bile I have is directed towards Labour because they are in control - if it was anyone else it would be directed towards them.
Spending £1million on the town centre. What will it do? The town centre has been in decline since out of town shopping was permitted. Free parking and lower rents may slow down the decline, but what we need is a vision that brings people into the town to live and work - empty shops need to be converted into accommodation.
As for St. Thomas's Square, there is a digger there today, but even if it goes ahead and is completed, there will be little there to create employment - another restaurant and gym, which will probably cause others to close. It would have been better to landscape it and create some green space.
Parkside will never happen, not in the way that it is being claimed - thousands of jobs! It will end up as a giant truck park and the local residents will be faced with traffic chaos.
If you cannot see that the wool is being firmly pulled over your eyes you must be one of those people who would vote Labour if they were burning peasants in the street. Look at the record - PFI, Iraq, immigration - then get your head from up your backside and see what is really happening.
[quote][p][bold]Sthelenscrusader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeperry109[/bold] wrote: More pure **** from Grunewald. Every week there is a new announcement - the Town Centre, Parkside Colliery, St. Thomas's Square. The man is a total joke - using St. Helens to further his political career, backed by useless, spineless councillors elected by less than 20% of the St. Helens electorate. As was said, 'You fool all of the people some of the time, and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time'. Find somewhere else to peddle your spin, Grunewald. The people are on to you.[/p][/quote]Mike, your bitterness and anti Labour bile clouds your judgement. Town Centre - £1m and a commission to look into it St Thomas Square - builders on site Parkside - bought and I hear planning application within the year If these are jokes I say keep them coming, as I'm rolling in the aisles with laughter and if you think Cllrs are useless Mike, stand against them, oh you did that and was heavily defeated.[/p][/quote]My comments are driven by the state of the town and the spin that is put on developments that will never happen. Any bile I have is directed towards Labour because they are in control - if it was anyone else it would be directed towards them. Spending £1million on the town centre. What will it do? The town centre has been in decline since out of town shopping was permitted. Free parking and lower rents may slow down the decline, but what we need is a vision that brings people into the town to live and work - empty shops need to be converted into accommodation. As for St. Thomas's Square, there is a digger there today, but even if it goes ahead and is completed, there will be little there to create employment - another restaurant and gym, which will probably cause others to close. It would have been better to landscape it and create some green space. Parkside will never happen, not in the way that it is being claimed - thousands of jobs! It will end up as a giant truck park and the local residents will be faced with traffic chaos. If you cannot see that the wool is being firmly pulled over your eyes you must be one of those people who would vote Labour if they were burning peasants in the street. Look at the record - PFI, Iraq, immigration - then get your head from up your backside and see what is really happening. mikeperry109
  • Score: -1

5:33pm Wed 18 Jun 14

StHelens lad says...

1) Very nice to fit a station in because of electrification.
Pity there are only seven 30 year old cast of trains to run and these need modifying in order to use a guard.
2) Re-opening the line from central to St Helens junction would be money much better spent allowing direct confections to other parts of the network. This would bring more business and jobs to this dying town.
When will this council become pro active in promoting this town instead of opening huge drug rehabilitation places as they have just done with the new addiction place? Then calling it regeneration of the town centre??? We don't want a town full of drug addicts we want it full of growing businesses.
1) Very nice to fit a station in because of electrification. Pity there are only seven 30 year old cast of trains to run and these need modifying in order to use a guard. 2) Re-opening the line from central to St Helens junction would be money much better spent allowing direct confections to other parts of the network. This would bring more business and jobs to this dying town. When will this council become pro active in promoting this town instead of opening huge drug rehabilitation places as they have just done with the new addiction place? Then calling it regeneration of the town centre??? We don't want a town full of drug addicts we want it full of growing businesses. StHelens lad
  • Score: 7

2:47am Thu 19 Jun 14

cyke27 says...

cyke27 wrote:
i really doubt the central to junction line will ever re-open i have family who works for network rail and they declared full closure of the line a good few months back and put it up for sale
points on the track to junction are to be removed with the closure of st helens signal box. says it all really???
[quote][p][bold]cyke27[/bold] wrote: i really doubt the central to junction line will ever re-open i have family who works for network rail and they declared full closure of the line a good few months back and put it up for sale[/p][/quote]points on the track to junction are to be removed with the closure of st helens signal box. says it all really??? cyke27
  • Score: 0

7:44am Thu 19 Jun 14

StHelens lad says...

£500,000 has just been invested in the addiction centre, I believe there 80 staff employed, the money should be spent for the good of the town such as going towards re opening such railway lines. If the council had the will to do so it could be re opened to the benefit of all. Taking drugs is a choice not an illness its obscene for money to be spent on such things.
£500,000 has just been invested in the addiction centre, I believe there 80 staff employed, the money should be spent for the good of the town such as going towards re opening such railway lines. If the council had the will to do so it could be re opened to the benefit of all. Taking drugs is a choice not an illness its obscene for money to be spent on such things. StHelens lad
  • Score: 0

9:00am Thu 19 Jun 14

StHresident says...

What about the residents of Laffak? Do they want a train station, with the added noise, bleak landscape of the train user's car parks, maybe some of those awful high rise flats and added volume of traffic congestion. Extra train carriages would be beneficial, every day when I travel to work we are all packed in. Not sure where Health and Safety applies here. I agree with other comments, a link to the Junction would be money better spent, opening up links to Manchester, and I believe there is already a line in place so as not destroying any more land. Why do St Helens Council find the need to build on every inch of land. There used to be a lovely little paddock that had some horses where this proposed Station will be. Why don't they concentrate on the town centre, where if something is not done soon to save the town they will have plenty more land to build on. I have lived in St Helens all my life and I fear it's future. PS I only travel to Liverpool as I couldn't find a job in my local town, another problem!
What about the residents of Laffak? Do they want a train station, with the added noise, bleak landscape of the train user's car parks, maybe some of those awful high rise flats and added volume of traffic congestion. Extra train carriages would be beneficial, every day when I travel to work we are all packed in. Not sure where Health and Safety applies here. I agree with other comments, a link to the Junction would be money better spent, opening up links to Manchester, and I believe there is already a line in place so as not destroying any more land. Why do St Helens Council find the need to build on every inch of land. There used to be a lovely little paddock that had some horses where this proposed Station will be. Why don't they concentrate on the town centre, where if something is not done soon to save the town they will have plenty more land to build on. I have lived in St Helens all my life and I fear it's future. PS I only travel to Liverpool as I couldn't find a job in my local town, another problem! StHresident
  • Score: 11

2:12pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Mike PFI was introduced by John Major's Government. I continually opposed this at every School and Governor Forum. Nobody listened. As I have mentioned many times before Tony Blair just carried on Tory policy.
Mike PFI was introduced by John Major's Government. I continually opposed this at every School and Governor Forum. Nobody listened. As I have mentioned many times before Tony Blair just carried on Tory policy. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 7

4:17pm Thu 19 Jun 14

StHelens lad says...

Why oh why for once can this council not put the town ahead of politics and personal brownie points for councillors? If you carry on burying your heads in the sand there will be nothing left for you to squabble over!! Stop building out of town centres St Thomas's square been the latest I agree with Mike Perry, what god will this do for the actual town centre? Nothing do we really need more gyms and restaurants with the existing ones struggling and closing? You need to bring more people to the town, get the existing shops, restaurants and so busy. Good transport links is a good start, invest what money you have there. I could not agree more get the empty property's in use, why build more shops when half the town centre is empty????? I do not understand these people why are we paying for these so called decision makers?
Why oh why for once can this council not put the town ahead of politics and personal brownie points for councillors? If you carry on burying your heads in the sand there will be nothing left for you to squabble over!! Stop building out of town centres St Thomas's square been the latest I agree with Mike Perry, what god will this do for the actual town centre? Nothing do we really need more gyms and restaurants with the existing ones struggling and closing? You need to bring more people to the town, get the existing shops, restaurants and so busy. Good transport links is a good start, invest what money you have there. I could not agree more get the empty property's in use, why build more shops when half the town centre is empty????? I do not understand these people why are we paying for these so called decision makers? StHelens lad
  • Score: 5

8:54am Fri 20 Jun 14

Bill Bradbury says...

St.Helens lad, I note your comments over our town centre but I was in Manchester last night and note that some of the charges for car parks have reduced and for a Saturday £2 all day is probably their attempt to attract more from out of City shopping especially the Trafford and Lowry centres.

All town centres are suffering and I have commented before even the very rich and affluent Henley which I visit often has shops closed and a plethora of Charity shops and up market coffee shops in place! (No MacDonalds there?? or I have not found it) When I see a Pound shop there I will know the country is in trouble!!!??
St.Helens lad, I note your comments over our town centre but I was in Manchester last night and note that some of the charges for car parks have reduced and for a Saturday £2 all day is probably their attempt to attract more from out of City shopping especially the Trafford and Lowry centres. All town centres are suffering and I have commented before even the very rich and affluent Henley which I visit often has shops closed and a plethora of Charity shops and up market coffee shops in place! (No MacDonalds there?? or I have not found it) When I see a Pound shop there I will know the country is in trouble!!!?? Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 6

8:14am Sat 21 Jun 14

StHelens lad says...

Yes Bill that's is very true ALL town centres are suffering, but its to what degree. I was in Bury Wednesday last week, PACKED. More people on a Wednesday than you would see all week in St Helens. What's the difference? Good transport links which St Helens does not have. A vibrant market one of the best in the country, which again St Helens does not have. Its certainly not all sunshine and light in Bury, but its done a LOT better than St Helens as indeed have other nearby towns. Parking is a big issue in St Helens, there is nothing wrong with charging but to do so you have to have something in the town which makes it worth paying to park. There is nothing in St Helens, what sets the town apart from others? The town needs to re-invent its self it needs a unique selling point. Sorry but how can the council think that opening a huge drug users centre is regeneration? That is what I was told by a councillor. Madness really is.
Yes Bill that's is very true ALL town centres are suffering, but its to what degree. I was in Bury Wednesday last week, PACKED. More people on a Wednesday than you would see all week in St Helens. What's the difference? Good transport links which St Helens does not have. A vibrant market one of the best in the country, which again St Helens does not have. Its certainly not all sunshine and light in Bury, but its done a LOT better than St Helens as indeed have other nearby towns. Parking is a big issue in St Helens, there is nothing wrong with charging but to do so you have to have something in the town which makes it worth paying to park. There is nothing in St Helens, what sets the town apart from others? The town needs to re-invent its self it needs a unique selling point. Sorry but how can the council think that opening a huge drug users centre is regeneration? That is what I was told by a councillor. Madness really is. StHelens lad
  • Score: 6

3:14pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Sankey says...

Big stores moving out of st helens is difficult to do anything about and I feel there is no way back from that one. However there is no such excuse for the indoor market in st helens which is simply appalling
Big stores moving out of st helens is difficult to do anything about and I feel there is no way back from that one. However there is no such excuse for the indoor market in st helens which is simply appalling Sankey
  • Score: 0

2:54pm Tue 24 Jun 14

StHresident says...

Does anyone know why the bicycle lane from Pewfall to Carr Mill is being made wider? Is it in anticipation of the proposed "pointless" new railway station at Carr Mill which would be so near to St Helens Central and Garswood it's just plain stupidity.
Does anyone know why the bicycle lane from Pewfall to Carr Mill is being made wider? Is it in anticipation of the proposed "pointless" new railway station at Carr Mill which would be so near to St Helens Central and Garswood it's just plain stupidity. StHresident
  • Score: 5

2:42am Mon 7 Jul 14

djdexnelson says...

i would find the central/junction line very handy! it would allow direct services to southport, chester and north wales, a stop at langtree another at morrisons and a 3rd on road between junction and sutton park. carmill station would allow less folk to use bus to wigan and st helens but it would also bring tourists to carr mill and other pubs in the area. as for the addiction centre were me and my have a lot of support and fun nothing wrong wiv it! its crummy bars and rude people who run them getting folk beat up coz the bouncers , djs , owners are all drugged up and i sorry for the young girls who get abused once in side in these seedy vip groom rooms! the shops are another thing st thomas square my change that and the new sainburys!!
i would find the central/junction line very handy! it would allow direct services to southport, chester and north wales, a stop at langtree another at morrisons and a 3rd on road between junction and sutton park. carmill station would allow less folk to use bus to wigan and st helens but it would also bring tourists to carr mill and other pubs in the area. as for the addiction centre were me and my have a lot of support and fun nothing wrong wiv it! its crummy bars and rude people who run them getting folk beat up coz the bouncers , djs , owners are all drugged up and i sorry for the young girls who get abused once in side in these seedy vip groom rooms! the shops are another thing st thomas square my change that and the new sainburys!! djdexnelson
  • Score: -3

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