Council leader Barrie Grunewald says it was a "convincing win" for Labour in local elections

Barrie Grunewald at today's count

Barrie Grunewald at today's count

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THE Labour Party has increased its majority in the town hall after taking Newton and Sutton in the local elections.

The challenge  from UKIP failed to materialise with John Beirne attracting 667 votes compared to Labour’s Lisa Preston gaining 1470 in the Town Centre ward.

Beirne who made a return to politics with UKIP failed to show at the count.

Lib Dem leader Steph Topping came third in Sutton behind Labour and UKIP.

The deputy mayor Geoff Pearl (Lib Dem) claimed a convincing win in Eccleston with 1630 votes and Marie Rimmer, who will be one of the town’s parliamentary candidates next year gained 1693 in West Park.

She said: “I’m delighted. West Park is absolutely important to me. It’s my community. It’s where I live and where I shop.

“It’s everything to me and I shall continue to work as hard as a can for the community and the people.”

Speaking after all the results were in council leader Barrie Grunewald said: “It was very convincing and a good day for Labour.

“We fought some tough fights but it was never in doubt after with what we were picking up on the doorstep.

“It puts us in a strong position but we won’t rest on our laurels. But the electorate has spoken and I’m very happy about that.”

The results are as follows:

Parr: Labour 1444 UKIP 497 Con 95 Turnout 23.8

Thatto Heath: Labour 1510 Con 194 Lib Dem 85 Green140 UKIP 483 BNP 51 Turnout 25.8

West Park: Lab 1693 Con 220 Lib Dem 113 Green 192 UKIP 528 Turnout 31.9

Newton: Lab 1237 Lib Dem 978 Con 322 Green 216 Turnout 31.8

Sutton: Lab 1418 Lib Dem 545 Green 78 Con 145 UKIP 607

Town Centre: Con 131 UKIP 667 Green 107 BNP 87 Labour 1470

Bold: Con 179 Lab 1224 Green 139 Lib Dem 119 Turnout 28.7

Blackbrook: Lib Dem 143 Con 179 UKIP 626 Lab 1562 Turnout 30.4

Windle: Lab 1204 Con 501 Lib Dem 109 UKIP 498 Green 239 Turnout 31.8 per cent

Eccleston: Lab 762 Lib Dem 1630 Con 340 UKIP 520 Green 186 Turnout 37.1

Earlestown: Lab 1559 Lib Dem 183 Con 264 Green 253 Turnout 27.5

Billinge: Lab 1443 Con 433 Lib Dem 64 Green 157 UKIP 873 BNP 64 Turnout 34.3

Rainford: Lab 836 Green 188 TUSAC 117 Con 1312 Turnout 37.5

Moss Bank: Lab 1445 Lib Dem 263 Green 184 Con 234 UKIP 680 Turnout 33.4

Haydock: Lab 1542 Con 259 Green 128 TUSAC 51 UKIP 28.6

Rainhill: Lab 1612 Con 700 Green 211 UKIP 560 Turnout 34.4

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4:44pm Fri 23 May 14

The Mon says...

Why oh why o why do people STILL vote New Labour? Don't they ever open their minds let alone their eyes?
Why oh why o why do people STILL vote New Labour? Don't they ever open their minds let alone their eyes? The Mon
  • Score: 14

6:38pm Fri 23 May 14

Jon181 says...

It's a bit small time this local election stuff and some of candidates act worse than badly behaved primary school children.

These people expect the hard working families of St Helens to take them seriously??

Pathetic jibes at each other on Twitter, even punch up in the counting hall following trade offs on insults last time around.

This is not the case for all people involved... However it is very evident from some.

Many of them need to grow up...
It's a bit small time this local election stuff and some of candidates act worse than badly behaved primary school children. These people expect the hard working families of St Helens to take them seriously?? Pathetic jibes at each other on Twitter, even punch up in the counting hall following trade offs on insults last time around. This is not the case for all people involved... However it is very evident from some. Many of them need to grow up... Jon181
  • Score: 13

6:41pm Fri 23 May 14

keepitreel says...

could the leader of the council please inform the towns folk how much money has been spent on adverts and the like to secure votes in what is a LABOUR strong hold,and did any local media give free air space on their pages or in print,
could the leader of the council please inform the towns folk how much money has been spent on adverts and the like to secure votes in what is a LABOUR strong hold,and did any local media give free air space on their pages or in print, keepitreel
  • Score: 11

8:04pm Fri 23 May 14

barrie timpson says...

Thank God I live in Eccleston haha !!
Thank God I live in Eccleston haha !! barrie timpson
  • Score: 1

9:07pm Fri 23 May 14

Hughwithaview says...

It was never in doubt?

Of course it wasn't, because more than 65% of those eligible to vote did not bother so we have the more of the same old trite comments "the electorate has spoken"
Well Mr Grunewald, a small percentage of the electorate has spoken and you might as well realise it has nothing to do with anything you said on doorsteps. This backward town would vote for a house brick as long as it had a red rosette attached it.
It was never in doubt? Of course it wasn't, because more than 65% of those eligible to vote did not bother so we have the more of the same old trite comments "the electorate has spoken" Well Mr Grunewald, a small percentage of the electorate has spoken and you might as well realise it has nothing to do with anything you said on doorsteps. This backward town would vote for a house brick as long as it had a red rosette attached it. Hughwithaview
  • Score: 19

10:46pm Fri 23 May 14

trajan says...

Track suite Tracy and Charlie Chave plus too many zombie Labour voters as always.
Track suite Tracy and Charlie Chave plus too many zombie Labour voters as always. trajan
  • Score: 11

7:55am Sat 24 May 14

jumperr says...

Convince us now that the labour leader followed the local election promises, he can come on here just as easy and print them out to show us how they match up to what was said and what was done, and don't forget priorities first,we will see if he is so quick to do this has he is to jump on here now to talk about Thursday's results, well supported by the majority of eligible voters!?
Convince us now that the labour leader followed the local election promises, he can come on here just as easy and print them out to show us how they match up to what was said and what was done, and don't forget priorities first,we will see if he is so quick to do this has he is to jump on here now to talk about Thursday's results, well supported by the majority of eligible voters!? jumperr
  • Score: 5

9:08am Sat 24 May 14

Keva68 says...

I think Barrie better lay off the pies looking at that picture.
I think Barrie better lay off the pies looking at that picture. Keva68
  • Score: 19

10:08am Sat 24 May 14

jumperr says...

Everything seems to be upside down in this town labour dominates,and we get a lib dem voted in, in a ward that is Tory.
Everything seems to be upside down in this town labour dominates,and we get a lib dem voted in, in a ward that is Tory. jumperr
  • Score: -2

11:18am Sat 24 May 14

PM says...

keepitreel wrote:
could the leader of the council please inform the towns folk how much money has been spent on adverts and the like to secure votes in what is a LABOUR strong hold,and did any local media give free air space on their pages or in print,
political parties pay for their own adverts,the only free air time given was the massive amount of unwarranted airtime given to UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]keepitreel[/bold] wrote: could the leader of the council please inform the towns folk how much money has been spent on adverts and the like to secure votes in what is a LABOUR strong hold,and did any local media give free air space on their pages or in print,[/p][/quote]political parties pay for their own adverts,the only free air time given was the massive amount of unwarranted airtime given to UKIP. PM
  • Score: -5

11:20am Sat 24 May 14

PM says...

The Mon wrote:
Why oh why o why do people STILL vote New Labour? Don't they ever open their minds let alone their eyes?
What you mean is you can't understand why people don't vote the way you do? Aye,it's called democracy.
[quote][p][bold]The Mon[/bold] wrote: Why oh why o why do people STILL vote New Labour? Don't they ever open their minds let alone their eyes?[/p][/quote]What you mean is you can't understand why people don't vote the way you do? Aye,it's called democracy. PM
  • Score: -3

12:51pm Sat 24 May 14

Hughwithaview says...

Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change.

While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story.

As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about?
Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.
Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change. While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story. As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about? Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from. Hughwithaview
  • Score: 9

1:03pm Sat 24 May 14

kjd161 says...

Dismal turnouts. Such apathy is depressing. If you don't vote, don't moan is an old saying, but true, nevertheless.
Dismal turnouts. Such apathy is depressing. If you don't vote, don't moan is an old saying, but true, nevertheless. kjd161
  • Score: 6

5:49pm Sat 24 May 14

PM says...

Hughwithaview wrote:
Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change.

While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story.

As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about?
Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.
I didn't knock on any doors or speak to anyone about the election but I never thought the result was in any doubt whatsoever.I expected Labour to make the two gains they did and I knew Mr Beirne's sudden conversation from left of centre Lib Dems to far right UKIP wouldn't fool enough voters. As for 'cronies and guaranteed voters' , when will the opposition in St Helens learn that insulting the tens of thousands of Labour voters in the town gets them nowhere, year after year. Long may it continue.
[quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change. While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story. As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about? Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.[/p][/quote]I didn't knock on any doors or speak to anyone about the election but I never thought the result was in any doubt whatsoever.I expected Labour to make the two gains they did and I knew Mr Beirne's sudden conversation from left of centre Lib Dems to far right UKIP wouldn't fool enough voters. As for 'cronies and guaranteed voters' , when will the opposition in St Helens learn that insulting the tens of thousands of Labour voters in the town gets them nowhere, year after year. Long may it continue. PM
  • Score: -5

7:55pm Sat 24 May 14

keepitreel says...

PM wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change.

While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story.

As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about?
Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.
I didn't knock on any doors or speak to anyone about the election but I never thought the result was in any doubt whatsoever.I expected Labour to make the two gains they did and I knew Mr Beirne's sudden conversation from left of centre Lib Dems to far right UKIP wouldn't fool enough voters. As for 'cronies and guaranteed voters' , when will the opposition in St Helens learn that insulting the tens of thousands of Labour voters in the town gets them nowhere, year after year. Long may it continue.
could you tell me haw many who voted for LABOUR still think it is because they have to because they are lower class and have to fight the good fight of the past generations,this town i am sorry to say is ruled by this diktat,even the new to be throned (for 12-18 months before BARRY takes over) MP is well known to be living in the past glories,they spout their class war tales in the local LABOUR clubs over a cheap pint and when coal was king before that THATCHER closed t'pit and most havnt lifted a finger since content to take the pay off and live their lives on benefits,these people are too thick to know they are being used and like sheep do as their masters say,if you asked them a political question or why they voted for a party that has decimated this town the would have as much idea as the sole of the clog they still keep on the hearth,stuck in an ideal long gone.
[quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change. While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story. As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about? Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.[/p][/quote]I didn't knock on any doors or speak to anyone about the election but I never thought the result was in any doubt whatsoever.I expected Labour to make the two gains they did and I knew Mr Beirne's sudden conversation from left of centre Lib Dems to far right UKIP wouldn't fool enough voters. As for 'cronies and guaranteed voters' , when will the opposition in St Helens learn that insulting the tens of thousands of Labour voters in the town gets them nowhere, year after year. Long may it continue.[/p][/quote]could you tell me haw many who voted for LABOUR still think it is because they have to because they are lower class and have to fight the good fight of the past generations,this town i am sorry to say is ruled by this diktat,even the new to be throned (for 12-18 months before BARRY takes over) MP is well known to be living in the past glories,they spout their class war tales in the local LABOUR clubs over a cheap pint and when coal was king before that THATCHER closed t'pit and most havnt lifted a finger since content to take the pay off and live their lives on benefits,these people are too thick to know they are being used and like sheep do as their masters say,if you asked them a political question or why they voted for a party that has decimated this town the would have as much idea as the sole of the clog they still keep on the hearth,stuck in an ideal long gone. keepitreel
  • Score: 2

7:58pm Sat 24 May 14

keepitreel says...

Keva68 wrote:
I think Barrie better lay off the pies looking at that picture.
who said there is no such thing as a free lunch!!
[quote][p][bold]Keva68[/bold] wrote: I think Barrie better lay off the pies looking at that picture.[/p][/quote]who said there is no such thing as a free lunch!! keepitreel
  • Score: -4

9:02pm Sat 24 May 14

chasmcn says...

Hughwithaview wrote:
Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change.

While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story.

As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about?
Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.
Have you just moved into this area ? i seem to remember we had a different council five years ago which was in power for a number of years , which was the same coalition as the govt we have at this present time . That council was booted out in 2010 when Labour lost the general election it seems the people of St Helens are more aware of politics then your self .in getting rid of that council and in 2015 will vote out this govt.
[quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change. While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story. As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about? Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.[/p][/quote]Have you just moved into this area ? i seem to remember we had a different council five years ago which was in power for a number of years , which was the same coalition as the govt we have at this present time . That council was booted out in 2010 when Labour lost the general election it seems the people of St Helens are more aware of politics then your self .in getting rid of that council and in 2015 will vote out this govt. chasmcn
  • Score: 0

9:28pm Sat 24 May 14

barrie timpson says...

and it's done us a great deal of good, the town centre is flourishing......
and it's done us a great deal of good, the town centre is flourishing...... barrie timpson
  • Score: 5

9:30pm Sat 24 May 14

barrie timpson says...

In fact there were more shops open 5 years ago.....
In fact there were more shops open 5 years ago..... barrie timpson
  • Score: 0

9:41pm Sat 24 May 14

barrie timpson says...

In 2015 if Labour do win - how will they change things?

A 2 year freeze on bills that wont make bills go down? what happens after the 2 years?

How will they help the poor people? With another 15 billion cuts to the welfare system? They've voted through every benefit change - in fact Ed ordered his MP's not to vote against them.

I'm not convinced they would be any different to what we have now.
In 2015 if Labour do win - how will they change things? A 2 year freeze on bills that wont make bills go down? what happens after the 2 years? How will they help the poor people? With another 15 billion cuts to the welfare system? They've voted through every benefit change - in fact Ed ordered his MP's not to vote against them. I'm not convinced they would be any different to what we have now. barrie timpson
  • Score: -1

10:10pm Sat 24 May 14

Hughwithaview says...

chasmcn wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change.

While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story.

As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about?
Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.
Have you just moved into this area ? i seem to remember we had a different council five years ago which was in power for a number of years , which was the same coalition as the govt we have at this present time . That council was booted out in 2010 when Labour lost the general election it seems the people of St Helens are more aware of politics then your self .in getting rid of that council and in 2015 will vote out this govt.
No I have not just moved into the area, I can actually remember when there was some pride in this town. Your problem is that you see criticism of this Council as always being political. I do not say one party is any better than another but I do know that this town has not been served well by the complacency and laziness of the current regime. As for people who just blindly vote for the same party year in year out no matter what, I would not describe them as being politically aware neither would I expect the world to turn to Utopia when the coalition is replaced by a Labour Government. If you think that all the unpopular measures will be reversed, you are more delusional than you think.
[quote][p][bold]chasmcn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change. While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story. As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about? Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.[/p][/quote]Have you just moved into this area ? i seem to remember we had a different council five years ago which was in power for a number of years , which was the same coalition as the govt we have at this present time . That council was booted out in 2010 when Labour lost the general election it seems the people of St Helens are more aware of politics then your self .in getting rid of that council and in 2015 will vote out this govt.[/p][/quote]No I have not just moved into the area, I can actually remember when there was some pride in this town. Your problem is that you see criticism of this Council as always being political. I do not say one party is any better than another but I do know that this town has not been served well by the complacency and laziness of the current regime. As for people who just blindly vote for the same party year in year out no matter what, I would not describe them as being politically aware neither would I expect the world to turn to Utopia when the coalition is replaced by a Labour Government. If you think that all the unpopular measures will be reversed, you are more delusional than you think. Hughwithaview
  • Score: 6

10:42pm Sat 24 May 14

chasmcn says...

Hughwithaview wrote:
chasmcn wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change.

While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story.

As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about?
Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.
Have you just moved into this area ? i seem to remember we had a different council five years ago which was in power for a number of years , which was the same coalition as the govt we have at this present time . That council was booted out in 2010 when Labour lost the general election it seems the people of St Helens are more aware of politics then your self .in getting rid of that council and in 2015 will vote out this govt.
No I have not just moved into the area, I can actually remember when there was some pride in this town. Your problem is that you see criticism of this Council as always being political. I do not say one party is any better than another but I do know that this town has not been served well by the complacency and laziness of the current regime. As for people who just blindly vote for the same party year in year out no matter what, I would not describe them as being politically aware neither would I expect the world to turn to Utopia when the coalition is replaced by a Labour Government. If you think that all the unpopular measures will be reversed, you are more delusional than you think.
far from delusional but your comments "Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from." are you referring to council estates well these people are not going to vote tory or lib dem with the bedroom tax and i think the Labour party is going to repeal that bill..As for the turn out i agree very poor but it was also poor nationally 36% not just in St Helens people dont vote
[quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chasmcn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change. While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story. As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about? Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.[/p][/quote]Have you just moved into this area ? i seem to remember we had a different council five years ago which was in power for a number of years , which was the same coalition as the govt we have at this present time . That council was booted out in 2010 when Labour lost the general election it seems the people of St Helens are more aware of politics then your self .in getting rid of that council and in 2015 will vote out this govt.[/p][/quote]No I have not just moved into the area, I can actually remember when there was some pride in this town. Your problem is that you see criticism of this Council as always being political. I do not say one party is any better than another but I do know that this town has not been served well by the complacency and laziness of the current regime. As for people who just blindly vote for the same party year in year out no matter what, I would not describe them as being politically aware neither would I expect the world to turn to Utopia when the coalition is replaced by a Labour Government. If you think that all the unpopular measures will be reversed, you are more delusional than you think.[/p][/quote]far from delusional but your comments "Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from." are you referring to council estates well these people are not going to vote tory or lib dem with the bedroom tax and i think the Labour party is going to repeal that bill..As for the turn out i agree very poor but it was also poor nationally 36% not just in St Helens people dont vote chasmcn
  • Score: 8

10:12am Sun 25 May 14

jumperr says...

Exclusive,by political parties (they are going to listen this time ) we know they won't,we also know they never do what they say, so where are we
Exclusive,by political parties (they are going to listen this time ) we know they won't,we also know they never do what they say, so where are we jumperr
  • Score: 0

12:58pm Sun 25 May 14

PM says...

keepitreel wrote:
PM wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change.

While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story.

As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about?
Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.
I didn't knock on any doors or speak to anyone about the election but I never thought the result was in any doubt whatsoever.I expected Labour to make the two gains they did and I knew Mr Beirne's sudden conversation from left of centre Lib Dems to far right UKIP wouldn't fool enough voters. As for 'cronies and guaranteed voters' , when will the opposition in St Helens learn that insulting the tens of thousands of Labour voters in the town gets them nowhere, year after year. Long may it continue.
could you tell me haw many who voted for LABOUR still think it is because they have to because they are lower class and have to fight the good fight of the past generations,this town i am sorry to say is ruled by this diktat,even the new to be throned (for 12-18 months before BARRY takes over) MP is well known to be living in the past glories,they spout their class war tales in the local LABOUR clubs over a cheap pint and when coal was king before that THATCHER closed t'pit and most havnt lifted a finger since content to take the pay off and live their lives on benefits,these people are too thick to know they are being used and like sheep do as their masters say,if you asked them a political question or why they voted for a party that has decimated this town the would have as much idea as the sole of the clog they still keep on the hearth,stuck in an ideal long gone.
Or they may just believe in things like the minimum wage,proper funding for public services,the NHS, proper nursery provision etc etc and understand the Tories are likely to make their lives harder at the expense of Tory shires. Just a thought..
[quote][p][bold]keepitreel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change. While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story. As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about? Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.[/p][/quote]I didn't knock on any doors or speak to anyone about the election but I never thought the result was in any doubt whatsoever.I expected Labour to make the two gains they did and I knew Mr Beirne's sudden conversation from left of centre Lib Dems to far right UKIP wouldn't fool enough voters. As for 'cronies and guaranteed voters' , when will the opposition in St Helens learn that insulting the tens of thousands of Labour voters in the town gets them nowhere, year after year. Long may it continue.[/p][/quote]could you tell me haw many who voted for LABOUR still think it is because they have to because they are lower class and have to fight the good fight of the past generations,this town i am sorry to say is ruled by this diktat,even the new to be throned (for 12-18 months before BARRY takes over) MP is well known to be living in the past glories,they spout their class war tales in the local LABOUR clubs over a cheap pint and when coal was king before that THATCHER closed t'pit and most havnt lifted a finger since content to take the pay off and live their lives on benefits,these people are too thick to know they are being used and like sheep do as their masters say,if you asked them a political question or why they voted for a party that has decimated this town the would have as much idea as the sole of the clog they still keep on the hearth,stuck in an ideal long gone.[/p][/quote]Or they may just believe in things like the minimum wage,proper funding for public services,the NHS, proper nursery provision etc etc and understand the Tories are likely to make their lives harder at the expense of Tory shires. Just a thought.. PM
  • Score: 4

1:00pm Sun 25 May 14

PM says...

chasmcn wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change.

While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story.

As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about?
Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.
Have you just moved into this area ? i seem to remember we had a different council five years ago which was in power for a number of years , which was the same coalition as the govt we have at this present time . That council was booted out in 2010 when Labour lost the general election it seems the people of St Helens are more aware of politics then your self .in getting rid of that council and in 2015 will vote out this govt.
Aye, don't you remember the street parties and celebratory marches when the Tories and Lib Dems ran the council? There was no litter, no dog fouling, no one paid any council tax and your bin was emptied every single day.
[quote][p][bold]chasmcn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change. While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story. As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about? Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.[/p][/quote]Have you just moved into this area ? i seem to remember we had a different council five years ago which was in power for a number of years , which was the same coalition as the govt we have at this present time . That council was booted out in 2010 when Labour lost the general election it seems the people of St Helens are more aware of politics then your self .in getting rid of that council and in 2015 will vote out this govt.[/p][/quote]Aye, don't you remember the street parties and celebratory marches when the Tories and Lib Dems ran the council? There was no litter, no dog fouling, no one paid any council tax and your bin was emptied every single day. PM
  • Score: 5

1:02pm Sun 25 May 14

PM says...

barrie timpson wrote:
In fact there were more shops open 5 years ago.....
really? I seem to recall woolworths closing and being empty for a good while under the previous administration.
[quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: In fact there were more shops open 5 years ago.....[/p][/quote]really? I seem to recall woolworths closing and being empty for a good while under the previous administration. PM
  • Score: 8

1:11pm Sun 25 May 14

PM says...

chasmcn wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
chasmcn wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change.

While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story.

As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about?
Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.
Have you just moved into this area ? i seem to remember we had a different council five years ago which was in power for a number of years , which was the same coalition as the govt we have at this present time . That council was booted out in 2010 when Labour lost the general election it seems the people of St Helens are more aware of politics then your self .in getting rid of that council and in 2015 will vote out this govt.
No I have not just moved into the area, I can actually remember when there was some pride in this town. Your problem is that you see criticism of this Council as always being political. I do not say one party is any better than another but I do know that this town has not been served well by the complacency and laziness of the current regime. As for people who just blindly vote for the same party year in year out no matter what, I would not describe them as being politically aware neither would I expect the world to turn to Utopia when the coalition is replaced by a Labour Government. If you think that all the unpopular measures will be reversed, you are more delusional than you think.
far from delusional but your comments "Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from." are you referring to council estates well these people are not going to vote tory or lib dem with the bedroom tax and i think the Labour party is going to repeal that bill..As for the turn out i agree very poor but it was also poor nationally 36% not just in St Helens people dont vote
People are well aware of the difference between the Tories and Labour. In times of Tory rule the Labour vote rockets in places like St Helens as the real impact of a Tory government hits home,a cut here,a reduction in funding there,a longer hospital wait, impossible to get a doctor's appointment in the same week, food prices up because of VAT increase, people with disabled relatives finding less services available. Real differences to real people. You can spout all the 'they're all the same' guff you like but out there in the real world people know the difference.
[quote][p][bold]chasmcn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chasmcn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change. While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story. As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about? Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.[/p][/quote]Have you just moved into this area ? i seem to remember we had a different council five years ago which was in power for a number of years , which was the same coalition as the govt we have at this present time . That council was booted out in 2010 when Labour lost the general election it seems the people of St Helens are more aware of politics then your self .in getting rid of that council and in 2015 will vote out this govt.[/p][/quote]No I have not just moved into the area, I can actually remember when there was some pride in this town. Your problem is that you see criticism of this Council as always being political. I do not say one party is any better than another but I do know that this town has not been served well by the complacency and laziness of the current regime. As for people who just blindly vote for the same party year in year out no matter what, I would not describe them as being politically aware neither would I expect the world to turn to Utopia when the coalition is replaced by a Labour Government. If you think that all the unpopular measures will be reversed, you are more delusional than you think.[/p][/quote]far from delusional but your comments "Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from." are you referring to council estates well these people are not going to vote tory or lib dem with the bedroom tax and i think the Labour party is going to repeal that bill..As for the turn out i agree very poor but it was also poor nationally 36% not just in St Helens people dont vote[/p][/quote]People are well aware of the difference between the Tories and Labour. In times of Tory rule the Labour vote rockets in places like St Helens as the real impact of a Tory government hits home,a cut here,a reduction in funding there,a longer hospital wait, impossible to get a doctor's appointment in the same week, food prices up because of VAT increase, people with disabled relatives finding less services available. Real differences to real people. You can spout all the 'they're all the same' guff you like but out there in the real world people know the difference. PM
  • Score: 5

1:37pm Sun 25 May 14

Sankey says...

PM labour are the party of mass immigration wages have fallen due to oversupply of manual labour, housing schools etc swamped by over population and demand. That is the biggest issue in people's lives and why many in the labour heartlands are deserting labour for UKIP.

Not my words labour front and back benchers.
PM labour are the party of mass immigration wages have fallen due to oversupply of manual labour, housing schools etc swamped by over population and demand. That is the biggest issue in people's lives and why many in the labour heartlands are deserting labour for UKIP. Not my words labour front and back benchers. Sankey
  • Score: -2

3:26pm Sun 25 May 14

rosered1 says...

So from the whole of St Helens, 21961 people voted Labour yet it was enough to get us stuck with them again. Lets be honest and say the majority of those that voted for this most corrupt of parties are on benefits and know that they are going to be the only ones better off with these councillors in place.
We really do need a party that now actually stands for the workers because Labour has not done so for many years.
Have we truly become a town where the benefit claimants run the asylum? Sadly yes.
So from the whole of St Helens, 21961 people voted Labour yet it was enough to get us stuck with them again. Lets be honest and say the majority of those that voted for this most corrupt of parties are on benefits and know that they are going to be the only ones better off with these councillors in place. We really do need a party that now actually stands for the workers because Labour has not done so for many years. Have we truly become a town where the benefit claimants run the asylum? Sadly yes. rosered1
  • Score: 2

3:34pm Sun 25 May 14

Hughwithaview says...

PM - you really are living on another planet - certainly not the "real world"
"New Labour" is not so far away from the Tories so do not kid yourself that a Labour Government in 2015 will be like a "Fairy Godmother" to the working classes. There will still be unpopular measures which will hit "ordinary" people and they will blame it on "the mess" left behind by the outgoing lot just as all governments before them have done.

We will just have to agree to disagree on practically everything and leave it at that.
PM - you really are living on another planet - certainly not the "real world" "New Labour" is not so far away from the Tories so do not kid yourself that a Labour Government in 2015 will be like a "Fairy Godmother" to the working classes. There will still be unpopular measures which will hit "ordinary" people and they will blame it on "the mess" left behind by the outgoing lot just as all governments before them have done. We will just have to agree to disagree on practically everything and leave it at that. Hughwithaview
  • Score: -1

3:47pm Sun 25 May 14

Hughwithaview says...

chasmcn wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
chasmcn wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change.

While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story.

As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about?
Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.
Have you just moved into this area ? i seem to remember we had a different council five years ago which was in power for a number of years , which was the same coalition as the govt we have at this present time . That council was booted out in 2010 when Labour lost the general election it seems the people of St Helens are more aware of politics then your self .in getting rid of that council and in 2015 will vote out this govt.
No I have not just moved into the area, I can actually remember when there was some pride in this town. Your problem is that you see criticism of this Council as always being political. I do not say one party is any better than another but I do know that this town has not been served well by the complacency and laziness of the current regime. As for people who just blindly vote for the same party year in year out no matter what, I would not describe them as being politically aware neither would I expect the world to turn to Utopia when the coalition is replaced by a Labour Government. If you think that all the unpopular measures will be reversed, you are more delusional than you think.
far from delusional but your comments "Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from." are you referring to council estates well these people are not going to vote tory or lib dem with the bedroom tax and i think the Labour party is going to repeal that bill..As for the turn out i agree very poor but it was also poor nationally 36% not just in St Helens people dont vote
I was not necessarily referring to Council Estates at all but your supposition that people who live on them are all on benefits and have been affected by the Bedroom Tax is verging on stereotypical prejudice. As for abolishing this tax, I think we will have to wait and see because all parties are guilty of promising this and that and then failing to deliver. Thanks for the healthy debate though - you are entitled to your views just as I am entitled to mine
[quote][p][bold]chasmcn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chasmcn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change. While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story. As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about? Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.[/p][/quote]Have you just moved into this area ? i seem to remember we had a different council five years ago which was in power for a number of years , which was the same coalition as the govt we have at this present time . That council was booted out in 2010 when Labour lost the general election it seems the people of St Helens are more aware of politics then your self .in getting rid of that council and in 2015 will vote out this govt.[/p][/quote]No I have not just moved into the area, I can actually remember when there was some pride in this town. Your problem is that you see criticism of this Council as always being political. I do not say one party is any better than another but I do know that this town has not been served well by the complacency and laziness of the current regime. As for people who just blindly vote for the same party year in year out no matter what, I would not describe them as being politically aware neither would I expect the world to turn to Utopia when the coalition is replaced by a Labour Government. If you think that all the unpopular measures will be reversed, you are more delusional than you think.[/p][/quote]far from delusional but your comments "Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from." are you referring to council estates well these people are not going to vote tory or lib dem with the bedroom tax and i think the Labour party is going to repeal that bill..As for the turn out i agree very poor but it was also poor nationally 36% not just in St Helens people dont vote[/p][/quote]I was not necessarily referring to Council Estates at all but your supposition that people who live on them are all on benefits and have been affected by the Bedroom Tax is verging on stereotypical prejudice. As for abolishing this tax, I think we will have to wait and see because all parties are guilty of promising this and that and then failing to deliver. Thanks for the healthy debate though - you are entitled to your views just as I am entitled to mine Hughwithaview
  • Score: -4

4:33pm Sun 25 May 14

barrie timpson says...

Looks like recent success might not be enough to save our Ed.

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/local-elction-
results-2014-ed-mili
band-is-damaged-good
s-says-shadow-minist
er-9432143.html

Anyway , I'm due at the airport in a couple of hours and I'll be offline for a few days. Enjoy the holidays and PM , I love you too xx
Looks like recent success might not be enough to save our Ed. http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/local-elction- results-2014-ed-mili band-is-damaged-good s-says-shadow-minist er-9432143.html Anyway , I'm due at the airport in a couple of hours and I'll be offline for a few days. Enjoy the holidays and PM , I love you too xx barrie timpson
  • Score: 0

5:36pm Sun 25 May 14

Sankey says...

The bedroom tax is not a tax but a reduction in housing benefit. The name came out by the labour focus groups to appeal to the benefit vote. And it's worked a treat.
The bedroom tax is not a tax but a reduction in housing benefit. The name came out by the labour focus groups to appeal to the benefit vote. And it's worked a treat. Sankey
  • Score: -1

6:16pm Sun 25 May 14

jumperr says...

On the St. Helens .gov site there is a report the (scam awareness advert ) is a scam when it is we will do this and then gain something and does not supply
On the St. Helens .gov site there is a report the (scam awareness advert ) is a scam when it is we will do this and then gain something and does not supply jumperr
  • Score: 2

6:21pm Sun 25 May 14

chasmcn says...

rosered1 wrote:
So from the whole of St Helens, 21961 people voted Labour yet it was enough to get us stuck with them again. Lets be honest and say the majority of those that voted for this most corrupt of parties are on benefits and know that they are going to be the only ones better off with these councillors in place.
We really do need a party that now actually stands for the workers because Labour has not done so for many years.
Have we truly become a town where the benefit claimants run the asylum? Sadly yes.
Wow this is a cracker of a comment seeing as people who work on low pay claim benefits in tax credits and housing benefit to pay their greedy BLT landlord even self employed people claim benefits in working tax credits the old age pension is a benefit so what ,bet you voted UKIP
[quote][p][bold]rosered1[/bold] wrote: So from the whole of St Helens, 21961 people voted Labour yet it was enough to get us stuck with them again. Lets be honest and say the majority of those that voted for this most corrupt of parties are on benefits and know that they are going to be the only ones better off with these councillors in place. We really do need a party that now actually stands for the workers because Labour has not done so for many years. Have we truly become a town where the benefit claimants run the asylum? Sadly yes.[/p][/quote]Wow this is a cracker of a comment seeing as people who work on low pay claim benefits in tax credits and housing benefit to pay their greedy BLT landlord even self employed people claim benefits in working tax credits the old age pension is a benefit so what ,bet you voted UKIP chasmcn
  • Score: 6

7:56pm Sun 25 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

The Mon wrote:
Why oh why o why do people STILL vote New Labour? Don't they ever open their minds let alone their eyes?
Please catch-up it was Old Tory not New Labour. They just carried on Tory policies.
[quote][p][bold]The Mon[/bold] wrote: Why oh why o why do people STILL vote New Labour? Don't they ever open their minds let alone their eyes?[/p][/quote]Please catch-up it was Old Tory not New Labour. They just carried on Tory policies. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 5

7:58pm Sun 25 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

barrie timpson wrote:
Thank God I live in Eccleston haha !!
I thought so by your Tory comments of the past. However I can't be too critical, I grew up there for 25 years.
[quote][p][bold]barrie timpson[/bold] wrote: Thank God I live in Eccleston haha !![/p][/quote]I thought so by your Tory comments of the past. However I can't be too critical, I grew up there for 25 years. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 3

7:59pm Sun 25 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

trajan wrote:
Track suite Tracy and Charlie Chave plus too many zombie Labour voters as always.
No I just go out in my pyjamas. Please keep up with fashion.
[quote][p][bold]trajan[/bold] wrote: Track suite Tracy and Charlie Chave plus too many zombie Labour voters as always.[/p][/quote]No I just go out in my pyjamas. Please keep up with fashion. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 6

8:01pm Sun 25 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Keva68 wrote:
I think Barrie better lay off the pies looking at that picture.
Don't agree especially when you can eat Pimmies and Burchalls pies. St.He lens will be down the pan if they ever stopped baking them.
[quote][p][bold]Keva68[/bold] wrote: I think Barrie better lay off the pies looking at that picture.[/p][/quote]Don't agree especially when you can eat Pimmies and Burchalls pies. St.He lens will be down the pan if they ever stopped baking them. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 5

8:02pm Sun 25 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

jumperr wrote:
Everything seems to be upside down in this town labour dominates,and we get a lib dem voted in, in a ward that is Tory.
At least one person may see some sense.
[quote][p][bold]jumperr[/bold] wrote: Everything seems to be upside down in this town labour dominates,and we get a lib dem voted in, in a ward that is Tory.[/p][/quote]At least one person may see some sense. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 4

8:04pm Sun 25 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

PM wrote:
The Mon wrote:
Why oh why o why do people STILL vote New Labour? Don't they ever open their minds let alone their eyes?
What you mean is you can't understand why people don't vote the way you do? Aye,it's called democracy.
I agree.
[quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Mon[/bold] wrote: Why oh why o why do people STILL vote New Labour? Don't they ever open their minds let alone their eyes?[/p][/quote]What you mean is you can't understand why people don't vote the way you do? Aye,it's called democracy.[/p][/quote]I agree. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 5

8:09pm Sun 25 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

PM wrote:
Hughwithaview wrote:
Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change.

While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story.

As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about?
Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.
I didn't knock on any doors or speak to anyone about the election but I never thought the result was in any doubt whatsoever.I expected Labour to make the two gains they did and I knew Mr Beirne's sudden conversation from left of centre Lib Dems to far right UKIP wouldn't fool enough voters. As for 'cronies and guaranteed voters' , when will the opposition in St Helens learn that insulting the tens of thousands of Labour voters in the town gets them nowhere, year after year. Long may it continue.
I agree even more with you PM. We now have to stop insulting UKIP. Better to concentrate on their policies such as jumping NHS queues if you have money and their energy policy just to mention two. I was not aware when I was canvassing I was just knocking on the doorsteps of my cronies.
[quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: Democracy is dead and deeply buried in this Town - St Helens is a closed shop as far as anything other than a Labour vote is concerned. That is why so many stay away from the polling stations but the irony is, unless they stand up and be counted, nothing will ever change. While the heavyweights (no pun intended) Grunewald and Rimmer are patting themselves on the back yet again and gluttoning on the excesses of their privelidged positions, this Town is sliding further and further into the mire. Every week there are complaints and grumbles about the performance of this Council yet when election time comes along it's the same old story. As far as Grunewald's comments that "it was never in doubt from what we were hearing on the doorsteps" what doorsteps was he talking about? Obviously his cronies and his guaranteed voters - we all know which areas these come from.[/p][/quote]I didn't knock on any doors or speak to anyone about the election but I never thought the result was in any doubt whatsoever.I expected Labour to make the two gains they did and I knew Mr Beirne's sudden conversation from left of centre Lib Dems to far right UKIP wouldn't fool enough voters. As for 'cronies and guaranteed voters' , when will the opposition in St Helens learn that insulting the tens of thousands of Labour voters in the town gets them nowhere, year after year. Long may it continue.[/p][/quote]I agree even more with you PM. We now have to stop insulting UKIP. Better to concentrate on their policies such as jumping NHS queues if you have money and their energy policy just to mention two. I was not aware when I was canvassing I was just knocking on the doorsteps of my cronies. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 5

8:14pm Sun 25 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

rosered1 wrote:
So from the whole of St Helens, 21961 people voted Labour yet it was enough to get us stuck with them again. Lets be honest and say the majority of those that voted for this most corrupt of parties are on benefits and know that they are going to be the only ones better off with these councillors in place.
We really do need a party that now actually stands for the workers because Labour has not done so for many years.
Have we truly become a town where the benefit claimants run the asylum? Sadly yes.
So you have firm evidence that only benefit claimants voted for Labour? I know of at least 5 people who are not on benefit and voted Labour. I thought Government policy was to get them all back in work via the Job-seekers Allowance? (The clue lies in the title!)
[quote][p][bold]rosered1[/bold] wrote: So from the whole of St Helens, 21961 people voted Labour yet it was enough to get us stuck with them again. Lets be honest and say the majority of those that voted for this most corrupt of parties are on benefits and know that they are going to be the only ones better off with these councillors in place. We really do need a party that now actually stands for the workers because Labour has not done so for many years. Have we truly become a town where the benefit claimants run the asylum? Sadly yes.[/p][/quote]So you have firm evidence that only benefit claimants voted for Labour? I know of at least 5 people who are not on benefit and voted Labour. I thought Government policy was to get them all back in work via the Job-seekers Allowance? (The clue lies in the title!) Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 4

10:18pm Sun 25 May 14

chasmcn says...

Sankey wrote:
The bedroom tax is not a tax but a reduction in housing benefit. The name came out by the labour focus groups to appeal to the benefit vote. And it's worked a treat.
When the Tories introduced the bedroom tax to save £300 million from the poorest people in the UK in that same month they gave the 13000 millionaires paying tax in the UK a tax cut of a £100,000 a year or a loss to the treasury of £130 million .
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: The bedroom tax is not a tax but a reduction in housing benefit. The name came out by the labour focus groups to appeal to the benefit vote. And it's worked a treat.[/p][/quote]When the Tories introduced the bedroom tax to save £300 million from the poorest people in the UK in that same month they gave the 13000 millionaires paying tax in the UK a tax cut of a £100,000 a year or a loss to the treasury of £130 million . chasmcn
  • Score: 9

10:52pm Sun 25 May 14

rosered1 says...

chasmcn wrote:
rosered1 wrote:
So from the whole of St Helens, 21961 people voted Labour yet it was enough to get us stuck with them again. Lets be honest and say the majority of those that voted for this most corrupt of parties are on benefits and know that they are going to be the only ones better off with these councillors in place.
We really do need a party that now actually stands for the workers because Labour has not done so for many years.
Have we truly become a town where the benefit claimants run the asylum? Sadly yes.
Wow this is a cracker of a comment seeing as people who work on low pay claim benefits in tax credits and housing benefit to pay their greedy BLT landlord even self employed people claim benefits in working tax credits the old age pension is a benefit so what ,bet you voted UKIP
Did I say all voters?? No, I said the majority. Tax credits are hardly the benefits to which I was referring as you are probably well aware. Still you obviously voted Labour so you are possibly stung by the negative comments on here for your choice of political party.
And the old age pension is hardly a benefit. They get less than most laughingly called "job seekers" who have never sought a job in their lives.
[quote][p][bold]chasmcn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rosered1[/bold] wrote: So from the whole of St Helens, 21961 people voted Labour yet it was enough to get us stuck with them again. Lets be honest and say the majority of those that voted for this most corrupt of parties are on benefits and know that they are going to be the only ones better off with these councillors in place. We really do need a party that now actually stands for the workers because Labour has not done so for many years. Have we truly become a town where the benefit claimants run the asylum? Sadly yes.[/p][/quote]Wow this is a cracker of a comment seeing as people who work on low pay claim benefits in tax credits and housing benefit to pay their greedy BLT landlord even self employed people claim benefits in working tax credits the old age pension is a benefit so what ,bet you voted UKIP[/p][/quote]Did I say all voters?? No, I said the majority. Tax credits are hardly the benefits to which I was referring as you are probably well aware. Still you obviously voted Labour so you are possibly stung by the negative comments on here for your choice of political party. And the old age pension is hardly a benefit. They get less than most laughingly called "job seekers" who have never sought a job in their lives. rosered1
  • Score: -5

10:54pm Sun 25 May 14

rosered1 says...

Bill Bradbury wrote:
rosered1 wrote:
So from the whole of St Helens, 21961 people voted Labour yet it was enough to get us stuck with them again. Lets be honest and say the majority of those that voted for this most corrupt of parties are on benefits and know that they are going to be the only ones better off with these councillors in place.
We really do need a party that now actually stands for the workers because Labour has not done so for many years.
Have we truly become a town where the benefit claimants run the asylum? Sadly yes.
So you have firm evidence that only benefit claimants voted for Labour? I know of at least 5 people who are not on benefit and voted Labour. I thought Government policy was to get them all back in work via the Job-seekers Allowance? (The clue lies in the title!)
Once again, I said "the majority" not all of the Labour voters.
Tut tut Mr Bradbury, you need to read the post fully and not jump to your friends defence so quickly!
[quote][p][bold]Bill Bradbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rosered1[/bold] wrote: So from the whole of St Helens, 21961 people voted Labour yet it was enough to get us stuck with them again. Lets be honest and say the majority of those that voted for this most corrupt of parties are on benefits and know that they are going to be the only ones better off with these councillors in place. We really do need a party that now actually stands for the workers because Labour has not done so for many years. Have we truly become a town where the benefit claimants run the asylum? Sadly yes.[/p][/quote]So you have firm evidence that only benefit claimants voted for Labour? I know of at least 5 people who are not on benefit and voted Labour. I thought Government policy was to get them all back in work via the Job-seekers Allowance? (The clue lies in the title!)[/p][/quote]Once again, I said "the majority" not all of the Labour voters. Tut tut Mr Bradbury, you need to read the post fully and not jump to your friends defence so quickly! rosered1
  • Score: 0

9:35am Mon 26 May 14

Sankey says...

Extraordinary result last night British politics is changing and not before time.
Extraordinary result last night British politics is changing and not before time. Sankey
  • Score: 0

10:30am Mon 26 May 14

jumperr says...

It always gets pointed out about people voting what there parents voted for,mainly detrimental has though we are donkeys, and if that is the case just look at the top of our system they all follow their families from (the yr dot) so what is the same for one is the same for another it might not be agreeable but that s what happens,look at the bbc nepotism I would say ?
It always gets pointed out about people voting what there parents voted for,mainly detrimental has though we are donkeys, and if that is the case just look at the top of our system they all follow their families from (the yr dot) so what is the same for one is the same for another it might not be agreeable but that s what happens,look at the bbc nepotism I would say ? jumperr
  • Score: 0

2:22pm Mon 26 May 14

Hughwithaview says...

I suggest Bill B and PM start their own political regime. Here's a few suggestions for names

"Let's Fiddle While Rome Burns Party"
"The Crisis What Crisis? Party"
"The Grunewald Appreciation Society Party"
"The I want A Dinosaur For My MP Party"

and that is the last I am saying on the subject - honest!
I suggest Bill B and PM start their own political regime. Here's a few suggestions for names "Let's Fiddle While Rome Burns Party" "The Crisis What Crisis? Party" "The Grunewald Appreciation Society Party" "The I want A Dinosaur For My MP Party" and that is the last I am saying on the subject - honest! Hughwithaview
  • Score: 5

3:09pm Tue 27 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Hughwithaview wrote:
I suggest Bill B and PM start their own political regime. Here's a few suggestions for names

"Let's Fiddle While Rome Burns Party"
"The Crisis What Crisis? Party"
"The Grunewald Appreciation Society Party"
"The I want A Dinosaur For My MP Party"

and that is the last I am saying on the subject - honest!
Good suggestion. I could get elected on any of those. No dafter than voting Ukip the "bosses" party to get rid of EU employment law. Nice one Hugh! Will you be my agent?
[quote][p][bold]Hughwithaview[/bold] wrote: I suggest Bill B and PM start their own political regime. Here's a few suggestions for names "Let's Fiddle While Rome Burns Party" "The Crisis What Crisis? Party" "The Grunewald Appreciation Society Party" "The I want A Dinosaur For My MP Party" and that is the last I am saying on the subject - honest![/p][/quote]Good suggestion. I could get elected on any of those. No dafter than voting Ukip the "bosses" party to get rid of EU employment law. Nice one Hugh! Will you be my agent? Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 1

6:45pm Tue 27 May 14

Sankey says...

Bill Bradbury I don't understand the getting rid of employment law surely one of the major advantages of pulling out of the EU is once again we are free to make our own laws and not have them imposed on us by faceless Brussels bureaucrats. A future British government would be free to change the laws to whatever the British people wanted.

That's the whole point.
Bill Bradbury I don't understand the getting rid of employment law surely one of the major advantages of pulling out of the EU is once again we are free to make our own laws and not have them imposed on us by faceless Brussels bureaucrats. A future British government would be free to change the laws to whatever the British people wanted. That's the whole point. Sankey
  • Score: 0

9:18pm Tue 27 May 14

jumperr says...

It wouldn't be so bad if we were given the points of the EU to look at ourselves instead it's good it's no good by self servers
It wouldn't be so bad if we were given the points of the EU to look at ourselves instead it's good it's no good by self servers jumperr
  • Score: 0

9:20pm Tue 27 May 14

jumperr says...

How often do our meps say anything to us even rarer than the vote for me and I won't do anything brigrade
How often do our meps say anything to us even rarer than the vote for me and I won't do anything brigrade jumperr
  • Score: 0

10:36pm Tue 27 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Sankey wrote:
Bill Bradbury I don't understand the getting rid of employment law surely one of the major advantages of pulling out of the EU is once again we are free to make our own laws and not have them imposed on us by faceless Brussels bureaucrats. A future British government would be free to change the laws to whatever the British people wanted.

That's the whole point.
I wish history of the Tories was so in making our own employment laws but safeguards has been the result of EU law. I know from your past comments you see bosses free to pay and employ workers according to their own whims hence why I have often written (and you ignore) it is they that employ immigrants via agencies (who take their cut) and pay less than minimum wage.
'I have just returned from 10 days in Norfolk and seen for myself the shacks in the middle of fields where they live and also witnessed the resentment of locals why they feel they are being taken over. UKIP posters were all over the place and I did not see one poster of any from the main parties and I covered 500 miles all over.
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: Bill Bradbury I don't understand the getting rid of employment law surely one of the major advantages of pulling out of the EU is once again we are free to make our own laws and not have them imposed on us by faceless Brussels bureaucrats. A future British government would be free to change the laws to whatever the British people wanted. That's the whole point.[/p][/quote]I wish history of the Tories was so in making our own employment laws but safeguards has been the result of EU law. I know from your past comments you see bosses free to pay and employ workers according to their own whims hence why I have often written (and you ignore) it is they that employ immigrants via agencies (who take their cut) and pay less than minimum wage. 'I have just returned from 10 days in Norfolk and seen for myself the shacks in the middle of fields where they live and also witnessed the resentment of locals why they feel they are being taken over. UKIP posters were all over the place and I did not see one poster of any from the main parties and I covered 500 miles all over. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 0

7:25am Wed 28 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

PS within 5 minutes of me pressing the send button I heard a Tory Minister on Newsnight (repeated on the Today programme) that they wanted to get rid of the working time directive..
As a matter of interest I wonder if all the farmers would want out of the EU. The end of their subsidies???
PS within 5 minutes of me pressing the send button I heard a Tory Minister on Newsnight (repeated on the Today programme) that they wanted to get rid of the working time directive.. As a matter of interest I wonder if all the farmers would want out of the EU. The end of their subsidies??? Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 1

8:09am Wed 28 May 14

jumperr says...

The Tories are that they've been in the driving seat for so long but it is always in reverse coalition with lib dems that tells you
The Tories are that they've been in the driving seat for so long but it is always in reverse coalition with lib dems that tells you jumperr
  • Score: 0

10:13am Wed 28 May 14

Sankey says...

Bill Bradbury missing the point I made you are assuming if we pulled out of the EU we would always vote Tory and always side with the bosses I am struggling to understand that logic.

My point is we would be free to make our own laws if the British people wanted strong labour laws we would have them or any other law we wanted instead of having them imposed on us.

That's the point it's called democracy I believe
Bill Bradbury missing the point I made you are assuming if we pulled out of the EU we would always vote Tory and always side with the bosses I am struggling to understand that logic. My point is we would be free to make our own laws if the British people wanted strong labour laws we would have them or any other law we wanted instead of having them imposed on us. That's the point it's called democracy I believe Sankey
  • Score: 0

12:17pm Wed 28 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Sankey wrote:
Bill Bradbury missing the point I made you are assuming if we pulled out of the EU we would always vote Tory and always side with the bosses I am struggling to understand that logic.

My point is we would be free to make our own laws if the British people wanted strong labour laws we would have them or any other law we wanted instead of having them imposed on us.

That's the point it's called democracy I believe
Strong Labour laws? Not by a Tory Government!
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: Bill Bradbury missing the point I made you are assuming if we pulled out of the EU we would always vote Tory and always side with the bosses I am struggling to understand that logic. My point is we would be free to make our own laws if the British people wanted strong labour laws we would have them or any other law we wanted instead of having them imposed on us. That's the point it's called democracy I believe[/p][/quote]Strong Labour laws? Not by a Tory Government! Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 0

12:48pm Wed 28 May 14

jumperr says...

It's laws to give people the right to say you can't treat us like a piece of meat and just throw us away,the Tories have their laws between them and the majority of people don't vote labour in the town because they never do what they say, but they won't vote Tory
It's laws to give people the right to say you can't treat us like a piece of meat and just throw us away,the Tories have their laws between them and the majority of people don't vote labour in the town because they never do what they say, but they won't vote Tory jumperr
  • Score: 1

3:03pm Wed 28 May 14

Sankey says...

Again missing the point bill but I suspect you have got it just typical labour close ears when it's something you don't want to hear or can't answer

A future labour government or any government could enact the laws the British people want not what Brussels imposes
Again missing the point bill but I suspect you have got it just typical labour close ears when it's something you don't want to hear or can't answer A future labour government or any government could enact the laws the British people want not what Brussels imposes Sankey
  • Score: 2

4:32pm Wed 28 May 14

kjd161 says...

Sankey wrote:
Again missing the point bill but I suspect you have got it just typical labour close ears when it's something you don't want to hear or can't answer

A future labour government or any government could enact the laws the British people want not what Brussels imposes
What? Like Tebbit's laws?
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: Again missing the point bill but I suspect you have got it just typical labour close ears when it's something you don't want to hear or can't answer A future labour government or any government could enact the laws the British people want not what Brussels imposes[/p][/quote]What? Like Tebbit's laws? kjd161
  • Score: 2

9:37am Thu 29 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Sankey to what are my ears closed? I try to put forward a view and answer your comments and in fact I am on record of currently supporting some of Cameron's statements on Europe. I have written to dave Watts to say that Miliband ought to agree with Cameron over if Labour did get into power they would re-negotiate and then give the people the choice. I am for staying in and I do not fear that during the referendum all 3 major parties could state a perfectly reasonable case for staying in. We will always have the Euro-sceptics and Little Englanders who still think we are a major power.

Otherwise Miliband will have to put up with the distraction at PMQT of the jibe do you not trust the people to give their verdict? Are you for a referendum or are you not? Yes or no, when we should be concentrating on the economy and how it is affecting families. UKIP will come unstuck when they have to produce policies as a Government. They will ditch many of their outlandish ones such as queue jumping at the NHS and all taxi drivers should wear ties.
Sankey to what are my ears closed? I try to put forward a view and answer your comments and in fact I am on record of currently supporting some of Cameron's statements on Europe. I have written to dave Watts to say that Miliband ought to agree with Cameron over if Labour did get into power they would re-negotiate and then give the people the choice. I am for staying in and I do not fear that during the referendum all 3 major parties could state a perfectly reasonable case for staying in. We will always have the Euro-sceptics and Little Englanders who still think we are a major power. Otherwise Miliband will have to put up with the distraction at PMQT of the jibe do you not trust the people to give their verdict? Are you for a referendum or are you not? Yes or no, when we should be concentrating on the economy and how it is affecting families. UKIP will come unstuck when they have to produce policies as a Government. They will ditch many of their outlandish ones such as queue jumping at the NHS and all taxi drivers should wear ties. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 0

12:26pm Thu 29 May 14

Keva68 says...

Bill Bradbury wrote:
Keva68 wrote:
I think Barrie better lay off the pies looking at that picture.
Don't agree especially when you can eat Pimmies and Burchalls pies. St.He lens will be down the pan if they ever stopped baking them.
Pimmies And Burchalls will also go down the pan if Baz stops eating them seems like a catch 22.
At least we can expect a relaxation in the licensing laws now we know Labour councillors like a drink or 2 or could it be 1 to many:-)
[quote][p][bold]Bill Bradbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keva68[/bold] wrote: I think Barrie better lay off the pies looking at that picture.[/p][/quote]Don't agree especially when you can eat Pimmies and Burchalls pies. St.He lens will be down the pan if they ever stopped baking them.[/p][/quote]Pimmies And Burchalls will also go down the pan if Baz stops eating them seems like a catch 22. At least we can expect a relaxation in the licensing laws now we know Labour councillors like a drink or 2 or could it be 1 to many:-) Keva68
  • Score: 9

12:35pm Thu 29 May 14

Sankey says...

Bill you are still ignoring my point which is that if we pulled out of the EU we would win back control over our legislature

We could enact the laws the British people want

Your last post was irrelevant to my point
Bill you are still ignoring my point which is that if we pulled out of the EU we would win back control over our legislature We could enact the laws the British people want Your last post was irrelevant to my point Sankey
  • Score: 1

11:29pm Thu 29 May 14

Bill Bradbury says...

75% of laws from the EU many are subject to Government approval. Don't swallow the lies (and posters) of UKIP. France ignores most of them! Stick to Cameron at least they have a policy more than I can say of UKIP.

If it's racist and looks like a racists, it is.
75% of laws from the EU many are subject to Government approval. Don't swallow the lies (and posters) of UKIP. France ignores most of them! Stick to Cameron at least they have a policy more than I can say of UKIP. If it's racist and looks like a racists, it is. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: -2

8:55am Fri 30 May 14

Sankey says...

Bill Bradbury wrote:
75% of laws from the EU many are subject to Government approval. Don't swallow the lies (and posters) of UKIP. France ignores most of them! Stick to Cameron at least they have a policy more than I can say of UKIP.

If it's racist and looks like a racists, it is.
Taking your facts as read (although this matter is subject to debate) but as read what about the twenty five per cent ? I would like the UK to make ALL it's laws.

As for the racism slur you carry on as was proved in the election the more the left wing media the bbc and assisted lefties make up these slurs the more people vote for UKIP (including labour supporters who have been ignored by the party that has taken them fir granted since Blair days) you carry on you are doing a great job.
[quote][p][bold]Bill Bradbury[/bold] wrote: 75% of laws from the EU many are subject to Government approval. Don't swallow the lies (and posters) of UKIP. France ignores most of them! Stick to Cameron at least they have a policy more than I can say of UKIP. If it's racist and looks like a racists, it is.[/p][/quote]Taking your facts as read (although this matter is subject to debate) but as read what about the twenty five per cent ? I would like the UK to make ALL it's laws. As for the racism slur you carry on as was proved in the election the more the left wing media the bbc and assisted lefties make up these slurs the more people vote for UKIP (including labour supporters who have been ignored by the party that has taken them fir granted since Blair days) you carry on you are doing a great job. Sankey
  • Score: 1

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