Joe Anderson 'threatening to pull Liverpool out' of city region super council

St Helens Star: Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson is understood to be seeking legal advice about pulling the city out Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson is understood to be seeking legal advice about pulling the city out

THE region's new “super council” could scarcely have got off to a less promising start.

Less than 24 hours after the new combined authority's first meeting, Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson is understood to be seeking legal advice about pulling the city out.

The Mayor accused other town hall leaders of playing “clandestine toy town politics” after they voted Wirral Council’s leader Phil Davies to be chairman of the new Liverpool City Region Combined Authority.

But the vote for chairman was cast before Mayor Anderson and Sefton boss Cllr Peter Dowd had arrived.

It is understood Cllr Dowd was planning to nominate Mayor Anderson to be chairman, although they still would have been out-voted by four to two.

In an email to colleagues leaked to the Liverpool Echo, the clearly furious Mayor said that he and the city had been treated in a "totally disrespectful" manner.

He wrote: “They said (and by ‘they’ I mean Wirral, St Helens, Halton and Knowsley) that I was too big a personality and Liverpool was too strong and therefore they would oppose me being chair of the CA [combined authority] or Liverpool chairing the CA.

“I think the clear message that was sent out this morning - and the behaviour of leaders - was not one I would have hoped for.

“In my view people are more interested in their own personal ambitions than that of the City Region, and it was not the best start I would have hoped for.

“This is such a missed opportunity; instead of thinking and behaving like leaders of a big global city the City Region leaders have engaged in a dysfunctional debate akin to toy town level politics and ambitions.

“I am considering options at the moment and seeking legal advice and will discuss this further at full council in two weeks.

“However, my own view is I can’t sign up to something which disadvantages our city.”

Councillor Davies told the Star's sister paper - the Wirral Globe - it was important the combined authority moved forward with a united front.

He said: “The fact is I was elected as chair of the new combined authority at the inaugural meeting and from my point of view now, it is essential that everybody, all of the leaders, unite around the agenda in terms of growth and creating jobs which is at the heart of what we want to do and that we move together in that direction.

“I don’t think it does anybody any favours if we are not seen to be pursuing a united front.

“I hope Joe Anderson will reflect on the situation and work in partnership with me and the other leaders to see how we can get people, particularly our young people who are unemployed, back into the labour market.”

Councillor Davies confirmed Mayor Anderson had been in the building since 10am.

He said: “The meeting was scheduled to start at 11am, there were around 50 members of the public there and the meeting was called to order and we were asked for nominations.

“I can’t do anything if Joe Anderson isn’t in the room.

"The meeting started at the scheduled time and he turned up late.”

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10:55am Wed 2 Apr 14

jumperr says...

Come on Joe democracy if your gonna preach it ?
Come on Joe democracy if your gonna preach it ? jumperr
  • Score: 9

11:02am Wed 2 Apr 14

mattmxl says...

And the mask slips! Surely now the motives behind the Halton, Knowsley, Liverpool, St Helens, Sefton and Wirral Combined Authority are clear? As if they weren't before!

Sounds like the "Toy Town" politician in this case is Joe Anderson himself! Most everyone else managed to turn up on time.
And the mask slips! Surely now the motives behind the Halton, Knowsley, Liverpool, St Helens, Sefton and Wirral Combined Authority are clear? As if they weren't before! Sounds like the "Toy Town" politician in this case is Joe Anderson himself! Most everyone else managed to turn up on time. mattmxl
  • Score: 12

12:55pm Wed 2 Apr 14

mikeperry109 says...

The term "Ferrets in a sack" comes to mind. Even had Anderson turned up on time he would have been outvoted - they call it democracy, Joe!
How much extra will council tax payers have to stump up for this shambles?
The term "Ferrets in a sack" comes to mind. Even had Anderson turned up on time he would have been outvoted - they call it democracy, Joe! How much extra will council tax payers have to stump up for this shambles? mikeperry109
  • Score: 13

1:08pm Wed 2 Apr 14

suttonboy says...

Absolute farce. The first of a pile of reasons why we should never have been signed up to this in the first place.
Absolute farce. The first of a pile of reasons why we should never have been signed up to this in the first place. suttonboy
  • Score: 7

1:08pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Bill Bradbury says...

mikeperry109 wrote:
The term "Ferrets in a sack" comes to mind. Even had Anderson turned up on time he would have been outvoted - they call it democracy, Joe! How much extra will council tax payers have to stump up for this shambles?
For once Mike we totally agree. Anderson thought he was going to be another high profile Mayor of London-type. Being Chair is irrelevant it's the idea of working together and getting things done for this area. If it is going to factionalize into each area's agendas then they should forget it. Ego's should be a no go area.
[quote][p][bold]mikeperry109[/bold] wrote: The term "Ferrets in a sack" comes to mind. Even had Anderson turned up on time he would have been outvoted - they call it democracy, Joe! How much extra will council tax payers have to stump up for this shambles?[/p][/quote]For once Mike we totally agree. Anderson thought he was going to be another high profile Mayor of London-type. Being Chair is irrelevant it's the idea of working together and getting things done for this area. If it is going to factionalize into each area's agendas then they should forget it. Ego's should be a no go area. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 14

1:13pm Wed 2 Apr 14

mikeperry109 says...

Bill Bradbury wrote:
mikeperry109 wrote:
The term "Ferrets in a sack" comes to mind. Even had Anderson turned up on time he would have been outvoted - they call it democracy, Joe! How much extra will council tax payers have to stump up for this shambles?
For once Mike we totally agree. Anderson thought he was going to be another high profile Mayor of London-type. Being Chair is irrelevant it's the idea of working together and getting things done for this area. If it is going to factionalize into each area's agendas then they should forget it. Ego's should be a no go area.
I am sure we have agreed on more than this one thing in the past, Bill - PFI, all women shortlists, the illegal war in Iraq, for instance. I will send you a link for the new Left Unity Party backed by one of my heroes, Ken Loach.
[quote][p][bold]Bill Bradbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeperry109[/bold] wrote: The term "Ferrets in a sack" comes to mind. Even had Anderson turned up on time he would have been outvoted - they call it democracy, Joe! How much extra will council tax payers have to stump up for this shambles?[/p][/quote]For once Mike we totally agree. Anderson thought he was going to be another high profile Mayor of London-type. Being Chair is irrelevant it's the idea of working together and getting things done for this area. If it is going to factionalize into each area's agendas then they should forget it. Ego's should be a no go area.[/p][/quote]I am sure we have agreed on more than this one thing in the past, Bill - PFI, all women shortlists, the illegal war in Iraq, for instance. I will send you a link for the new Left Unity Party backed by one of my heroes, Ken Loach. mikeperry109
  • Score: -3

1:16pm Wed 2 Apr 14

mikeperry109 says...

For Bill and anyone else who is depressed with the current political scene, have a look at this link:
http://www.theguardi
an.com/commentisfree
/2014/mar/27/ken-loa
ch-labour-failed-lef
t-new-party
For Bill and anyone else who is depressed with the current political scene, have a look at this link: http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2014/mar/27/ken-loa ch-labour-failed-lef t-new-party mikeperry109
  • Score: -2

1:37pm Wed 2 Apr 14

jumperr says...

Ego has cost us all, except them who have it,shame on them,
Ego has cost us all, except them who have it,shame on them, jumperr
  • Score: 3

2:04pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Mike agree, often read Ken Loach about welfare which echoes my often comments on this site that Labour often forgets who put it their and just carry on Tory policies-not New Labour but old Tory. Also you can't accuse the Tories of forgetting who put them their as bankers, and the City would agree, especially the give-away post office debacle. They DO look after their own.

However that is why I have often said people like yourself and Ken Loach are better IN the party than on the fringe shouting yah-boo. The Labour leadership needs to start having some policies that benefit the whole country and families not just the City. I live in hope!!
eg I was told at a conference last week that Barclays gave their shareholders £thousands in dividends (who they are supposed to represent) but gave their bankers £millions in bonuses!! That tells you a lot for whom the banks are run.
Mike agree, often read Ken Loach about welfare which echoes my often comments on this site that Labour often forgets who put it their and just carry on Tory policies-not New Labour but old Tory. Also you can't accuse the Tories of forgetting who put them their as bankers, and the City would agree, especially the give-away post office debacle. They DO look after their own. However that is why I have often said people like yourself and Ken Loach are better IN the party than on the fringe shouting yah-boo. The Labour leadership needs to start having some policies that benefit the whole country and families not just the City. I live in hope!! eg I was told at a conference last week that Barclays gave their shareholders £thousands in dividends (who they are supposed to represent) but gave their bankers £millions in bonuses!! That tells you a lot for whom the banks are run. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 5

2:06pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Bill Bradbury says...

tut-tut there not their. I am forgetting my grandma or is it grammar/spelling?
tut-tut there not their. I am forgetting my grandma or is it grammar/spelling? Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 4

2:10pm Wed 2 Apr 14

jumperr says...

The working class has expanded to us and them now, no middlings
The working class has expanded to us and them now, no middlings jumperr
  • Score: 0

3:36pm Wed 2 Apr 14

barrie timpson says...

We all agree for once ! Mayor Anderson is doing himself no favours here.

In fact so transparent and petty he is being , I actually believe he should step down. I'm firmly with Mr Grunewald on this.
We all agree for once ! Mayor Anderson is doing himself no favours here. In fact so transparent and petty he is being , I actually believe he should step down. I'm firmly with Mr Grunewald on this. barrie timpson
  • Score: 9

3:47pm Wed 2 Apr 14

mikeperry109 says...

Wasn't Anderson elected without a referendum? Seems like he despises democracy.
Wasn't Anderson elected without a referendum? Seems like he despises democracy. mikeperry109
  • Score: 6

5:15pm Wed 2 Apr 14

keepitreel says...

good on them,it is obvious ANDERSON had no intentions of giving other regions anything apart from the crumbs from the table,his only motive in all of this was for him to get more power over ANY money coming to the region and dishing it out to LIVERPOOL on the pretext it would drip down to the other partners,they should bite the bullet and let him leave and take LIVERPOOL with him so long as not one penny of grants go to him and we should look at pulling out of the tax we pay to run mersey travel etc WARRINGTON has its own transport so should we.
good on them,it is obvious ANDERSON had no intentions of giving other regions anything apart from the crumbs from the table,his only motive in all of this was for him to get more power over ANY money coming to the region and dishing it out to LIVERPOOL on the pretext it would drip down to the other partners,they should bite the bullet and let him leave and take LIVERPOOL with him so long as not one penny of grants go to him and we should look at pulling out of the tax we pay to run mersey travel etc WARRINGTON has its own transport so should we. keepitreel
  • Score: 9

5:39pm Wed 2 Apr 14

jumperr says...

The more you think of it the more pathetic these so called I'm doing it for you brigade are!
The more you think of it the more pathetic these so called I'm doing it for you brigade are! jumperr
  • Score: 7

6:42pm Wed 2 Apr 14

mikeperry109 says...

Bill Bradbury wrote:
Mike agree, often read Ken Loach about welfare which echoes my often comments on this site that Labour often forgets who put it their and just carry on Tory policies-not New Labour but old Tory. Also you can't accuse the Tories of forgetting who put them their as bankers, and the City would agree, especially the give-away post office debacle. They DO look after their own.

However that is why I have often said people like yourself and Ken Loach are better IN the party than on the fringe shouting yah-boo. The Labour leadership needs to start having some policies that benefit the whole country and families not just the City. I live in hope!!
eg I was told at a conference last week that Barclays gave their shareholders £thousands in dividends (who they are supposed to represent) but gave their bankers £millions in bonuses!! That tells you a lot for whom the banks are run.
Bill, did you see the pathetic display by Miliband at PMQs today? The man is an embarrassment and Labour will never win an election with him as their leader.
[quote][p][bold]Bill Bradbury[/bold] wrote: Mike agree, often read Ken Loach about welfare which echoes my often comments on this site that Labour often forgets who put it their and just carry on Tory policies-not New Labour but old Tory. Also you can't accuse the Tories of forgetting who put them their as bankers, and the City would agree, especially the give-away post office debacle. They DO look after their own. However that is why I have often said people like yourself and Ken Loach are better IN the party than on the fringe shouting yah-boo. The Labour leadership needs to start having some policies that benefit the whole country and families not just the City. I live in hope!! eg I was told at a conference last week that Barclays gave their shareholders £thousands in dividends (who they are supposed to represent) but gave their bankers £millions in bonuses!! That tells you a lot for whom the banks are run.[/p][/quote]Bill, did you see the pathetic display by Miliband at PMQs today? The man is an embarrassment and Labour will never win an election with him as their leader. mikeperry109
  • Score: 6

9:19pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Sankey says...

It could not have been more pathetic than his response to the budget when the only thing he could splutter out was that they were Etonians having just sat through the whole speech for the last hour.

Nothing at all in his locker
It could not have been more pathetic than his response to the budget when the only thing he could splutter out was that they were Etonians having just sat through the whole speech for the last hour. Nothing at all in his locker Sankey
  • Score: 3

10:05pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Les Teeling says...

well well well they say power corrupts the sight of these so called Labour Socialist running around playing politics while Merseyside burns so full of their own egos we should all send a message to these overpaid bloated pompous idiots you where elected by the people you are suppose to represent us pathetic does not do it justice the glee in Grunwold voice when informing Radio Merseyside listeners how they had come to the choice of the Wirral Councillor however the person who wins the "dummy out of the pram " award is defo Mayor Anderson
well well well they say power corrupts the sight of these so called Labour Socialist running around playing politics while Merseyside burns so full of their own egos we should all send a message to these overpaid bloated pompous idiots you where elected by the people you are suppose to represent us pathetic does not do it justice the glee in Grunwold voice when informing Radio Merseyside listeners how they had come to the choice of the Wirral Councillor however the person who wins the "dummy out of the pram " award is defo Mayor Anderson Les Teeling
  • Score: 8

11:29pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Mike PMQT I gave up watching Punch & Judy years ago. On reflection the original made more sense.
But a year is a long time in politics and I await the great give-away prior to the next election then surprise surprise once elected there will be another crisis which will involve further cut backs and sacrifice but not the bankers and the City slickers aided by the tories. It's called democracy or fooling all of the people all of the time.
As for Miliband we will see what Socialist policies he comes up with. Labour Education policy is a mystery with a shadow who hasn't a clue- 5 years MOT for teachers I ask you!! with Performance management a daily/yearly programme. Academies are a disaster not one of our better ideas nor the silver bullet, ceased on with a vengeance by the tories in their privatisation programme.
Mike PMQT I gave up watching Punch & Judy years ago. On reflection the original made more sense. But a year is a long time in politics and I await the great give-away prior to the next election then surprise surprise once elected there will be another crisis which will involve further cut backs and sacrifice but not the bankers and the City slickers aided by the tories. It's called democracy or fooling all of the people all of the time. As for Miliband we will see what Socialist policies he comes up with. Labour Education policy is a mystery with a shadow who hasn't a clue- 5 years MOT for teachers I ask you!! with Performance management a daily/yearly programme. Academies are a disaster not one of our better ideas nor the silver bullet, ceased on with a vengeance by the tories in their privatisation programme. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 6

11:30pm Wed 2 Apr 14

jumperr says...

That's the problem cannot scrutinise any of them,don't stick to any policies, to say vote them out dosn't work they know it won't and can't happen and the 'voters 'do hence mayhem for everybody bar them
That's the problem cannot scrutinise any of them,don't stick to any policies, to say vote them out dosn't work they know it won't and can't happen and the 'voters 'do hence mayhem for everybody bar them jumperr
  • Score: 0

12:28am Thu 3 Apr 14

Geoff911 says...

Toys are out the pram then, "I`m taking my ball home" St. Helens should have never got involved in this, there is a reason its called "Liverpool City Region Combined Authority" why not "Merseyside Region Combined Authority" or "North West Region Combined Authority" Merseyside has been used for years now is it a dirty word now, they want Liverpool to be the main name, that where your problems start as they are going to be in charge of the rest of us.
Get out of it and keep "St. Helens" as St. Helens
Toys are out the pram then, "I`m taking my ball home" St. Helens should have never got involved in this, there is a reason its called "Liverpool City Region Combined Authority" why not "Merseyside Region Combined Authority" or "North West Region Combined Authority" Merseyside has been used for years now is it a dirty word now, they want Liverpool to be the main name, that where your problems start as they are going to be in charge of the rest of us. Get out of it and keep "St. Helens" as St. Helens Geoff911
  • Score: 11

9:57am Thu 3 Apr 14

Sankey says...

Taking such an important vote without Liverpool or Sefton at best discourteous at worst at attempt at backstab in the absence (we have been here before in St. Helens). The fact they turned up late is no excuse and clearly internal political games are being played.

I fear this will cause a lot of damage to the city region idea and set it back some way. It has no chance of developing without the co- operation of Liverpool and Sefton and relationships matter especially in the murky world of local government.

They also could not have sent out a worse message to central government if they tried
Taking such an important vote without Liverpool or Sefton at best discourteous at worst at attempt at backstab in the absence (we have been here before in St. Helens). The fact they turned up late is no excuse and clearly internal political games are being played. I fear this will cause a lot of damage to the city region idea and set it back some way. It has no chance of developing without the co- operation of Liverpool and Sefton and relationships matter especially in the murky world of local government. They also could not have sent out a worse message to central government if they tried Sankey
  • Score: 2

10:30am Thu 3 Apr 14

mikeperry109 says...

Sankey wrote:
Taking such an important vote without Liverpool or Sefton at best discourteous at worst at attempt at backstab in the absence (we have been here before in St. Helens). The fact they turned up late is no excuse and clearly internal political games are being played.

I fear this will cause a lot of damage to the city region idea and set it back some way. It has no chance of developing without the co- operation of Liverpool and Sefton and relationships matter especially in the murky world of local government.

They also could not have sent out a worse message to central government if they tried
Couldn't agree more, Sankey
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: Taking such an important vote without Liverpool or Sefton at best discourteous at worst at attempt at backstab in the absence (we have been here before in St. Helens). The fact they turned up late is no excuse and clearly internal political games are being played. I fear this will cause a lot of damage to the city region idea and set it back some way. It has no chance of developing without the co- operation of Liverpool and Sefton and relationships matter especially in the murky world of local government. They also could not have sent out a worse message to central government if they tried[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, Sankey mikeperry109
  • Score: 2

11:32am Thu 3 Apr 14

jumperr says...

Get it out the way now so they know where they stand, maybe a "blessing" in disguise.
Get it out the way now so they know where they stand, maybe a "blessing" in disguise. jumperr
  • Score: 2

12:02pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Sankey says...

jumperr wrote:
Get it out the way now so they know where they stand, maybe a "blessing" in disguise.
Well if where they stand is without Liverpool and Sefton then good luck with that
[quote][p][bold]jumperr[/bold] wrote: Get it out the way now so they know where they stand, maybe a "blessing" in disguise.[/p][/quote]Well if where they stand is without Liverpool and Sefton then good luck with that Sankey
  • Score: 0

8:47pm Thu 3 Apr 14

And Justice For All says...

Completely juvenile outburst from Anderson. Seems him and his little pal couldn't get it together well enough to be in the very building the meeting is in an hour before the meeting convened, but yet he was late!? Has Joe's Colon been that clogged by all those business/council meetings then? No excuses here, you're late then its a case of T.S. You can't spit your dummy and take your ball home after throwing your toys out of the pram (enough cliches there?) Joe, I suggest you get on with it, or get out.
Completely juvenile outburst from Anderson. Seems him and his little pal couldn't get it together well enough to be in the very building the meeting is in an hour before the meeting convened, but yet he was late!? Has Joe's Colon been that clogged by all those business/council meetings then? No excuses here, you're late then its a case of T.S. You can't spit your dummy and take your ball home after throwing your toys out of the pram (enough cliches there?) Joe, I suggest you get on with it, or get out. And Justice For All
  • Score: 12

10:03pm Thu 3 Apr 14

aldishopper42 says...

How about they just call the whole thing off. This 'super council' has become a complete farce.
How about they just call the whole thing off. This 'super council' has become a complete farce. aldishopper42
  • Score: 6

1:38pm Fri 4 Apr 14

jumperr says...

It's a pity they are not as good at getting things right, as they are at I'm not happy at not getting what I think i am.kick him out how can it work now with that type of mindset.
It's a pity they are not as good at getting things right, as they are at I'm not happy at not getting what I think i am.kick him out how can it work now with that type of mindset. jumperr
  • Score: 3

5:10pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Mick Rooney says...

Obviously there were prior meetings to discuss the matter and Anderson knew he. was to be outvoted by 4-2. In a fit of pique, he made sure he was late for the vote and would be able to complain of back- stabbing. Joe is not to keen on voting unless he will be the winner.Once again, Merseyside lives up to an image!
Obviously there were prior meetings to discuss the matter and Anderson knew he. was to be outvoted by 4-2. In a fit of pique, he made sure he was late for the vote and would be able to complain of back- stabbing. Joe is not to keen on voting unless he will be the winner.Once again, Merseyside lives up to an image! Mick Rooney
  • Score: 3

11:45am Sat 5 Apr 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Joe forgets he is there to serve the people and not serve himself. Turning up late for such an important meeting is not only discourteous (I am so important they will have to wait) but tactically stupid. If he wanted his hat in the ring should have had his name proposed and seconded.

On another thread on this subject I referred to a Times article on Manchester's consortia of 10 Coucils. He would do well to read it.
Joe forgets he is there to serve the people and not serve himself. Turning up late for such an important meeting is not only discourteous (I am so important they will have to wait) but tactically stupid. If he wanted his hat in the ring should have had his name proposed and seconded. On another thread on this subject I referred to a Times article on Manchester's consortia of 10 Coucils. He would do well to read it. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 4

11:59am Sat 5 Apr 14

Sankey says...

Many so called serving the people of St. Helens would do well to heed the first sentence on your post bill
Many so called serving the people of St. Helens would do well to heed the first sentence on your post bill Sankey
  • Score: 3

6:24pm Sat 5 Apr 14

keepitreel says...

according to cllr GRUNWALD on the radio cllr ANDERSON and DOYLE were told the meeting was about to start but they said they would not be coming to the meeting,the vote was then taken,this was after a meeting in the morning were cllr ANDERSON was told he would not be the chair,heated words were exchanged by cllrs DOYLE (who stormed out of the pre-meeting) cllr ANDERSON left the pre-meeting to talk to cllr DOYLE and a few phone calls were made presumably to LIVERPOOLS legal team to see if LIVERPOOL could pull out of the combined authority,cllr ANDERSON only made his sarcastic statement after 48 hours when he found out he was unable to change the vote or pull LIVERPOOL out,cllr DOYLE stated on the radio NO ONE told them the meeting was taking place or that they would be voting straight away and he felt it had been a stitch up,SOMEONE is telling lies and the whole thing is a farce.
according to cllr GRUNWALD on the radio cllr ANDERSON and DOYLE were told the meeting was about to start but they said they would not be coming to the meeting,the vote was then taken,this was after a meeting in the morning were cllr ANDERSON was told he would not be the chair,heated words were exchanged by cllrs DOYLE (who stormed out of the pre-meeting) cllr ANDERSON left the pre-meeting to talk to cllr DOYLE and a few phone calls were made presumably to LIVERPOOLS legal team to see if LIVERPOOL could pull out of the combined authority,cllr ANDERSON only made his sarcastic statement after 48 hours when he found out he was unable to change the vote or pull LIVERPOOL out,cllr DOYLE stated on the radio NO ONE told them the meeting was taking place or that they would be voting straight away and he felt it had been a stitch up,SOMEONE is telling lies and the whole thing is a farce. keepitreel
  • Score: 6

9:54am Sun 6 Apr 14

mikeashworth says...

I dont know about "toy town" maybe thomas the tank engine, wonder who the fat controller is?
I dont know about "toy town" maybe thomas the tank engine, wonder who the fat controller is? mikeashworth
  • Score: 4

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