Seven St Helens schools to close during NUT strike

Seven St Helens schools to close during NUT strike

Seven St Helens schools to close during NUT strike

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SEVEN schools across St Helens will close tomorrow (Wednesday) due to a strike by the National Union of Teachers over workloads and changes to pay.

Those due to shut include Newton Primary, Garswood Primary, Rainford Brook Lodge Primary, Rainford C of E Primary, St Ann's C of E Primary, St John Vianney Primary and Penkford.

The strike action is likely to cause disruption for working parents whose children attend those schools.

A St Helens Council spokeswoman said all the other schools in the borough would be open. However, some teachers may still walkout at those schools.

Recent figures published by the Government show that teachers in primary schools are working 60 hours a week, claim the National Union of Teachers.

The NUT believes that this is too much and that it is one of the reasons why so many young teachers are leaving the profession.

Avis Gilmore, north west regional secretary of the National Union of Teachers, said they "deeply regret the disruption caused".

She added: “Teachers’ levels of workload are intolerable, their national pay framework has been dismantled so that in every school head teachers and governors have to worry about developing a pay system instead of focussing on teaching and learning and they are being asked to work to the age of 68 or even later for a full pension.

“The NUT recognises that other workers are also having their pensions squeezed and their pay frameworks dismantled.

"We believe that this is wrong too – everyone should be entitled to a decent standard of living now and in retirement.”

The strike follows a series of regional strikes in the autumn where members from the NUT were joined with teachers from fellow teaching union, NASUWT.

Members of the NASUWT will not be taking part in the walk out on Wednesday.

A Department for Education spokesman told the Guardian newspaper it had agreed to union requests for further talks and that meetings had been taking place weekly.

The spokesman said: "Despite this constructive engagement with their concerns, the NUT is taking action that will disrupt parents' lives, hold back children's education and damage the reputation of the profession."

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1:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Sankey says...

Hurrah

Another day another teachers strike
Hurrah Another day another teachers strike Sankey
  • Score: 0

1:08pm Tue 25 Mar 14

me1980 says...

Will they get fined £50 for an unapproved absence?
Will they get fined £50 for an unapproved absence? me1980
  • Score: 15

3:39pm Tue 25 Mar 14

itme says...

Teachers choose this profession for 2 very important reasons........July and August.
Teachers choose this profession for 2 very important reasons........July and August. itme
  • Score: 1

3:44pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Keva68 says...

me1980 wrote:
Will they get fined £50 for an unapproved absence?
Correct does this mean we can now take them on term time holidays.
[quote][p][bold]me1980[/bold] wrote: Will they get fined £50 for an unapproved absence?[/p][/quote]Correct does this mean we can now take them on term time holidays. Keva68
  • Score: 13

7:28pm Tue 25 Mar 14

susan23 says...

Friend of mine was told that her daughter could not have Monday off school to go to a family event, as her education was too important to miss the day off school. Obviously lessons on a Wednesday are not as important, as due to the strike her year will not be in school that day.
Friend of mine was told that her daughter could not have Monday off school to go to a family event, as her education was too important to miss the day off school. Obviously lessons on a Wednesday are not as important, as due to the strike her year will not be in school that day. susan23
  • Score: 14

9:22pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Sankey says...

susan23 wrote:
Friend of mine was told that her daughter could not have Monday off school to go to a family event, as her education was too important to miss the day off school. Obviously lessons on a Wednesday are not as important, as due to the strike her year will not be in school that day.
You couldn't make it up could you ?
[quote][p][bold]susan23[/bold] wrote: Friend of mine was told that her daughter could not have Monday off school to go to a family event, as her education was too important to miss the day off school. Obviously lessons on a Wednesday are not as important, as due to the strike her year will not be in school that day.[/p][/quote]You couldn't make it up could you ? Sankey
  • Score: 3

1:50pm Wed 26 Mar 14

MrBenggo says...

Everyone has the right to withdraw their labour,except the police.
Everyone has the right to withdraw their labour,except the police. MrBenggo
  • Score: 1

2:43pm Wed 26 Mar 14

And Justice For All says...

This is a last resort on the Teachers part. Dont tell me you;d let someone shaft you left right and centre and you'd just accept it. They work damned hard and yes they work during the hoidays, lessons dont just happen in realtime people!
It's so annoying to hear people about having to arrange childcare due to the strikes. School isnt a childcare facility you know,
How about we SUPPORT the people who are there to educate our children (includng standing up for yourself against unfairness) instead of slating them.
I'm not a teacher but I certainly stand by them in their right to take action.
Although I do agree about the family term time absences. A ridiculous exercise.
This is a last resort on the Teachers part. Dont tell me you;d let someone shaft you left right and centre and you'd just accept it. They work damned hard and yes they work during the hoidays, lessons dont just happen in realtime people! It's so annoying to hear people about having to arrange childcare due to the strikes. School isnt a childcare facility you know, How about we SUPPORT the people who are there to educate our children (includng standing up for yourself against unfairness) instead of slating them. I'm not a teacher but I certainly stand by them in their right to take action. Although I do agree about the family term time absences. A ridiculous exercise. And Justice For All
  • Score: 9

3:45pm Wed 26 Mar 14

rollingrock says...

Firstly - teachers loose much more than £50 by striking - they are not paid for the day off! Secondly - it is not the teachers who decide to 'fine' pupils but the government policies. Striking is 'meant' to cause problems! Teachers are simply standing up for their rights to better conditions and pay for the role that they do. I really think that people need to check their facts first before making comments! Each pupils absence will be considered on an individual basis and is GOVERNMENT policy not the schools rules! I dont think any teachers would want to fine parents in that way! A teacher looses much more money by striking. In a free society, everyone has the right to stand up for their rights. If you dont like this, then move to Korea.
Firstly - teachers loose much more than £50 by striking - they are not paid for the day off! Secondly - it is not the teachers who decide to 'fine' pupils but the government policies. Striking is 'meant' to cause problems! Teachers are simply standing up for their rights to better conditions and pay for the role that they do. I really think that people need to check their facts first before making comments! Each pupils absence will be considered on an individual basis and is GOVERNMENT policy not the schools rules! I dont think any teachers would want to fine parents in that way! A teacher looses much more money by striking. In a free society, everyone has the right to stand up for their rights. If you dont like this, then move to Korea. rollingrock
  • Score: 10

4:15pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Sankey says...

Teaching used to be a respectable profession seen by the public like a bank manager or solicitor.

Now they are seen as lazy self serving wasters who have destroyed the British education system and generations of kids who leave school barely able to do the basics like read write and arithmetic.

We are told how hard the teachers work as if hard work is limited to their profession or that they are victims are expecting to put effort in. Their pay and pensions and leave are beyond the dreams of almost the entire british workforce at that management sector e.g middle management.

The strike has no public support whatsoever nor will the government (or should it) budge an inch for this rabble

If the teachers feel hard done to then resign and get a job as a nurse a sales person with targets or a middle manager in a transport depot say and tell your boss you think you are working too hard. Good luck with that teachers.

Will they do that ? What do you think ?

I am sure vitriol will be made by teachers the spouses of teachers and retired teachers but the public are sick to the back teeth of whining by people who have no idea how well off they are.

You don't like the job ?

Then for gods sake leave and let somebody else take over
Teaching used to be a respectable profession seen by the public like a bank manager or solicitor. Now they are seen as lazy self serving wasters who have destroyed the British education system and generations of kids who leave school barely able to do the basics like read write and arithmetic. We are told how hard the teachers work as if hard work is limited to their profession or that they are victims are expecting to put effort in. Their pay and pensions and leave are beyond the dreams of almost the entire british workforce at that management sector e.g middle management. The strike has no public support whatsoever nor will the government (or should it) budge an inch for this rabble If the teachers feel hard done to then resign and get a job as a nurse a sales person with targets or a middle manager in a transport depot say and tell your boss you think you are working too hard. Good luck with that teachers. Will they do that ? What do you think ? I am sure vitriol will be made by teachers the spouses of teachers and retired teachers but the public are sick to the back teeth of whining by people who have no idea how well off they are. You don't like the job ? Then for gods sake leave and let somebody else take over Sankey
  • Score: -2

6:11pm Wed 26 Mar 14

susan23 says...

whilst I am well aware that it is not the teachers that impose fines etc. I am pointing out the irony of a school sending that message for one day and not for another.
I am also well aware how hard teachers work and that it is nor merely a 9 till 3 job for 39 weeks of the year. But "the lady doth protest too much" why do they always have to add on to any sentence that they work very hard. So do people in every other profession. I am a nurse, we have not had a pay rise in 4 years, we have to have performance reviews, and our pension contribution is now over 9% of our salary. We will not be receiving an increase in our pensions in line with this, it is just extra money for The Government. We are not allowed to strike either, nor would I want to leave my patients at risk, by doing so.

Also, as in all professions there are good and bad. I have found that whilst at primary school my children have had exceptionally hard working, caring, professionals teaching them.
Compare that with a parents night I attended this week, on more than one occasion the teacher concerned had to look at a sheet of photographs to check out which one was my child! I was told by my daughters English teacher that she had a sound grasp of English language. Too right she does her year 6 teacher made sure that she had. Not sure how she knew this though as her book had not been marked this year!
whilst I am well aware that it is not the teachers that impose fines etc. I am pointing out the irony of a school sending that message for one day and not for another. I am also well aware how hard teachers work and that it is nor merely a 9 till 3 job for 39 weeks of the year. But "the lady doth protest too much" why do they always have to add on to any sentence that they work very hard. So do people in every other profession. I am a nurse, we have not had a pay rise in 4 years, we have to have performance reviews, and our pension contribution is now over 9% of our salary. We will not be receiving an increase in our pensions in line with this, it is just extra money for The Government. We are not allowed to strike either, nor would I want to leave my patients at risk, by doing so. Also, as in all professions there are good and bad. I have found that whilst at primary school my children have had exceptionally hard working, caring, professionals teaching them. Compare that with a parents night I attended this week, on more than one occasion the teacher concerned had to look at a sheet of photographs to check out which one was my child! I was told by my daughters English teacher that she had a sound grasp of English language. Too right she does her year 6 teacher made sure that she had. Not sure how she knew this though as her book had not been marked this year! susan23
  • Score: 1

6:14pm Wed 26 Mar 14

barrie timpson says...

I understand the sentiment , but I'm not so sure striking is the best option. Not only do they lose pay , I just don't think it's a very good method. If their problem is with the government - then why punish pupils and parents?
I understand the sentiment , but I'm not so sure striking is the best option. Not only do they lose pay , I just don't think it's a very good method. If their problem is with the government - then why punish pupils and parents? barrie timpson
  • Score: 0

7:03pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Lesmac24 says...

There is a couple of issues here, everyone has the right to withdrawal their labour and this is a fundamental principle of democracy, however many professional choose not to exercise that right for the good of the people they work with. Nurses who equally work hard, work a minimum of 37.5 hours per week and often more and get 6.6 weeks holiday choose not to exercise this right.
Secondly the issue regarding taking kids out of school damages a child's education, firstly I believe teachers have taught hard for the government to tackle this issue and many teachers agree with the principles of what the government are doing, secondly any teacher who have either not voted or have voted for strike action can not condone the governments stance. And finally to say this is government policy is wrong, my understanding is it is at the schools discretion if they enforce this.
There is a couple of issues here, everyone has the right to withdrawal their labour and this is a fundamental principle of democracy, however many professional choose not to exercise that right for the good of the people they work with. Nurses who equally work hard, work a minimum of 37.5 hours per week and often more and get 6.6 weeks holiday choose not to exercise this right. Secondly the issue regarding taking kids out of school damages a child's education, firstly I believe teachers have taught hard for the government to tackle this issue and many teachers agree with the principles of what the government are doing, secondly any teacher who have either not voted or have voted for strike action can not condone the governments stance. And finally to say this is government policy is wrong, my understanding is it is at the schools discretion if they enforce this. Lesmac24
  • Score: 1

11:12pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Although it is not my union that is on strike as we take a different view on the action members are authorised to take which is not doing work that is not directly teaching pupils and much of the mountains of paperwork, withdrawing one's labour is a central tenet in a country supposed to have freedom of action within the law.

As I am in personal contact with those who actually sit at the so called talks that Government ministers say we have, I am assured all they do is sit there looking up at the ceiling whilst listening to our leaders then get up and leave.No constructive dialogue so no wonder teachers of all unions on or not on strike are angry.

Teachers work dammed hard despite the usual anti union and public sector drivel from sankey.
Although it is not my union that is on strike as we take a different view on the action members are authorised to take which is not doing work that is not directly teaching pupils and much of the mountains of paperwork, withdrawing one's labour is a central tenet in a country supposed to have freedom of action within the law. As I am in personal contact with those who actually sit at the so called talks that Government ministers say we have, I am assured all they do is sit there looking up at the ceiling whilst listening to our leaders then get up and leave.No constructive dialogue so no wonder teachers of all unions on or not on strike are angry. Teachers work dammed hard despite the usual anti union and public sector drivel from sankey. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 4

11:37pm Wed 26 Mar 14

frankly says...

Bill i agree.. They do work hard.. If some parents added a little to their efforts, we wouldn't have the moronic youngsters now on the streets, Teaching isn't just about 9 until 315 as some think, its a twelve hour day for most teachers. But when some parents don't carry on the education after 315 then we wont get children being as educated as they should be,
Bill i agree.. They do work hard.. If some parents added a little to their efforts, we wouldn't have the moronic youngsters now on the streets, Teaching isn't just about 9 until 315 as some think, its a twelve hour day for most teachers. But when some parents don't carry on the education after 315 then we wont get children being as educated as they should be, frankly
  • Score: 5

9:54am Thu 27 Mar 14

Sankey says...

Teachers work hard ? I appreciate many do but then so do the rest of the working population without any of the benefits teachers get. That does not make them immune from change something the rest of the world adapted to five years ago even in the public sector.

To be fair to teachers it's only one union lead by the firebrand Christine blower.

With each of these pointless and unjustified strikes the reputation of the teaching profession is dragged further and further into the gutter

The public (rightly or wrongly) see teachers in a very poor light as lazy people dragging on to entitlement and refusing to adapt to the world as it is today.
Teachers work hard ? I appreciate many do but then so do the rest of the working population without any of the benefits teachers get. That does not make them immune from change something the rest of the world adapted to five years ago even in the public sector. To be fair to teachers it's only one union lead by the firebrand Christine blower. With each of these pointless and unjustified strikes the reputation of the teaching profession is dragged further and further into the gutter The public (rightly or wrongly) see teachers in a very poor light as lazy people dragging on to entitlement and refusing to adapt to the world as it is today. Sankey
  • Score: -4

11:51pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Bill Bradbury says...

Sankey, Information I have on a confidential nature would confirm your suspicion (and mine) of the NUT action. One of the reasons why NASUWT did not join the action.
As to working hard GOVERNMENT FIGURES (not biased union ones) claim that teachers' working week exceeds 70 hours, slightly less for primaries. It even exceeds the EU working time directive of 40 hours, which of course UKIP would abolish- and they claim to represent, in one of their many claims, the working class!!
Their policy is "fooling people all of the time". apart form ex Lib/Dem and independent candidates in the coming local election who jump on what they perceive a bandwagon. The voters will see through this political opportunism.
Sankey, Information I have on a confidential nature would confirm your suspicion (and mine) of the NUT action. One of the reasons why NASUWT did not join the action. As to working hard GOVERNMENT FIGURES (not biased union ones) claim that teachers' working week exceeds 70 hours, slightly less for primaries. It even exceeds the EU working time directive of 40 hours, which of course UKIP would abolish- and they claim to represent, in one of their many claims, the working class!! Their policy is "fooling people all of the time". apart form ex Lib/Dem and independent candidates in the coming local election who jump on what they perceive a bandwagon. The voters will see through this political opportunism. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 1

8:41am Fri 28 Mar 14

Sankey says...

Bill Bradbury wrote:
Sankey, Information I have on a confidential nature would confirm your suspicion (and mine) of the NUT action. One of the reasons why NASUWT did not join the action.
As to working hard GOVERNMENT FIGURES (not biased union ones) claim that teachers' working week exceeds 70 hours, slightly less for primaries. It even exceeds the EU working time directive of 40 hours, which of course UKIP would abolish- and they claim to represent, in one of their many claims, the working class!!
Their policy is "fooling people all of the time". apart form ex Lib/Dem and independent candidates in the coming local election who jump on what they perceive a bandwagon. The voters will see through this political opportunism.
Bill accepting your 70 hours figures as accurate I don't understand what the point is ?

Does that make teachers immune from change ? Are they the untouchables ?
[quote][p][bold]Bill Bradbury[/bold] wrote: Sankey, Information I have on a confidential nature would confirm your suspicion (and mine) of the NUT action. One of the reasons why NASUWT did not join the action. As to working hard GOVERNMENT FIGURES (not biased union ones) claim that teachers' working week exceeds 70 hours, slightly less for primaries. It even exceeds the EU working time directive of 40 hours, which of course UKIP would abolish- and they claim to represent, in one of their many claims, the working class!! Their policy is "fooling people all of the time". apart form ex Lib/Dem and independent candidates in the coming local election who jump on what they perceive a bandwagon. The voters will see through this political opportunism.[/p][/quote]Bill accepting your 70 hours figures as accurate I don't understand what the point is ? Does that make teachers immune from change ? Are they the untouchables ? Sankey
  • Score: -1

11:23pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Keva68 says...

rollingrock wrote:
Firstly - teachers loose much more than £50 by striking - they are not paid for the day off! Secondly - it is not the teachers who decide to 'fine' pupils but the government policies. Striking is 'meant' to cause problems! Teachers are simply standing up for their rights to better conditions and pay for the role that they do. I really think that people need to check their facts first before making comments! Each pupils absence will be considered on an individual basis and is GOVERNMENT policy not the schools rules! I dont think any teachers would want to fine parents in that way! A teacher looses much more money by striking. In a free society, everyone has the right to stand up for their rights. If you dont like this, then move to Korea.
"Striking is meant to cause problems" yes it will for the children s education and the parents of the children not sure what effect it has on the government.
"Fines for absences are government policy"ruthlessly enforced by teachers.

"If you don't like this move to Korea" Maybe a good move as Korean teachers manage to get the pupils to achieve 5th in world rankings(Pisa Tests).The hard working teachers of the UK manged a paltry 26th.
[quote][p][bold]rollingrock[/bold] wrote: Firstly - teachers loose much more than £50 by striking - they are not paid for the day off! Secondly - it is not the teachers who decide to 'fine' pupils but the government policies. Striking is 'meant' to cause problems! Teachers are simply standing up for their rights to better conditions and pay for the role that they do. I really think that people need to check their facts first before making comments! Each pupils absence will be considered on an individual basis and is GOVERNMENT policy not the schools rules! I dont think any teachers would want to fine parents in that way! A teacher looses much more money by striking. In a free society, everyone has the right to stand up for their rights. If you dont like this, then move to Korea.[/p][/quote]"Striking is meant to cause problems" yes it will for the children s education and the parents of the children not sure what effect it has on the government. "Fines for absences are government policy"ruthlessly enforced by teachers. "If you don't like this move to Korea" Maybe a good move as Korean teachers manage to get the pupils to achieve 5th in world rankings(Pisa Tests).The hard working teachers of the UK manged a paltry 26th. Keva68
  • Score: 2

12:34pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Sankey says...

The government knows it has public support on this and it won't budge an inch nor should it.

They can strike as many times as the like each time they do they are diminishing further they reputation in the eyes of the public
The government knows it has public support on this and it won't budge an inch nor should it. They can strike as many times as the like each time they do they are diminishing further they reputation in the eyes of the public Sankey
  • Score: 0

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