Range defends parking fines after Star readers' outcry

St Helens Star: Warnings remind drivers the car park is for customers onl Warnings remind drivers the car park is for customers onl

A HOME and garden superstore has defended policies on its private car park following criticism from Star readers.

The Range has a parking contractor that monitors use of the car park in Chalon Way, St Helens town centre.

The store says the car park is for genuine customers, rather than shoppers who park there but then don’t go into the store.

But a mounting number of Star readers have voiced their concern after being handed £60 penalty notices for parking their cars at The Range in Chalon Way West.

Some of those penalised say they did shop at the Range but left the car park to go into St Helens before visiting the store.

A spokesperson for The Range, which has 86 outlets nationwide, explained its clampdown: “Since The Range in St Helens opened in 2012 they have had continued issues with the private car park being used by people who do not intend to shop in the store.

“The superstore is located close to the town centre as well as St Helens RFC ground and this issue has an impact on genuine customers.

“The landlord that regulates the private car park has put restrictions in place to try and combat the misuse of the area and has bought in an external company – Car Care – to run it.”

The large car park has 50 signs stating that it is for The Range customers and parking is subject to a maximum stay of two hours. In-store announcements repeat restriction warnings.

The spokesperson added: “If a customer needs longer than the two hours allocated, this can easily be arranged at the customer services desk.

“In addition the attendants who watch the car park will only issue on the spot tickets to people who park in the private car park and then do not go straight to the store.

“If a genuine customer is issued with a fine we are encouraging customers to get in contact with the store who will be able to evaluate the circumstances and providing they can give a valid receipt, the store manager will then honour the receipt and request for the parking fine be revoked.”

The Range says they make no financial gain from the fines and the restrictions are only in place to enable genuine customers of the store to park at their convenience.

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7:34am Fri 21 Mar 14

othervictim says...

So now we all know the solution, if you are not shopping in The Range don't use The Range car Park and you won't receive a penalty, now that it is clear please no more whining if you do get caught out because it will be your own fault.
So now we all know the solution, if you are not shopping in The Range don't use The Range car Park and you won't receive a penalty, now that it is clear please no more whining if you do get caught out because it will be your own fault. othervictim
  • Score: 18

8:33am Fri 21 Mar 14

omnigirl1 says...

What about in the evening though when the store is closed? Friends had gone to the cinema across the road from The Range and used the car park as the leisure facilities and college car park was full. Only for a few days later to receive a fine. Surely this wasn't breaching store policy as the store was closed? If they really want to enforce this fully then they should have gates to close off the car park outside of trading hours. Or stipulate the hours in which a fine could occur.
What about in the evening though when the store is closed? Friends had gone to the cinema across the road from The Range and used the car park as the leisure facilities and college car park was full. Only for a few days later to receive a fine. Surely this wasn't breaching store policy as the store was closed? If they really want to enforce this fully then they should have gates to close off the car park outside of trading hours. Or stipulate the hours in which a fine could occur. omnigirl1
  • Score: 12

9:02am Fri 21 Mar 14

Trojanguido says...

Since the Range opened in 2012, local residents have had problems with staff members from the store using the local residential areas as free car parking whilst they work in the store, the staff would abandon their cars on footpaths, blocking drives and junctions and go directly to the store without intending to use safe carparking that doesn't create a danger for local residents.
It is a pity that the residents cant recruit the services of a private enforcement company and have to rely on the stretched resources of Police and Local Authority to deal with this situation. Perhaps management at the Range would like to reflect on their social impact responsibilities as their policy has in impact on genuine road users, residents and pedestrians.
Since the Range opened in 2012, local residents have had problems with staff members from the store using the local residential areas as free car parking whilst they work in the store, the staff would abandon their cars on footpaths, blocking drives and junctions and go directly to the store without intending to use safe carparking that doesn't create a danger for local residents. It is a pity that the residents cant recruit the services of a private enforcement company and have to rely on the stretched resources of Police and Local Authority to deal with this situation. Perhaps management at the Range would like to reflect on their social impact responsibilities as their policy has in impact on genuine road users, residents and pedestrians. Trojanguido
  • Score: 6

9:21am Fri 21 Mar 14

smith&weston says...

“The superstore is located close to the town centre as well as St Helens RFC ground and this issue has an impact on genuine customers....

The store is never open when Rugby is played as games kick off at 8pm so that won't be affecting them.
“The superstore is located close to the town centre as well as St Helens RFC ground and this issue has an impact on genuine customers.... The store is never open when Rugby is played as games kick off at 8pm so that won't be affecting them. smith&weston
  • Score: 8

9:31am Fri 21 Mar 14

mike0619 says...

Don't pay the fine simple. They will never take u to court :)
Don't pay the fine simple. They will never take u to court :) mike0619
  • Score: 2

9:51am Fri 21 Mar 14

Bill Bradbury says...

As a Store that claims that we sell everything you want they still haven't answered that when we come out of the store with no receipt as "there was no call for it" (we are) then will we be fined or for the next 2 hours continue our shopping in St.Helens where we may purchase the afforesaid item?
Plain daft to fine people when the store is closed and if they don't want to provide a community service, then fence the place and close it at night.

As for their employees they should provide parking for them as do most supermarkets, my son works with one with the appropriate permit. Range's "social conscience" on this appears from some comments (trojan) that the local residents suffer problems of employee/worker parking which is unfortunately a problem nation-wide especially when they park in a public park or small local shopping area then get the bus to Wigan or St.Helens.
As a Store that claims that we sell everything you want they still haven't answered that when we come out of the store with no receipt as "there was no call for it" (we are) then will we be fined or for the next 2 hours continue our shopping in St.Helens where we may purchase the afforesaid item? Plain daft to fine people when the store is closed and if they don't want to provide a community service, then fence the place and close it at night. As for their employees they should provide parking for them as do most supermarkets, my son works with one with the appropriate permit. Range's "social conscience" on this appears from some comments (trojan) that the local residents suffer problems of employee/worker parking which is unfortunately a problem nation-wide especially when they park in a public park or small local shopping area then get the bus to Wigan or St.Helens. Bill Bradbury
  • Score: 0

1:37pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Parrcenter says...

what about returning faulty goods after going home. then receiving a fine with 'evidence' of me arriving first time and leaving second time. is this fraud.
what about returning faulty goods after going home. then receiving a fine with 'evidence' of me arriving first time and leaving second time. is this fraud. Parrcenter
  • Score: 0

1:43pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Sankey says...

Sounds like going to range in St. Helens is more trouble than its worth
Sounds like going to range in St. Helens is more trouble than its worth Sankey
  • Score: 5

1:54pm Fri 21 Mar 14

MLHP says...

mike0619 wrote:
Don't pay the fine simple. They will never take u to court :)
Corrrrrrrect! Same as the cowboys who operate on huge sports direct car park, just don't pay, they use empty threats of bailiff actions and god knows what else, I even had a direct verbal argument with one of the 'sted-head' enforcement officers at the range at Xmas time, big burly empty head who thought beacuase he had his bouncers black / viz jacket on he could speak to people how ever he wanted, the sad bugger even tickets my vehicle whist I was in the range, suffice to say I didn't pay, and won't be paying.
As mentioned it's not as if the range has soooo many customers that they cannot shop in the store because of the huge influx of shoppers swapping the town centre! Proof that it's nothing more than a money maker is the fact that even when the store is closed fines will still be issued! Cowboys, simple as, don't pay!
[quote][p][bold]mike0619[/bold] wrote: Don't pay the fine simple. They will never take u to court :)[/p][/quote]Corrrrrrrect! Same as the cowboys who operate on huge sports direct car park, just don't pay, they use empty threats of bailiff actions and god knows what else, I even had a direct verbal argument with one of the 'sted-head' enforcement officers at the range at Xmas time, big burly empty head who thought beacuase he had his bouncers black / viz jacket on he could speak to people how ever he wanted, the sad bugger even tickets my vehicle whist I was in the range, suffice to say I didn't pay, and won't be paying. As mentioned it's not as if the range has soooo many customers that they cannot shop in the store because of the huge influx of shoppers swapping the town centre! Proof that it's nothing more than a money maker is the fact that even when the store is closed fines will still be issued! Cowboys, simple as, don't pay! MLHP
  • Score: 11

2:17pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Frankie Flintstone says...

Range defends parking fines after Star readers outcry, one person writing a letter does not make it an outcry, The Range have written their comments and in my opinion have justified there actions they have made it very clear that if you are not shopping tn their store you are not welcome to park on their car park, if anyone does not understand this then they should not be allowed out on their own as they are a risk to themselves and possibly others.
Range defends parking fines after Star readers outcry, one person writing a letter does not make it an outcry, The Range have written their comments and in my opinion have justified there actions they have made it very clear that if you are not shopping tn their store you are not welcome to park on their car park, if anyone does not understand this then they should not be allowed out on their own as they are a risk to themselves and possibly others. Frankie Flintstone
  • Score: 9

3:43pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Hollies Mummy says...

Why are people moaning ??? Park on the many car parks and PAY for the space you have used , I have seen loads of people park on the Range and the new McDonald's car parks then stroll off into town, this is why fines are issued if the Range won't meet its customer's halfway with its parking regulations then don't shop in there
Why are people moaning ??? Park on the many car parks and PAY for the space you have used , I have seen loads of people park on the Range and the new McDonald's car parks then stroll off into town, this is why fines are issued if the Range won't meet its customer's halfway with its parking regulations then don't shop in there Hollies Mummy
  • Score: 5

8:27pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Geoff911 says...

All this is doing is putting people from going in to town so the only losers will be the shops, to be honest if the car park has spaces I don't see a problem it would be "good customer practise" ok if people are parking there all day for free that's not on but it has gone on for years.
What the Range need to do it put up a kiosk with a 1 guy in it to charge you going in (say £2) and giving you a money off voucher to use in the shop, problem solved no more free loaders.
All this is doing is putting people from going in to town so the only losers will be the shops, to be honest if the car park has spaces I don't see a problem it would be "good customer practise" ok if people are parking there all day for free that's not on but it has gone on for years. What the Range need to do it put up a kiosk with a 1 guy in it to charge you going in (say £2) and giving you a money off voucher to use in the shop, problem solved no more free loaders. Geoff911
  • Score: -1

11:50pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Keva68 says...

Frankie Flintstone wrote:
Range defends parking fines after Star readers outcry, one person writing a letter does not make it an outcry, The Range have written their comments and in my opinion have justified there actions they have made it very clear that if you are not shopping tn their store you are not welcome to park on their car park, if anyone does not understand this then they should not be allowed out on their own as they are a risk to themselves and possibly others.
So what if i park then go in only to find the item i want is to expensive or not in stock.I then leave the car park but end up with a £60 fine.You would have no defense whatsoever and would have to pay.
My advice would be to avoid the Town center full stop unless using council car parks its not worth the hassle go to Tesco or a retail park.
Asda got rid of the parking company they used because people stopped shopping at the store because of the trouble it caused.
The parking companies that manage these car parks are there to make a profit whatever way they can ,just boycott the stores that use them its easy.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Flintstone[/bold] wrote: Range defends parking fines after Star readers outcry, one person writing a letter does not make it an outcry, The Range have written their comments and in my opinion have justified there actions they have made it very clear that if you are not shopping tn their store you are not welcome to park on their car park, if anyone does not understand this then they should not be allowed out on their own as they are a risk to themselves and possibly others.[/p][/quote]So what if i park then go in only to find the item i want is to expensive or not in stock.I then leave the car park but end up with a £60 fine.You would have no defense whatsoever and would have to pay. My advice would be to avoid the Town center full stop unless using council car parks its not worth the hassle go to Tesco or a retail park. Asda got rid of the parking company they used because people stopped shopping at the store because of the trouble it caused. The parking companies that manage these car parks are there to make a profit whatever way they can ,just boycott the stores that use them its easy. Keva68
  • Score: 7

9:11am Sat 22 Mar 14

Frankie Flintstone says...

Keva68 wrote:
Frankie Flintstone wrote:
Range defends parking fines after Star readers outcry, one person writing a letter does not make it an outcry, The Range have written their comments and in my opinion have justified there actions they have made it very clear that if you are not shopping tn their store you are not welcome to park on their car park, if anyone does not understand this then they should not be allowed out on their own as they are a risk to themselves and possibly others.
So what if i park then go in only to find the item i want is to expensive or not in stock.I then leave the car park but end up with a £60 fine.You would have no defense whatsoever and would have to pay.
My advice would be to avoid the Town center full stop unless using council car parks its not worth the hassle go to Tesco or a retail park.
Asda got rid of the parking company they used because people stopped shopping at the store because of the trouble it caused.
The parking companies that manage these car parks are there to make a profit whatever way they can ,just boycott the stores that use them its easy.
If if's and and's, I wonder if you are using your own brain or running one in for an idiot?
[quote][p][bold]Keva68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frankie Flintstone[/bold] wrote: Range defends parking fines after Star readers outcry, one person writing a letter does not make it an outcry, The Range have written their comments and in my opinion have justified there actions they have made it very clear that if you are not shopping tn their store you are not welcome to park on their car park, if anyone does not understand this then they should not be allowed out on their own as they are a risk to themselves and possibly others.[/p][/quote]So what if i park then go in only to find the item i want is to expensive or not in stock.I then leave the car park but end up with a £60 fine.You would have no defense whatsoever and would have to pay. My advice would be to avoid the Town center full stop unless using council car parks its not worth the hassle go to Tesco or a retail park. Asda got rid of the parking company they used because people stopped shopping at the store because of the trouble it caused. The parking companies that manage these car parks are there to make a profit whatever way they can ,just boycott the stores that use them its easy.[/p][/quote]If if's and and's, I wonder if you are using your own brain or running one in for an idiot? Frankie Flintstone
  • Score: -3

9:15am Sat 22 Mar 14

Keva68 says...

Yep running yours is as you don't understand the principle of a business.
Yep running yours is as you don't understand the principle of a business. Keva68
  • Score: 0

9:26am Sat 22 Mar 14

Keva68 says...

Keva68 wrote:
Yep running yours is as you don't understand the principle of a business.
Apologies you do with being the Manager of The Range.
[quote][p][bold]Keva68[/bold] wrote: Yep running yours is as you don't understand the principle of a business.[/p][/quote]Apologies you do with being the Manager of The Range. Keva68
  • Score: -2

10:27am Sat 22 Mar 14

keepitreel says...

so let me get this right,you drive past car parks that charge a few pounds to park on them so you can go to a car park belonging to an outlet that you have no intention of spending your money at,but them moan when the owners ask you for a fine even though you know you have done wrong,please tell me i have missed something.
so let me get this right,you drive past car parks that charge a few pounds to park on them so you can go to a car park belonging to an outlet that you have no intention of spending your money at,but them moan when the owners ask you for a fine even though you know you have done wrong,please tell me i have missed something. keepitreel
  • Score: 5

11:04am Sat 22 Mar 14

Frankie Flintstone says...

keepitreel wrote:
so let me get this right,you drive past car parks that charge a few pounds to park on them so you can go to a car park belonging to an outlet that you have no intention of spending your money at,but them moan when the owners ask you for a fine even though you know you have done wrong,please tell me i have missed something.
You have not missed anything it is the fools who do this have missed something, there is an old saying that sums the idiots up, THERE ARE NON SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO DO NOT WISH TO SEE.
[quote][p][bold]keepitreel[/bold] wrote: so let me get this right,you drive past car parks that charge a few pounds to park on them so you can go to a car park belonging to an outlet that you have no intention of spending your money at,but them moan when the owners ask you for a fine even though you know you have done wrong,please tell me i have missed something.[/p][/quote]You have not missed anything it is the fools who do this have missed something, there is an old saying that sums the idiots up, THERE ARE NON SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO DO NOT WISH TO SEE. Frankie Flintstone
  • Score: 0

10:28pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Keva68 says...

Frankie Flintstone wrote:
keepitreel wrote:
so let me get this right,you drive past car parks that charge a few pounds to park on them so you can go to a car park belonging to an outlet that you have no intention of spending your money at,but them moan when the owners ask you for a fine even though you know you have done wrong,please tell me i have missed something.
You have not missed anything it is the fools who do this have missed something, there is an old saying that sums the idiots up, THERE ARE NON SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO DO NOT WISH TO SEE.
So the message is clear if you don't want the hassle of arguing over a £60 fine don't park on The Range car park whether you want to use the store or not.
Seems a bit silly giving tickets to legitimate customers who use the store but hey it must make more money that way.
[quote][p][bold]Frankie Flintstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keepitreel[/bold] wrote: so let me get this right,you drive past car parks that charge a few pounds to park on them so you can go to a car park belonging to an outlet that you have no intention of spending your money at,but them moan when the owners ask you for a fine even though you know you have done wrong,please tell me i have missed something.[/p][/quote]You have not missed anything it is the fools who do this have missed something, there is an old saying that sums the idiots up, THERE ARE NON SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO DO NOT WISH TO SEE.[/p][/quote]So the message is clear if you don't want the hassle of arguing over a £60 fine don't park on The Range car park whether you want to use the store or not. Seems a bit silly giving tickets to legitimate customers who use the store but hey it must make more money that way. Keva68
  • Score: 2

9:06am Sun 23 Mar 14

Eman Resu says...

People - it's not a fine, only local authorities, police, courts, etc, can issue fines - the Range or their agents have no legal right to issue fines to anyone. They only use the words FINE, PARKING CHARGE NOTICE (to mimic a Penalty Charge Notice) and APPEAL to scare and intimidate people. What's more, Car Care parking company are not accredited members of the BPA and as such, do not have the automatic access to the DVLA database, as they allege to.

What the Range (or Car Care) are issuing are invoices for the use of their land to park your vehicles. When you enter the car park you enter into an unwritten contract with them. They agree to lease you a part of their land under certain conditions, namely that you will be shopping with them and you will not exceed two hours. If you don't comply with the conditions, you have broken the contract and so they then charge you for the use of their land to park. Any court action taken will be a civil matter raised by them to claim the amount on the invoice - THEY WON'T DO THIS - too much like hard work and hassle. If 8 out of 10 people pay up without dispute, they will think nothing of writing off the other 2, once they have sent a few letters first and ensured that you'll never shop at the Range again.

At the end of the day, there are two approaches to this:

1, you can be a considerate and thoughtful citizen of St Helens and only park at the Range (or other such retail outlets) when you are shopping there.

2, you can be totally selfish and do what you want, when you want - two fingers to anyone who asks you to be considerate.
People - it's not a fine, only local authorities, police, courts, etc, can issue fines - the Range or their agents have no legal right to issue fines to anyone. They only use the words FINE, PARKING CHARGE NOTICE (to mimic a Penalty Charge Notice) and APPEAL to scare and intimidate people. What's more, Car Care parking company are not accredited members of the BPA and as such, do not have the automatic access to the DVLA database, as they allege to. What the Range (or Car Care) are issuing are invoices for the use of their land to park your vehicles. When you enter the car park you enter into an unwritten contract with them. They agree to lease you a part of their land under certain conditions, namely that you will be shopping with them and you will not exceed two hours. If you don't comply with the conditions, you have broken the contract and so they then charge you for the use of their land to park. Any court action taken will be a civil matter raised by them to claim the amount on the invoice - THEY WON'T DO THIS - too much like hard work and hassle. If 8 out of 10 people pay up without dispute, they will think nothing of writing off the other 2, once they have sent a few letters first and ensured that you'll never shop at the Range again. At the end of the day, there are two approaches to this: 1, you can be a considerate and thoughtful citizen of St Helens and only park at the Range (or other such retail outlets) when you are shopping there. 2, you can be totally selfish and do what you want, when you want - two fingers to anyone who asks you to be considerate. Eman Resu
  • Score: 5

9:31am Sun 23 Mar 14

Keva68 says...

Eman Resu wrote:
People - it's not a fine, only local authorities, police, courts, etc, can issue fines - the Range or their agents have no legal right to issue fines to anyone. They only use the words FINE, PARKING CHARGE NOTICE (to mimic a Penalty Charge Notice) and APPEAL to scare and intimidate people. What's more, Car Care parking company are not accredited members of the BPA and as such, do not have the automatic access to the DVLA database, as they allege to.

What the Range (or Car Care) are issuing are invoices for the use of their land to park your vehicles. When you enter the car park you enter into an unwritten contract with them. They agree to lease you a part of their land under certain conditions, namely that you will be shopping with them and you will not exceed two hours. If you don't comply with the conditions, you have broken the contract and so they then charge you for the use of their land to park. Any court action taken will be a civil matter raised by them to claim the amount on the invoice - THEY WON'T DO THIS - too much like hard work and hassle. If 8 out of 10 people pay up without dispute, they will think nothing of writing off the other 2, once they have sent a few letters first and ensured that you'll never shop at the Range again.

At the end of the day, there are two approaches to this:

1, you can be a considerate and thoughtful citizen of St Helens and only park at the Range (or other such retail outlets) when you are shopping there.

2, you can be totally selfish and do what you want, when you want - two fingers to anyone who asks you to be considerate.
Very good info ,although just to add I don't think the businesses that employ the likes of car care understand the long term damage it causes to custom.
[quote][p][bold]Eman Resu[/bold] wrote: People - it's not a fine, only local authorities, police, courts, etc, can issue fines - the Range or their agents have no legal right to issue fines to anyone. They only use the words FINE, PARKING CHARGE NOTICE (to mimic a Penalty Charge Notice) and APPEAL to scare and intimidate people. What's more, Car Care parking company are not accredited members of the BPA and as such, do not have the automatic access to the DVLA database, as they allege to. What the Range (or Car Care) are issuing are invoices for the use of their land to park your vehicles. When you enter the car park you enter into an unwritten contract with them. They agree to lease you a part of their land under certain conditions, namely that you will be shopping with them and you will not exceed two hours. If you don't comply with the conditions, you have broken the contract and so they then charge you for the use of their land to park. Any court action taken will be a civil matter raised by them to claim the amount on the invoice - THEY WON'T DO THIS - too much like hard work and hassle. If 8 out of 10 people pay up without dispute, they will think nothing of writing off the other 2, once they have sent a few letters first and ensured that you'll never shop at the Range again. At the end of the day, there are two approaches to this: 1, you can be a considerate and thoughtful citizen of St Helens and only park at the Range (or other such retail outlets) when you are shopping there. 2, you can be totally selfish and do what you want, when you want - two fingers to anyone who asks you to be considerate.[/p][/quote]Very good info ,although just to add I don't think the businesses that employ the likes of car care understand the long term damage it causes to custom. Keva68
  • Score: 1

10:58am Sun 23 Mar 14

smith&weston says...

The Range are taking the ' it's our car park " stance because they believe that customers for the Range are turning up, finding no where to park and they are thus losing trade as they turn around and leave. I say Rubbish. Having shopped in there on a couple of occasions ( not by choice) I'd reckon the average customer spends longer standing in a queue at their tills then a rouge parker spends parked on their tarmac.
The Range are taking the ' it's our car park " stance because they believe that customers for the Range are turning up, finding no where to park and they are thus losing trade as they turn around and leave. I say Rubbish. Having shopped in there on a couple of occasions ( not by choice) I'd reckon the average customer spends longer standing in a queue at their tills then a rouge parker spends parked on their tarmac. smith&weston
  • Score: 4

1:05pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Sankey says...

I visited the cinema in St. Helens last night and all around were warning signings and threats of huge fines. We did park further away near the ring road which was free to be fair

But it did feel a very unwelcoming place and we won't be going again same with range they may have a point but not worth the hassle
I visited the cinema in St. Helens last night and all around were warning signings and threats of huge fines. We did park further away near the ring road which was free to be fair But it did feel a very unwelcoming place and we won't be going again same with range they may have a point but not worth the hassle Sankey
  • Score: 4

3:34pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Arkay1 says...

The parking company cannot issue fines. They can only issue Penalty Notices. A fine is given for a criminal offense. Parking on private car parks is a Civil Offense and not subject to fines. If it states on te ticket that it is a 'Fine' that in itself is illegal and should be challenged.
The parking company cannot issue fines. They can only issue Penalty Notices. A fine is given for a criminal offense. Parking on private car parks is a Civil Offense and not subject to fines. If it states on te ticket that it is a 'Fine' that in itself is illegal and should be challenged. Arkay1
  • Score: 2

3:47pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Arkay1 says...

Eman Resu (User Name backwards. How cowardly is that?)

Local Authorities are not allowed to issue FINES. They can, and do, issue penalty notices.

Police are allowed to issue fixed penalty fines.

Criminal Courts can issue FInes, Civil courts cannot.
Eman Resu (User Name backwards. How cowardly is that?) Local Authorities are not allowed to issue FINES. They can, and do, issue penalty notices. Police are allowed to issue fixed penalty fines. Criminal Courts can issue FInes, Civil courts cannot. Arkay1
  • Score: -2

4:27pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Sankey says...

The aggressive notices were not on range but all around the cinema complex you have to park a long way away and walk in. But with range and this area St. Helens gives the impression of being a very aggressive and unwelcome place. I had a walk around the town about 9pm it was deserted and full of boarded up bars and much of the town centre was in darkness. The only area of life was near the cinema and nandos yet this was the area of maximum aggression. You would have to be a compete idiot to shop or venture for leisure into St. Helens town centre in 2014 there is nothing and I mean nothing to go for its turned into a ghost town.
The aggressive notices were not on range but all around the cinema complex you have to park a long way away and walk in. But with range and this area St. Helens gives the impression of being a very aggressive and unwelcome place. I had a walk around the town about 9pm it was deserted and full of boarded up bars and much of the town centre was in darkness. The only area of life was near the cinema and nandos yet this was the area of maximum aggression. You would have to be a compete idiot to shop or venture for leisure into St. Helens town centre in 2014 there is nothing and I mean nothing to go for its turned into a ghost town. Sankey
  • Score: 4

5:25pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Keva68 says...

Sankey wrote:
I visited the cinema in St. Helens last night and all around were warning signings and threats of huge fines. We did park further away near the ring road which was free to be fair

But it did feel a very unwelcoming place and we won't be going again same with range they may have a point but not worth the hassle
Spot on this is how most people probably feel.Same here if I want to go Nandos I drive to Stockton Heath ,for the pictures Liverpool.
St Helens just has a habit of wanting to put customers off with all the private car parking companies.Just change them all to pay and display and make life easy ,claim your £ back if you buy something in respective store(but that won't make money).
As for the law and enforceability I couldn't be bothered with the hassle and aggravation of getting a ticket.
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: I visited the cinema in St. Helens last night and all around were warning signings and threats of huge fines. We did park further away near the ring road which was free to be fair But it did feel a very unwelcoming place and we won't be going again same with range they may have a point but not worth the hassle[/p][/quote]Spot on this is how most people probably feel.Same here if I want to go Nandos I drive to Stockton Heath ,for the pictures Liverpool. St Helens just has a habit of wanting to put customers off with all the private car parking companies.Just change them all to pay and display and make life easy ,claim your £ back if you buy something in respective store(but that won't make money). As for the law and enforceability I couldn't be bothered with the hassle and aggravation of getting a ticket. Keva68
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8:55am Mon 24 Mar 14

fonsboy says...

Sankey wrote:
The aggressive notices were not on range but all around the cinema complex you have to park a long way away and walk in. But with range and this area St. Helens gives the impression of being a very aggressive and unwelcome place. I had a walk around the town about 9pm it was deserted and full of boarded up bars and much of the town centre was in darkness. The only area of life was near the cinema and nandos yet this was the area of maximum aggression. You would have to be a compete idiot to shop or venture for leisure into St. Helens town centre in 2014 there is nothing and I mean nothing to go for its turned into a ghost town.
@ Sankey : very good post my friend , but unless you are an invalid is it too much to ask to park in the multi-storey car park . It is only about 100 metres from the cinema complex or the `Range` store . I live overseas , so forgive me if the said car park is closed at night .
[quote][p][bold]Sankey[/bold] wrote: The aggressive notices were not on range but all around the cinema complex you have to park a long way away and walk in. But with range and this area St. Helens gives the impression of being a very aggressive and unwelcome place. I had a walk around the town about 9pm it was deserted and full of boarded up bars and much of the town centre was in darkness. The only area of life was near the cinema and nandos yet this was the area of maximum aggression. You would have to be a compete idiot to shop or venture for leisure into St. Helens town centre in 2014 there is nothing and I mean nothing to go for its turned into a ghost town.[/p][/quote]@ Sankey : very good post my friend , but unless you are an invalid is it too much to ask to park in the multi-storey car park . It is only about 100 metres from the cinema complex or the `Range` store . I live overseas , so forgive me if the said car park is closed at night . fonsboy
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10:04am Mon 24 Mar 14

Sankey says...

Pretty sure it's closed and its more than 100 metres normally when you go to the cinema you park outside and walk in. Except in St. Helens
Pretty sure it's closed and its more than 100 metres normally when you go to the cinema you park outside and walk in. Except in St. Helens Sankey
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4:48pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Eman Resu says...

Arkay1 wrote:
Eman Resu (User Name backwards. How cowardly is that?)

Local Authorities are not allowed to issue FINES. They can, and do, issue penalty notices.

Police are allowed to issue fixed penalty fines.

Criminal Courts can issue FInes, Civil courts cannot.
If you were to produce your Birth Certificate, would it have Arkay1 written on it? I doubt it. So what is the relevance of your comment about my pseudonym? Except to highlight your hypocrisy? Frankly, your comment has no bearing whatsoever upon the subject matter, nor does our names.

Thank you for clarifying exactly who can issue what, I did generalise slightly in my previous post. The crux of my point remains: private parking companies issue INVOICES and not FINES.
[quote][p][bold]Arkay1[/bold] wrote: Eman Resu (User Name backwards. How cowardly is that?) Local Authorities are not allowed to issue FINES. They can, and do, issue penalty notices. Police are allowed to issue fixed penalty fines. Criminal Courts can issue FInes, Civil courts cannot.[/p][/quote]If you were to produce your Birth Certificate, would it have Arkay1 written on it? I doubt it. So what is the relevance of your comment about my pseudonym? Except to highlight your hypocrisy? Frankly, your comment has no bearing whatsoever upon the subject matter, nor does our names. Thank you for clarifying exactly who can issue what, I did generalise slightly in my previous post. The crux of my point remains: private parking companies issue INVOICES and not FINES. Eman Resu
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