Skateboarders feel victimised over potential Church Square ban

Skateboarders feel victimised over potential ban

Skateboarders feel victimised over potential ban

First published in News St Helens Star: Photograph of the Author by , News Editor

SKATEBOARDERS believe they are being “victimised” following revelations that police aim to ban them from Church Square.

Officers submitted a file of evidence to St Helens’ Safer Communities team last year requesting a bye law that would stop skating in pedestrianised zones of the town centre.

Police said it followed reports of damage to buildings and a number of “near misses” with pedestrians. They also cited incidents of verbal abuse and drug use near St Helens Parish Church.

But the young skateboarders have hit back at the police report, insisting they are well behaved and respectful of their surroundings.

Speaking to the Star on Church Street, a group teenage skateboarders aged in their mid-teens put forward their case.

They said: “It is offensive for the police to suggest we take drugs and if there are older people on the square we are respectful. If a church service is on we make sure we skate away from there.

“We tend to come down here in an early evening when the town centre is clearing. It is safe for us – going to somewhere like Victoria Park (which has a skate park) is more dangerous.”

They add that the finger of blame is being pointed in the wrong direction and that it is others who simply come to the Church Square area to “hang around” who often caused trouble.

The teens added: “There are some people who sit on the benches smoking weed who aren’t with the skateboarders.

“There are different groups who come down here, people need to understand that.

Youth group leaders, meanwhile, say they are dismayed that the issue of skaters gathering in Church Square in evenings has been raised.

In a letter to the Star, Joseph Higgins, of Youth Aflame – a church outreach group for youths – said that police already have sufficient powers if criminal activity is really being committed.

He fears police risk “criminalising a section of St Helens people for nothing more than being young and living a little exuberantly”.

Mr Higgins added that the town centre offers a safer place for youngsters than skate park, where some have been assaulted.

Mr Higgins added: “As a group these young people are bright, kind, articulate, funny and well mannered.

“Okay they dress a little differently and I can understand that some can find that a little intimidating but that is no reason to subject them to authoritarian bullying.

“They are the future of St Helens and heavy handed treatment will undoubtedly lead to a lifetime of mistrust and disrespect for the police and authority in general.”

A consultation process over the police request has been taking place and St Helens Council is set to make a decision in the near future.

Have your say on the potential skateboard ban at sthelensstar.co.uk and vote in our online poll.

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9:23am Thu 6 Feb 14

jumperr says...

Why is a bye law needed, come on the CSP explain,or any Councillor
Why is a bye law needed, come on the CSP explain,or any Councillor jumperr
  • Score: 7

9:56am Thu 6 Feb 14

cifababe says...

Whenever I am in the town centre in the evening, these young skaters are around but do not intimidate me. They keep their distance and are polite when spoken to. They are in a well lit area and not skulking round in dark alleyways. There are other groups around that can be intimidating but these young people are doing an activity to keep them fit and out in the fresh air when the alternative would be sitting at home in front of a computer screen. There are other things the police could be doing.
Whenever I am in the town centre in the evening, these young skaters are around but do not intimidate me. They keep their distance and are polite when spoken to. They are in a well lit area and not skulking round in dark alleyways. There are other groups around that can be intimidating but these young people are doing an activity to keep them fit and out in the fresh air when the alternative would be sitting at home in front of a computer screen. There are other things the police could be doing. cifababe
  • Score: 29

10:29am Thu 6 Feb 14

darkangel510 says...

i think its sad really that these kids have to resort in going to the town centre i am not against this but dont you think it wrong how they have skate parks and are not allowed to use them for fear of being assaulted either physically or verbally and for what being different and unique and dressing differently
i think its sad really that these kids have to resort in going to the town centre i am not against this but dont you think it wrong how they have skate parks and are not allowed to use them for fear of being assaulted either physically or verbally and for what being different and unique and dressing differently darkangel510
  • Score: 16

10:29am Thu 6 Feb 14

jumperr says...

There is but they don't, it is a shopping centre not a park for what ever, what can you allow everything if you allow skate boarding.
There is but they don't, it is a shopping centre not a park for what ever, what can you allow everything if you allow skate boarding. jumperr
  • Score: -16

11:03am Thu 6 Feb 14

digimonmaster says...

this **** is very anoying saying that we take drugs the only people who take drugs in st helens are the gangs that sit on the benches and smoke we you can say were dangeros while were skating but when were not skating were not dageros at all we just like a safe place to hang and skate and thats church square if we go dwon to vicky park we get aboused by all the gangs that want to attack us because they have nothing better to do but hang out were we like to go whatching all of us skate with there hands down their pants looking at little kids on vicky and the only safe place to skate is to go is st helens church square first of all most of us that skate aruond st helens church square are sponcerd skaters so we are jus having fun ok so dont go thinking we are some dangeros people that take drugs and abuse people because were not were just a bunch of teens that like to skate and hang not sit inside all the time and play violent game ok bye.
this **** is very anoying saying that we take drugs the only people who take drugs in st helens are the gangs that sit on the benches and smoke we you can say were dangeros while were skating but when were not skating were not dageros at all we just like a safe place to hang and skate and thats church square if we go dwon to vicky park we get aboused by all the gangs that want to attack us because they have nothing better to do but hang out were we like to go whatching all of us skate with there hands down their pants looking at little kids on vicky and the only safe place to skate is to go is st helens church square first of all most of us that skate aruond st helens church square are sponcerd skaters so we are jus having fun ok so dont go thinking we are some dangeros people that take drugs and abuse people because were not were just a bunch of teens that like to skate and hang not sit inside all the time and play violent game ok bye. digimonmaster
  • Score: 12

11:47am Thu 6 Feb 14

And Justice For All says...

Great letter Mr Higgins. It's a shame when this group of youths is being lumped in with the idiot chavs who ruin the town centre with thei drug taking and loitering. In my experience with these kids I havent been bothered once. Seems that someone in the council/local constabulary has taken a dislike to them for some reason and thats why this is being discussed now.
As for the skate parks. Its great these are around but come the early evening, you get the idiot brigade going there to drink and do whatever else. The sort that find it funny and think it makes them look hard to have a go at these peaceful skaters who just want to enjoy their passtime without being intimidated by the chavs or the police. Leave them alone, they're doing no harm.
Great letter Mr Higgins. It's a shame when this group of youths is being lumped in with the idiot chavs who ruin the town centre with thei drug taking and loitering. In my experience with these kids I havent been bothered once. Seems that someone in the council/local constabulary has taken a dislike to them for some reason and thats why this is being discussed now. As for the skate parks. Its great these are around but come the early evening, you get the idiot brigade going there to drink and do whatever else. The sort that find it funny and think it makes them look hard to have a go at these peaceful skaters who just want to enjoy their passtime without being intimidated by the chavs or the police. Leave them alone, they're doing no harm. And Justice For All
  • Score: 17

12:23pm Thu 6 Feb 14

barrie timpson says...

Right, fair enough. I'm totally with the skaters on this.
I like boxing , unfortunately I feel threatened at the gym I currently travel to , so with immediate effect I am taking all the young lads from my gym to train in the town centre , sparring bag work - the lot , until Victoria park and the other skate parks are turned into boxing gyms.
Right, fair enough. I'm totally with the skaters on this. I like boxing , unfortunately I feel threatened at the gym I currently travel to , so with immediate effect I am taking all the young lads from my gym to train in the town centre , sparring bag work - the lot , until Victoria park and the other skate parks are turned into boxing gyms. barrie timpson
  • Score: -2

12:24pm Thu 6 Feb 14

barrie timpson says...

And I want a council tax rebate for all the other skate parks that are not getting used.
And I want a council tax rebate for all the other skate parks that are not getting used. barrie timpson
  • Score: -2

5:30pm Thu 6 Feb 14

jumperr says...

When somebody slips off and it hits some other person then we will need the tax going up, and I get your point I'm not to sure others do.near misses do count and it is never them who suffer when some poor bugger is in a bad way
When somebody slips off and it hits some other person then we will need the tax going up, and I get your point I'm not to sure others do.near misses do count and it is never them who suffer when some poor bugger is in a bad way jumperr
  • Score: -3

5:33pm Thu 6 Feb 14

barrie timpson says...

Wait I have a solution - use the front of the town hall - if you do that I PROMISE PROMISE PROMISE to buy you all a new skate board , and you can hold me to that.
Wait I have a solution - use the front of the town hall - if you do that I PROMISE PROMISE PROMISE to buy you all a new skate board , and you can hold me to that. barrie timpson
  • Score: 7

5:42pm Thu 6 Feb 14

skate boards mum says...

These young lads and girls do get victimised,, people take on look at them in town and all jump to the wrong idea about them, These young people or really lovely well mannered and kind hearted, there nothing like these chav hoodies that go around trashing the town and other parts of st helens, I no my son is safe in st helens town centre with his friends, but i would be out of my mind if my son had to go the parks where its unsafe for all these young lads and girls, my son was only sat down with his friend near the church when a pcso came up to them and told them all they will amount to nothing and will never get jubs they will just sit at home smoking weed !!
well i told you something my son does not smoke weed or hang about with anyone that does , also my lad is very clever so will go to college and better himself and hopeful get a great job, so before the pcso and other people judge just think before you speak, STOP PUTTING THESE YOUNG PEOPLE DOWN !!!!
These young lads and girls do get victimised,, people take on look at them in town and all jump to the wrong idea about them, These young people or really lovely well mannered and kind hearted, there nothing like these chav hoodies that go around trashing the town and other parts of st helens, I no my son is safe in st helens town centre with his friends, but i would be out of my mind if my son had to go the parks where its unsafe for all these young lads and girls, my son was only sat down with his friend near the church when a pcso came up to them and told them all they will amount to nothing and will never get jubs they will just sit at home smoking weed !! well i told you something my son does not smoke weed or hang about with anyone that does , also my lad is very clever so will go to college and better himself and hopeful get a great job, so before the pcso and other people judge just think before you speak, STOP PUTTING THESE YOUNG PEOPLE DOWN !!!! skate boards mum
  • Score: 12

5:59pm Thu 6 Feb 14

barrie timpson says...

They're great kids , I know they don't smoke weed , I know they are no trouble , this still does not mean that the town centre is suitable for skating.
They're great kids , I know they don't smoke weed , I know they are no trouble , this still does not mean that the town centre is suitable for skating. barrie timpson
  • Score: 6

6:19pm Thu 6 Feb 14

skate boards mum says...

If the council built a place for them all go like ramp works in liverpool they would'nt have to hang around the town centre,that would be a great idea instead of buliding another shopping store aldi a 24hr gym or most fast food stores on the land near the cinema that would stop all this, but its never gonna happen
If the council built a place for them all go like ramp works in liverpool they would'nt have to hang around the town centre,that would be a great idea instead of buliding another shopping store aldi a 24hr gym or most fast food stores on the land near the cinema that would stop all this, but its never gonna happen skate boards mum
  • Score: 3

6:31pm Thu 6 Feb 14

barrie timpson says...

There are four skate parks within a stones throw of the town centre. I understand they may not want to go at night fair enough , but they could use them in the day , understand that people rightly have an issue with them using it at night or during shopping hours and find something else to do at night.

One of the most important things you can teach as a parent is compromise.
There are four skate parks within a stones throw of the town centre. I understand they may not want to go at night fair enough , but they could use them in the day , understand that people rightly have an issue with them using it at night or during shopping hours and find something else to do at night. One of the most important things you can teach as a parent is compromise. barrie timpson
  • Score: 1

6:41pm Thu 6 Feb 14

epson says...

I agree that they are being victimised because the skateboards make them easily noticed. Anyone who has been there walking through them will tell you that it is the gangs of chavs hanging around who cause the trouble, not the skateboarders. They have been going there for years and I have not heard of one report of a passer by being hurt or assaulted by them. Surely if they were up to no good then the security cameras would spot this and get security or Police to sort it.
Leave them alone and concentrate on real troublemakers.
I agree that they are being victimised because the skateboards make them easily noticed. Anyone who has been there walking through them will tell you that it is the gangs of chavs hanging around who cause the trouble, not the skateboarders. They have been going there for years and I have not heard of one report of a passer by being hurt or assaulted by them. Surely if they were up to no good then the security cameras would spot this and get security or Police to sort it. Leave them alone and concentrate on real troublemakers. epson
  • Score: 8

7:33pm Thu 6 Feb 14

It's all a blur says...

If it is such an issue, why don't the council have community officers present, to man the skate parks in the evenings, taking away the fear of threats and assault these skater kids seem to be having issues with?
The skate parks are no good if they aren't being used, when those who want to use them feel they can't because of gangs of idiots.

Why aren't the chavs sat on benches smoking weed being moved on and kept out of the town centre if it is them causing all the problems? Or is it easier to target those who look more unique? ;)
If it is such an issue, why don't the council have community officers present, to man the skate parks in the evenings, taking away the fear of threats and assault these skater kids seem to be having issues with? The skate parks are no good if they aren't being used, when those who want to use them feel they can't because of gangs of idiots. Why aren't the chavs sat on benches smoking weed being moved on and kept out of the town centre if it is them causing all the problems? Or is it easier to target those who look more unique? ;) It's all a blur
  • Score: 8

7:57pm Thu 6 Feb 14

barrie timpson says...

So are we saying that we should just allow any sport in the town centre?
Archery? That's safe if done properly...
Rugby? Football? What else can we have? Horse racing?
We can't really say no because if we let the skateboarders use it then why should anybody else not? Or should they have exclusivity?

I think this town is the nearest you get get to living in Twin Peaks.
So are we saying that we should just allow any sport in the town centre? Archery? That's safe if done properly... Rugby? Football? What else can we have? Horse racing? We can't really say no because if we let the skateboarders use it then why should anybody else not? Or should they have exclusivity? I think this town is the nearest you get get to living in Twin Peaks. barrie timpson
  • Score: -2

8:12pm Thu 6 Feb 14

jumperr says...

This is getting beyond a joke no skateboarding where there could be a danger to anybody.
This is getting beyond a joke no skateboarding where there could be a danger to anybody. jumperr
  • Score: -5

9:37pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Nickie Claire says...

If people don't want kids to skate in town center then make skate parks safer for children. One of my friends has been sexually assaulted at Victoria park and I have been beaten up on multiple occasions at Victoria park as have both of my older brothers. There are no CCTV cameras there and the skate park is rusting because it is not being considered by the council to be looked after. Before skaters can be banned from skating at church square the council should be spending their money on making skate parks a safer place to be. There should be 24hr CCTV as well as toilet facilities and facilities to get food and drink. Skate parks do not have the variety that simple streets and the town center has. People think that skaters only need ramps but they don't. Skaters like a variety of things to practice various tricks on. The town center provides this. Instead of a constant back and forth between the skaters and the council, maybe the council should be asking the skaters what THEY want and actually take their opinions into account before taking action based on what they think they know about skaters. Skaters should be allowed to skate after 5pm when the shops close as that is mainly the time that they congregate there anyway. The only skaters there through the day are college students that use their skateboard as a mode of transport to food stores to get their lunch and return to college.The groups that the skaters are being put into one with are the people who sit on the benches doing drugs who do not like the skaters and do not talk to the skaters.
If people don't want kids to skate in town center then make skate parks safer for children. One of my friends has been sexually assaulted at Victoria park and I have been beaten up on multiple occasions at Victoria park as have both of my older brothers. There are no CCTV cameras there and the skate park is rusting because it is not being considered by the council to be looked after. Before skaters can be banned from skating at church square the council should be spending their money on making skate parks a safer place to be. There should be 24hr CCTV as well as toilet facilities and facilities to get food and drink. Skate parks do not have the variety that simple streets and the town center has. People think that skaters only need ramps but they don't. Skaters like a variety of things to practice various tricks on. The town center provides this. Instead of a constant back and forth between the skaters and the council, maybe the council should be asking the skaters what THEY want and actually take their opinions into account before taking action based on what they think they know about skaters. Skaters should be allowed to skate after 5pm when the shops close as that is mainly the time that they congregate there anyway. The only skaters there through the day are college students that use their skateboard as a mode of transport to food stores to get their lunch and return to college.The groups that the skaters are being put into one with are the people who sit on the benches doing drugs who do not like the skaters and do not talk to the skaters. Nickie Claire
  • Score: 7

12:04am Fri 7 Feb 14

Sankey says...

They are doing no harm live and let live
They are doing no harm live and let live Sankey
  • Score: 8

9:50am Fri 7 Feb 14

It's all a blur says...

My point was that if the skate parks were made safer so these kids could use them, then there wouldn't be an issue about them being in the town centre, they would be happy to use the skate parks.
It is great having the skate parks and facilities for the kids, as long as they feel safe enough to go there, if they don't they will never use them and always be in the town centre.
My point was that if the skate parks were made safer so these kids could use them, then there wouldn't be an issue about them being in the town centre, they would be happy to use the skate parks. It is great having the skate parks and facilities for the kids, as long as they feel safe enough to go there, if they don't they will never use them and always be in the town centre. It's all a blur
  • Score: 6

12:13pm Fri 7 Feb 14

peterxu says...

The Tories cut funding for the poor – and won't rule out tax cuts for the rich
The 25 most deprived local authorities are being forced to shoulder a disproportionally large share of funding cuts
The Tories cut funding for the poor – and won't rule out tax cuts for the rich The 25 most deprived local authorities are being forced to shoulder a disproportionally large share of funding cuts peterxu
  • Score: -5

12:14pm Fri 7 Feb 14

peterxu says...

At a time when carers, the disabled, single mums, war widows and veterans are having to pay more council tax and the hated bedroom tax, Cameron refuses to rule out cutting the top rate of tax yet again. This tells you all you need to know about whose side he is on.
At a time when carers, the disabled, single mums, war widows and veterans are having to pay more council tax and the hated bedroom tax, Cameron refuses to rule out cutting the top rate of tax yet again. This tells you all you need to know about whose side he is on. peterxu
  • Score: -6

1:43pm Fri 7 Feb 14

upstart says...

I am 74 and say leave those kids alone, though skateboarding on Church Square must be as exciting as surfing in the bath.
I am 74 and say leave those kids alone, though skateboarding on Church Square must be as exciting as surfing in the bath. upstart
  • Score: 7

3:17pm Fri 7 Feb 14

barrie timpson says...

You know what , all things considered I can understand why they feel victimised. There's a lot worse going on it town. I've had a change of heart - let them stay.

At least they're doing something productive with their time instead of selling drugs. Good luck to them.
You know what , all things considered I can understand why they feel victimised. There's a lot worse going on it town. I've had a change of heart - let them stay. At least they're doing something productive with their time instead of selling drugs. Good luck to them. barrie timpson
  • Score: 9

6:27pm Fri 7 Feb 14

barrie timpson says...

peterxu wrote:
The Tories cut funding for the poor – and won't rule out tax cuts for the rich
The 25 most deprived local authorities are being forced to shoulder a disproportionally large share of funding cuts
Peter are you feeling OK? This is the 4th post that you've put that on , another thread that has nothing to do with it?
[quote][p][bold]peterxu[/bold] wrote: The Tories cut funding for the poor – and won't rule out tax cuts for the rich The 25 most deprived local authorities are being forced to shoulder a disproportionally large share of funding cuts[/p][/quote]Peter are you feeling OK? This is the 4th post that you've put that on , another thread that has nothing to do with it? barrie timpson
  • Score: 3

6:33pm Fri 7 Feb 14

jumperr says...

What's up with the retail parks?
What's up with the retail parks? jumperr
  • Score: 0

11:01pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Brian and Pam says...

We attend the Parish Church and are often greeted by affable, friendly skateboarders in Church Square. They are invariably quiet, using the area when few others do, and always sensitive to others around them. Some of them come into Church every now and again, where they are, I hope, always made to feel welcome. When there are other groups around town who cause such disruption, litter and awful mess - involving considerable police presence and routine clean-up operations, you have to ask why is the Council straining gnats and swallowing camels? Sort out the real dangers to our society and community, the alcohol abuse, noise, pollution and health risks that come from excessive drinking. Leave these youngsters to enjoy their harmless pastime and sort out some real issues! I hope they all remember to vote!
We attend the Parish Church and are often greeted by affable, friendly skateboarders in Church Square. They are invariably quiet, using the area when few others do, and always sensitive to others around them. Some of them come into Church every now and again, where they are, I hope, always made to feel welcome. When there are other groups around town who cause such disruption, litter and awful mess - involving considerable police presence and routine clean-up operations, you have to ask why is the Council straining gnats and swallowing camels? Sort out the real dangers to our society and community, the alcohol abuse, noise, pollution and health risks that come from excessive drinking. Leave these youngsters to enjoy their harmless pastime and sort out some real issues! I hope they all remember to vote! Brian and Pam
  • Score: 9

11:46pm Fri 7 Feb 14

norm says...

I say leave the skate-boarders alone. We are in more danger from the 'biddies' on scooters who ride straight at you!
I say leave the skate-boarders alone. We are in more danger from the 'biddies' on scooters who ride straight at you! norm
  • Score: 7

11:14am Sat 8 Feb 14

peterxu says...

The Tory want ban everything that is harmless!
The Tory want ban everything that is harmless! peterxu
  • Score: -13

2:54pm Sat 8 Feb 14

barrie timpson says...

What are you on about Peter?
What are you on about Peter? barrie timpson
  • Score: 5

8:44am Sun 9 Feb 14

jumperr says...

Skate parks are made for skating shopping centres are for ?
Skate parks are made for skating shopping centres are for ? jumperr
  • Score: -4

7:27am Mon 10 Feb 14

jumperr says...

If people are getting harassed why don't they phone the police if they are in the park skating or anything else.
If people are getting harassed why don't they phone the police if they are in the park skating or anything else. jumperr
  • Score: 0

9:42am Mon 10 Feb 14

Thurman says...

7:27am Mon 10 Feb 14
jumperr says...

If people are getting harassed why don't they phone the police if they are in the park skating or anything else.

And what should they do in the three hours they wait for the police to turn up?
7:27am Mon 10 Feb 14 jumperr says... If people are getting harassed why don't they phone the police if they are in the park skating or anything else. And what should they do in the three hours they wait for the police to turn up? Thurman
  • Score: 3

1:06pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Les Teeling says...

typical of this Councils attitude to the ordinary folk of this town if we had not created a concrete jungle in Church Sq & outside Grunwald towers the problem that these skateboarders are so called creating would not be there it is the Council that decided to place pedestrian areas in these locations and through their own shortsightedness now need to spend needlessly on bringing in a Bye Law what about those who ride their bikes on the pedestrian highways are we going to stop these just leave these people alone and let them get on using their energy as they see fit without the use of any drug
typical of this Councils attitude to the ordinary folk of this town if we had not created a concrete jungle in Church Sq & outside Grunwald towers the problem that these skateboarders are so called creating would not be there it is the Council that decided to place pedestrian areas in these locations and through their own shortsightedness now need to spend needlessly on bringing in a Bye Law what about those who ride their bikes on the pedestrian highways are we going to stop these just leave these people alone and let them get on using their energy as they see fit without the use of any drug Les Teeling
  • Score: 4

2:16pm Mon 10 Feb 14

jumperr says...

A bye law is not needed,wrong place to do it,if people cannot see that,well anything should be allowed .
A bye law is not needed,wrong place to do it,if people cannot see that,well anything should be allowed . jumperr
  • Score: 0

4:15pm Mon 10 Feb 14

moonman77 says...

I cant believe people on here are supporting skateboarding in our town centre. They are unwanted show off pests who discourage shoppers. Get them off the streets.
I cant believe people on here are supporting skateboarding in our town centre. They are unwanted show off pests who discourage shoppers. Get them off the streets. moonman77
  • Score: -4

11:59pm Mon 10 Feb 14

wingsofhate says...

it's all well and good having all the skate parks St. Helens dose but how many people here actually know how crowed these parks are? did you know even if it was not the abuse that goes on at these facilities there is the issue of space at each skate park as each skate park is expected to be used by the skaters, the bmxers, those on scooters and the free runners. The parks just are not big enough for it to be safe i know i would not let my child at one of these skate parks if all these sports were going on at the same time, because it just takes one of these parties to fall and at lest one of them is going to hospital, if they were all together and as for separating the parks? well did you no not all skaters can skate vert (ramps) so even then the street skates don't have much going for them. but a word of encouragement to all those involved in the sports listed who are reading this keep doing what you do it nice to see St. Helens youth has talent :)
it's all well and good having all the skate parks St. Helens dose but how many people here actually know how crowed these parks are? did you know even if it was not the abuse that goes on at these facilities there is the issue of space at each skate park as each skate park is expected to be used by the skaters, the bmxers, those on scooters and the free runners. The parks just are not big enough for it to be safe i know i would not let my child at one of these skate parks if all these sports were going on at the same time, because it just takes one of these parties to fall and at lest one of them is going to hospital, if they were all together and as for separating the parks? well did you no not all skaters can skate vert (ramps) so even then the street skates don't have much going for them. but a word of encouragement to all those involved in the sports listed who are reading this keep doing what you do it nice to see St. Helens youth has talent :) wingsofhate
  • Score: 1

5:34pm Tue 11 Feb 14

S&M-Airlines says...

This is an utterly pathetic yet unsurprising ploy from the bully boys, picking on youths instead of targetting actual criminal activity within the town. If the council would have supported my friend Graham Hankinson in support of his change of use application for an indoor skate park then they wouldn't have to skateboard in Church Square, not that them skateboarding there is an issue in the slightest anyway. The "skate park" at Victoria Park is awful and dangerous and does not merit being called a skate park, who ever designed it was obviously not involved in the skateboarding community in the slightest, it's very tacky and basic. It's about time St. Helens has a proper skate park.

Keep skating there folks, wether there's a ban or not, don't let them grind youdown. People think that the function of the police is to fight crime, butthat isn't true, the function of the police is social control and protection of property.
This is an utterly pathetic yet unsurprising ploy from the bully boys, picking on youths instead of targetting actual criminal activity within the town. If the council would have supported my friend Graham Hankinson in support of his change of use application for an indoor skate park then they wouldn't have to skateboard in Church Square, not that them skateboarding there is an issue in the slightest anyway. The "skate park" at Victoria Park is awful and dangerous and does not merit being called a skate park, who ever designed it was obviously not involved in the skateboarding community in the slightest, it's very tacky and basic. It's about time St. Helens has a proper skate park. Keep skating there folks, wether there's a ban or not, don't let them grind youdown. People think that the function of the police is to fight crime, butthat isn't true, the function of the police is social control and protection of property. S&M-Airlines
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5:40pm Tue 11 Feb 14

jumperr says...

You're are definitely right the police have better things to do ,skate in the right place and they will.
You're are definitely right the police have better things to do ,skate in the right place and they will. jumperr
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7:25pm Tue 11 Feb 14

barrie timpson says...

I'm not sure the council or the taxpayer will be to keen on making another skate park. Maybe it would be an idea for the council to try and find another private investor for an indoor park.

If the outdoor parks are no good they may as well scrap them and turn them into something else??
I'm not sure the council or the taxpayer will be to keen on making another skate park. Maybe it would be an idea for the council to try and find another private investor for an indoor park. If the outdoor parks are no good they may as well scrap them and turn them into something else?? barrie timpson
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7:48pm Tue 11 Feb 14

jumperr says...

Good idea !
Good idea ! jumperr
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9:59am Wed 12 Feb 14

epson says...

If they drive away the well behaved skating youths from town, you are still left with large groups of youths hanging around. Who are they going to target then? Are they going to ban anyone with jeans not pulled up, or anyone who looks "a bit shifty"?
Let's face it, they don't do any harm and at least their parents know that they are safe. Young people have always gathered in groups and always will and I have not read a letter yet stating that they have done anybody any harm.
Leave them alone. Concentrate funds on actual crime or improving St Helens.
If they drive away the well behaved skating youths from town, you are still left with large groups of youths hanging around. Who are they going to target then? Are they going to ban anyone with jeans not pulled up, or anyone who looks "a bit shifty"? Let's face it, they don't do any harm and at least their parents know that they are safe. Young people have always gathered in groups and always will and I have not read a letter yet stating that they have done anybody any harm. Leave them alone. Concentrate funds on actual crime or improving St Helens. epson
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11:21am Wed 12 Feb 14

jumperr says...

In a shopping centre with skateboards when you've got it wrong in my opinion.
In a shopping centre with skateboards when you've got it wrong in my opinion. jumperr
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2:13pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Sankey says...

What harm are they doing ?
What harm are they doing ? Sankey
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2:34pm Wed 12 Feb 14

jumperr says...

Sometimes you expect better,but nothing surprises.
Sometimes you expect better,but nothing surprises. jumperr
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