Alarm call halves wasted journeys for St Helens firefighters

St Helens Star: Alarm response change cuts wasted journeys Alarm response change cuts wasted journeys

CHANGES in how firefighters respond to automatic fire alarms has slashed the number of wasted journeys by more than half.

Since a risk based approach was introduced just over a year ago St Helens-based crews attended 133 false alarms from AFAs. This compares to 378 false alarms call outs from AFAs over the previous 12 months.

That’s a 64.8% reduction in the number of false alarms attended by firefighters across the St Helens district following the introduction of a system on November 1 where all AFA activations were challenged by the Fire & Rescue Service control room 24 hours a day.

A spokeseman for Merseyside Fire & Rescue Service said: “In the event of an alarm activating, a fire appliance is not being sent unless a fire is confirmed or there are physical signs of a fire. If anyone sees, hears or smells a fire they should call 999.

“We have seen a 50% reduction across Merseyside so far in false alarms. Our risk-based approach is reducing the disruption caused to business as well as to us. The fewer false alarms our firefighters are attending, the more community safety work, training and risk identification visits they can do.

“At a time of reducing resources and budgets, this is about having the resources ready and available for actual emergencies.”

Full emergency response is being maintained to all domestic dwellings, sheltered accommodation and homes with multiple occupants. Hospitals, hotels and nursing and residential homes will receive an immediate overnight response between 7.30pm and 7.30am.

The phased approach saw calls from AFAs challenged by the Merseyside control room between 7.30am and 7.30pm from October 31, 2012, to October 31, 2013. Calls have been checked 24-hours a day since November 1 this year and for the first four weeks of November firefighters attended seven false alarms in St Helens.

False alarms, classed as Unwanted Fire Signals, had increased by 13.7% over the past five years and accounted for 26.7% of all calls to Merseyside’s 26 community fire stations.

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10:11am Tue 31 Dec 13

smith&weston says...

So they are actually doing less work whilst planning for their next series of strikes.... you couldn't make it up.
So they are actually doing less work whilst planning for their next series of strikes.... you couldn't make it up. smith&weston

12:38am Thu 2 Jan 14

widnesman says...

smith&weston wrote:
So they are actually doing less work whilst planning for their next series of strikes.... you couldn't make it up.
If ever your house is on fire, these people will be passing you running into the flames, while your running out!
They're worth every penny of the pension they are fighting for!!
[quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: So they are actually doing less work whilst planning for their next series of strikes.... you couldn't make it up.[/p][/quote]If ever your house is on fire, these people will be passing you running into the flames, while your running out! They're worth every penny of the pension they are fighting for!! widnesman

8:21am Thu 2 Jan 14

Keva68 says...

widnesman wrote:
smith&weston wrote:
So they are actually doing less work whilst planning for their next series of strikes.... you couldn't make it up.
If ever your house is on fire, these people will be passing you running into the flames, while your running out!
They're worth every penny of the pension they are fighting for!!
It's more likely I will be running out getting a bucket of water as they will probably be stood outside the firestatiion striking for that ridiculous pension they want.
And they are worth no more than the Armed Forces who get nothing like they do.
[quote][p][bold]widnesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: So they are actually doing less work whilst planning for their next series of strikes.... you couldn't make it up.[/p][/quote]If ever your house is on fire, these people will be passing you running into the flames, while your running out! They're worth every penny of the pension they are fighting for!![/p][/quote]It's more likely I will be running out getting a bucket of water as they will probably be stood outside the firestatiion striking for that ridiculous pension they want. And they are worth no more than the Armed Forces who get nothing like they do. Keva68

4:51pm Thu 2 Jan 14

jimstevo says...

Keva68 wrote:
widnesman wrote:
smith&weston wrote:
So they are actually doing less work whilst planning for their next series of strikes.... you couldn't make it up.
If ever your house is on fire, these people will be passing you running into the flames, while your running out!
They're worth every penny of the pension they are fighting for!!
It's more likely I will be running out getting a bucket of water as they will probably be stood outside the firestatiion striking for that ridiculous pension they want.
And they are worth no more than the Armed Forces who get nothing like they do.
For your information(don't let the truth get in the way of a rant),Armed Forces Personnel do not have to pay anything for their Pension as it is a 'Non-Contributory' Scheme. Where as Firefighters are paying 13% of their Monthly Salary for theirs! Also the Fire Service was a career that many people from the Armed Forces used to join when they completed their Service,this has now stopped because the number of firefighters has been slashed (on Merseyside by over 50%) and no recruitment is taking place!
St Helens Fire Station only has 1 Fire Appliance now and over the Whole of the Brigade the number of Pumps has been reduced from 42 to 26! The question needs to be asked where is all the Council Tax money we pay to MFRS going,as the Precept keeps going up every year,The Budget keeps going up every year but the workforce has be decimated! We are still all paying for the same amount for our Fire Service but now getting a Service only slightly better than 'Trumpton'!
This a workforce (whats left of them )trying to fight for their Pay and Conditions! Maybe if a few more workers had done the same over the years instead of 'Moaning' to the local paper ,this Town and Region would not be in the state it is now!
[quote][p][bold]Keva68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]widnesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: So they are actually doing less work whilst planning for their next series of strikes.... you couldn't make it up.[/p][/quote]If ever your house is on fire, these people will be passing you running into the flames, while your running out! They're worth every penny of the pension they are fighting for!![/p][/quote]It's more likely I will be running out getting a bucket of water as they will probably be stood outside the firestatiion striking for that ridiculous pension they want. And they are worth no more than the Armed Forces who get nothing like they do.[/p][/quote]For your information(don't let the truth get in the way of a rant),Armed Forces Personnel do not have to pay anything for their Pension as it is a 'Non-Contributory' Scheme. Where as Firefighters are paying 13% of their Monthly Salary for theirs! Also the Fire Service was a career that many people from the Armed Forces used to join when they completed their Service,this has now stopped because the number of firefighters has been slashed (on Merseyside by over 50%) and no recruitment is taking place! St Helens Fire Station only has 1 Fire Appliance now and over the Whole of the Brigade the number of Pumps has been reduced from 42 to 26! The question needs to be asked where is all the Council Tax money we pay to MFRS going,as the Precept keeps going up every year,The Budget keeps going up every year but the workforce has be decimated! We are still all paying for the same amount for our Fire Service but now getting a Service only slightly better than 'Trumpton'! This a workforce (whats left of them )trying to fight for their Pay and Conditions! Maybe if a few more workers had done the same over the years instead of 'Moaning' to the local paper ,this Town and Region would not be in the state it is now! jimstevo

7:31pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Keva68 says...

Part of the reason the town is in such a mess is Unions such as the Fbu asking for unrealistic pay an pension demands therefore making them uncompetitive.
The Fbu are always stating the changes are risking public safety but are willing to stand on the picket line doing the same themselves whilst we the public are at risk.
We are all having to work longer, having pay frozen and facing increased living costs in these difficult times.This includes other public sector workers such as nurses the police and the armed forces.
Either we all go on strike and bring the country to a standstill without a care for the more vulnerable in society or get realistic and look at the economy.
Firefighters should be thankful of the still attractive package they are being offered and get back to work.
Part of the reason the town is in such a mess is Unions such as the Fbu asking for unrealistic pay an pension demands therefore making them uncompetitive. The Fbu are always stating the changes are risking public safety but are willing to stand on the picket line doing the same themselves whilst we the public are at risk. We are all having to work longer, having pay frozen and facing increased living costs in these difficult times.This includes other public sector workers such as nurses the police and the armed forces. Either we all go on strike and bring the country to a standstill without a care for the more vulnerable in society or get realistic and look at the economy. Firefighters should be thankful of the still attractive package they are being offered and get back to work. Keva68

12:27pm Fri 3 Jan 14

jimstevo says...

Once again the 'Negative Oracles' of St Helens have spoken! They know everything about every subject and are always right! Great attitude! "Let's all just give in and continue with the Drive to the Bottom"!
Once again the 'Negative Oracles' of St Helens have spoken! They know everything about every subject and are always right! Great attitude! "Let's all just give in and continue with the Drive to the Bottom"! jimstevo

2:18pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Keva68 says...

jimstevo wrote:
Once again the 'Negative Oracles' of St Helens have spoken! They know everything about every subject and are always right! Great attitude! "Let's all just give in and continue with the Drive to the Bottom"!
No your right lets just stand outside our workplaces on strike watching them go to ruin whilst we wait for our ridiculous demands to be met.
[quote][p][bold]jimstevo[/bold] wrote: Once again the 'Negative Oracles' of St Helens have spoken! They know everything about every subject and are always right! Great attitude! "Let's all just give in and continue with the Drive to the Bottom"![/p][/quote]No your right lets just stand outside our workplaces on strike watching them go to ruin whilst we wait for our ridiculous demands to be met. Keva68

3:02pm Fri 3 Jan 14

jimstevo says...

It's a "ridiculous demand' to fight having your Retirement Age increased in a physically demanding job is it? Not only that if say ,when you are 57 and unable to meet the fitness standard you will be put out of the job on 'Capability' and your Pension will be frozen until you reach the State retirement age which will be another 10 years or more! No female firefighter in this Country as actually reached the 55 years old retirement age at present,never mind 60!
What other occupation do they expect someone at the age of 59 to have the same fitness standard as a 29 year old?That's whats expected in the Fire Service if this change goes ahead ,there are no 'backroom' jobs now,everyone is on the 'Frontline' fighting fires! Don't see many soldiers in there late 50's fighting in the British Army!
It's a "ridiculous demand' to fight having your Retirement Age increased in a physically demanding job is it? Not only that if say ,when you are 57 and unable to meet the fitness standard you will be put out of the job on 'Capability' and your Pension will be frozen until you reach the State retirement age which will be another 10 years or more! No female firefighter in this Country as actually reached the 55 years old retirement age at present,never mind 60! What other occupation do they expect someone at the age of 59 to have the same fitness standard as a 29 year old?That's whats expected in the Fire Service if this change goes ahead ,there are no 'backroom' jobs now,everyone is on the 'Frontline' fighting fires! Don't see many soldiers in there late 50's fighting in the British Army! jimstevo

4:58pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Keva68 says...

jimstevo wrote:
It's a "ridiculous demand' to fight having your Retirement Age increased in a physically demanding job is it? Not only that if say ,when you are 57 and unable to meet the fitness standard you will be put out of the job on 'Capability' and your Pension will be frozen until you reach the State retirement age which will be another 10 years or more! No female firefighter in this Country as actually reached the 55 years old retirement age at present,never mind 60!
What other occupation do they expect someone at the age of 59 to have the same fitness standard as a 29 year old?That's whats expected in the Fire Service if this change goes ahead ,there are no 'backroom' jobs now,everyone is on the 'Frontline' fighting fires! Don't see many soldiers in there late 50's fighting in the British Army!
The firefighters in other European countries don't seem to have much of a problem working until 60 what makes Uk firefighters any different.
As for physical fitness most of the country will have to work until 68,we don't all sit behind desks.We have to maintain our physical health to enable us to do our jobs and secure our income or lose it.
As you also pointed out industry has been decimated so surely we do not need the same level of cover as there is no industry to protect anymore.
And please do not try to draw any comparison between our Brave armed forces doing a job a lot more difficult than firefighters on less pay,less pension and a lot less rights.
[quote][p][bold]jimstevo[/bold] wrote: It's a "ridiculous demand' to fight having your Retirement Age increased in a physically demanding job is it? Not only that if say ,when you are 57 and unable to meet the fitness standard you will be put out of the job on 'Capability' and your Pension will be frozen until you reach the State retirement age which will be another 10 years or more! No female firefighter in this Country as actually reached the 55 years old retirement age at present,never mind 60! What other occupation do they expect someone at the age of 59 to have the same fitness standard as a 29 year old?That's whats expected in the Fire Service if this change goes ahead ,there are no 'backroom' jobs now,everyone is on the 'Frontline' fighting fires! Don't see many soldiers in there late 50's fighting in the British Army![/p][/quote]The firefighters in other European countries don't seem to have much of a problem working until 60 what makes Uk firefighters any different. As for physical fitness most of the country will have to work until 68,we don't all sit behind desks.We have to maintain our physical health to enable us to do our jobs and secure our income or lose it. As you also pointed out industry has been decimated so surely we do not need the same level of cover as there is no industry to protect anymore. And please do not try to draw any comparison between our Brave armed forces doing a job a lot more difficult than firefighters on less pay,less pension and a lot less rights. Keva68

9:58pm Fri 3 Jan 14

jimstevo says...

'Keva68' ,Excuse me but it was you that compared the Armed Forces with the Fire Service! Maybe if they were able to to fight for their Conditions of Service as well as fight for us ,they would have better pay ,pension and treatment when they leave the Forces! The only comparison that I made was that the Army Pension Scheme is 'Non-Contributory' and the Fire Service pay 13% towards their Pension. By the way the average age for soldiers is 20 and the oldest soldier in Afghanistan is 50 years old and he is in Bomb Disposal . And please don't say that I am showing any disrespect to our Armed Forces ,they are doing the job that they chose to do and I am defending a job that I worked in for on the frontline for 30 years in St Helens(until I retired at 55), not slagging off any other job or anyone else in other occupations that I do not know about!
'Keva68' ,Excuse me but it was you that compared the Armed Forces with the Fire Service! Maybe if they were able to to fight for their Conditions of Service as well as fight for us ,they would have better pay ,pension and treatment when they leave the Forces! The only comparison that I made was that the Army Pension Scheme is 'Non-Contributory' and the Fire Service pay 13% towards their Pension. By the way the average age for soldiers is 20 and the oldest soldier in Afghanistan is 50 years old and he is in Bomb Disposal . And please don't say that I am showing any disrespect to our Armed Forces ,they are doing the job that they chose to do and I am defending a job that I worked in for on the frontline for 30 years in St Helens(until I retired at 55), not slagging off any other job or anyone else in other occupations that I do not know about! jimstevo

11:01am Sat 4 Jan 14

Keva68 says...

Again firefighters in other EU countries work past 55 what makes UK firefighters any different.
And firefighters are doing the job they chose to do also ,13% is nothing compared to the massive pension pot they receive.
As for slagging the job off ,most would say the public have a right to comment on where the taxes they pay are being spent.
Maybe the way forward would be to withdraw the pension totally ,give them a standard state pension.Then all you would need to do is give them any funds paid in to invest in a private pension and a 13% pay rise.
Then let them retire at 55 on whatever that gets them ,somehow think they may volunteer to work until 68 then
The current pension is over generous and ridiculous and they will get very little public support on this.
Again firefighters in other EU countries work past 55 what makes UK firefighters any different. And firefighters are doing the job they chose to do also ,13% is nothing compared to the massive pension pot they receive. As for slagging the job off ,most would say the public have a right to comment on where the taxes they pay are being spent. Maybe the way forward would be to withdraw the pension totally ,give them a standard state pension.Then all you would need to do is give them any funds paid in to invest in a private pension and a 13% pay rise. Then let them retire at 55 on whatever that gets them ,somehow think they may volunteer to work until 68 then The current pension is over generous and ridiculous and they will get very little public support on this. Keva68

11:54am Sat 4 Jan 14

jimstevo says...

'Keva68'! I may be wrong but I think you are not a lover of the Fire Service! Just getting that impression!Would be nice to know what occupation you are in,so I can pull that to pieces!
'Keva68'! I may be wrong but I think you are not a lover of the Fire Service! Just getting that impression!Would be nice to know what occupation you are in,so I can pull that to pieces! jimstevo

8:27pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Keva68 says...

jimstevo wrote:
'Keva68'! I may be wrong but I think you are not a lover of the Fire Service! Just getting that impression!Would be nice to know what occupation you are in,so I can pull that to pieces!
I actually work in the private sector in a physically demanding job.A job I will be doing until I am 68 and responsibly maintaining my health an fitness to protect my income as the firefighters should do until 60.
I do not have a dislike of the fire service just as a responsible tax payer I would like my taxes spent prudently.Not being used to pay people for standing outside the workplace hands in pockets risking public safety.
As an off note the business I work for is very successful in the tough economic climate due to the employees working with the employer not against it.
[quote][p][bold]jimstevo[/bold] wrote: 'Keva68'! I may be wrong but I think you are not a lover of the Fire Service! Just getting that impression!Would be nice to know what occupation you are in,so I can pull that to pieces![/p][/quote]I actually work in the private sector in a physically demanding job.A job I will be doing until I am 68 and responsibly maintaining my health an fitness to protect my income as the firefighters should do until 60. I do not have a dislike of the fire service just as a responsible tax payer I would like my taxes spent prudently.Not being used to pay people for standing outside the workplace hands in pockets risking public safety. As an off note the business I work for is very successful in the tough economic climate due to the employees working with the employer not against it. Keva68

10:27am Sun 5 Jan 14

chasmcn says...

As A tax payer iam happy for my taxes to pay people to keep me safe and well as i dont have the cash to pay for all this if it was private which by the way things are looking how long will it be before i have a plaque out side my door saying i have fire insurance ,a credit card to pay for my health when the private ambulance picks me up ,as i am middle age what will my future look like as we let our politicians take from us that most of them take for granted i have worked all my life looking forward to reaching 65 now the goal posts are moved i paid for my retirement its not a benefit its my entitlement by the time i retire after 50 years of paying in why are we letting our politicians get away with this TAX the corporations that are paying nothing but they wont do that as the same politicians are looking after them selves and we are sleep walking into to this WAKE UP people .
As A tax payer iam happy for my taxes to pay people to keep me safe and well as i dont have the cash to pay for all this if it was private which by the way things are looking how long will it be before i have a plaque out side my door saying i have fire insurance ,a credit card to pay for my health when the private ambulance picks me up ,as i am middle age what will my future look like as we let our politicians take from us that most of them take for granted i have worked all my life looking forward to reaching 65 now the goal posts are moved i paid for my retirement its not a benefit its my entitlement by the time i retire after 50 years of paying in why are we letting our politicians get away with this TAX the corporations that are paying nothing but they wont do that as the same politicians are looking after them selves and we are sleep walking into to this WAKE UP people . chasmcn

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