Motorcyclist airlifted to hospital with serious head injuries

St Helens Star: Motorcyclist airlifted to hospital with serious head injuries Motorcyclist airlifted to hospital with serious head injuries

A MOTORCYCLIST suffered serious head injuries following a traffic collision on Rainford by-pass.

The man who is in his 40s was taken to Fazakerley Hospital by air ambulance following the incident involving a car and mototbike at about 3.10pm on Sunday (December 9) near Moss Nook Lane.

The road was closed while police collision investigators attended the scene.

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7:07pm Mon 9 Dec 13

smith&weston says...

Sundays on the bypass now resemble a stage of the TT with motorcyclists gathering in great numbers at the Windle Island coffee shop before starting their unofficial time trials on it. Therefor it comes as no surprise to find that the latest accident on there involved a motor cycle
Sundays on the bypass now resemble a stage of the TT with motorcyclists gathering in great numbers at the Windle Island coffee shop before starting their unofficial time trials on it. Therefor it comes as no surprise to find that the latest accident on there involved a motor cycle smith&weston

9:42pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Mrs Rabbit says...

It came as no surprise to us to read a motorcyclist had been involved in an accident along that stretch of road. Several weeks ago were traveling along the bypass with a restricted speed limit in operation and the right hand lane closed. Two motorbikes were not content in following the rules of the road that day and not only did they overtake several cars when unsafe to do so but they weaved in and out of the coned area in order to pass others who were sticking to the speed limit. I know motorists are asked to think bike (which is the correct thing to do) but sometimes the bikers also need to think car. I know on this occasion we do not know the full facts of who was or wasn't at fault but some bikers do disregard other road users along this stretch of road.
It came as no surprise to us to read a motorcyclist had been involved in an accident along that stretch of road. Several weeks ago were traveling along the bypass with a restricted speed limit in operation and the right hand lane closed. Two motorbikes were not content in following the rules of the road that day and not only did they overtake several cars when unsafe to do so but they weaved in and out of the coned area in order to pass others who were sticking to the speed limit. I know motorists are asked to think bike (which is the correct thing to do) but sometimes the bikers also need to think car. I know on this occasion we do not know the full facts of who was or wasn't at fault but some bikers do disregard other road users along this stretch of road. Mrs Rabbit

10:19pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Keva68 says...

As in everything there is a minority of individuals who don't obey the rules of the road.But this could be the car drivers fault as you don't know the facts so just to automatically think it's the motorcyclists fault because they have a hobby and gather with clubs is ridiculous.
As in everything there is a minority of individuals who don't obey the rules of the road.But this could be the car drivers fault as you don't know the facts so just to automatically think it's the motorcyclists fault because they have a hobby and gather with clubs is ridiculous. Keva68

2:07pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Daisy83 says...

Well actually on this occasion it was the car drivers fault for being too hasty and cutting across the dual carriage way in the gap to turn right rather than being patient and using the roundabout like other drivers. The road is a national speed limit road and ALL drivers should be more careful before making rash decisions that evidently have potential horrific consequences. Also for information of the star the motorcyclist was not taken by air ambulance, yes it was present but after being treated at the scene he was transported to hospital via the ambulance vehicle.
Well actually on this occasion it was the car drivers fault for being too hasty and cutting across the dual carriage way in the gap to turn right rather than being patient and using the roundabout like other drivers. The road is a national speed limit road and ALL drivers should be more careful before making rash decisions that evidently have potential horrific consequences. Also for information of the star the motorcyclist was not taken by air ambulance, yes it was present but after being treated at the scene he was transported to hospital via the ambulance vehicle. Daisy83

3:57pm Tue 10 Dec 13

smith&weston says...

And Ill bet he looked to his left first before crossing the carriage way but due to the speed that bikes attain on this stretch of road, they can be up on you in the blink of an eye. Show me a motorcyclist that keeps to the national speed limit on the by pass and I'll show you the real Santa Claus. I have witnessed these bikers tearing up and down the Rainford bypass on Sunday after Sunday but have yet to see any sign of a police operation to bring this deadly game to a halt.
And Ill bet he looked to his left first before crossing the carriage way but due to the speed that bikes attain on this stretch of road, they can be up on you in the blink of an eye. Show me a motorcyclist that keeps to the national speed limit on the by pass and I'll show you the real Santa Claus. I have witnessed these bikers tearing up and down the Rainford bypass on Sunday after Sunday but have yet to see any sign of a police operation to bring this deadly game to a halt. smith&weston

4:17pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Daisy83 says...

The point is Smith & Weston 'she' should not have been making that turn in that particular spot regardless of what speed the motorcyclist was doing, and so now due to her stupidity, and yes 'possibly' but definitely not 'presumably' the bikers speed, a terrible accident has happened yet again. Like I said earlier something for ALL drivers to take into account.
The point is Smith & Weston 'she' should not have been making that turn in that particular spot regardless of what speed the motorcyclist was doing, and so now due to her stupidity, and yes 'possibly' but definitely not 'presumably' the bikers speed, a terrible accident has happened yet again. Like I said earlier something for ALL drivers to take into account. Daisy83

6:31pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Keva68 says...

smith&weston wrote:
And Ill bet he looked to his left first before crossing the carriage way but due to the speed that bikes attain on this stretch of road, they can be up on you in the blink of an eye. Show me a motorcyclist that keeps to the national speed limit on the by pass and I'll show you the real Santa Claus. I have witnessed these bikers tearing up and down the Rainford bypass on Sunday after Sunday but have yet to see any sign of a police operation to bring this deadly game to a halt.
So you have never witnessed car drivers speeding on the bypass ,and you also know the car driver looked left without being there.
Who needs accident investigations or speed traps they can just phone you:-)
[quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: And Ill bet he looked to his left first before crossing the carriage way but due to the speed that bikes attain on this stretch of road, they can be up on you in the blink of an eye. Show me a motorcyclist that keeps to the national speed limit on the by pass and I'll show you the real Santa Claus. I have witnessed these bikers tearing up and down the Rainford bypass on Sunday after Sunday but have yet to see any sign of a police operation to bring this deadly game to a halt.[/p][/quote]So you have never witnessed car drivers speeding on the bypass ,and you also know the car driver looked left without being there. Who needs accident investigations or speed traps they can just phone you:-) Keva68

8:15pm Tue 10 Dec 13

Star_reader says...

Good and bad drivers and riders everywhere, BUT also worth a read are the results of the report Equity Red Star completed when they examined 200 million policies between 2007 and 2012, and compared car drivers to car users who also have an insured motorcycle.

What they discovered was that those motorcycle riders were 23% less likely on average to make a claim on their car policy.

http://www.behindthe
wheel.com.au/2013/11
/22/motorcyclists-ma
ke-the-best-drivers/
Good and bad drivers and riders everywhere, BUT also worth a read are the results of the report Equity Red Star completed when they examined 200 million policies between 2007 and 2012, and compared car drivers to car users who also have an insured motorcycle. What they discovered was that those motorcycle riders were 23% less likely on average to make a claim on their car policy. http://www.behindthe wheel.com.au/2013/11 /22/motorcyclists-ma ke-the-best-drivers/ Star_reader

11:29pm Tue 10 Dec 13

smith&weston says...

Keva68 wrote:
smith&weston wrote:
And Ill bet he looked to his left first before crossing the carriage way but due to the speed that bikes attain on this stretch of road, they can be up on you in the blink of an eye. Show me a motorcyclist that keeps to the national speed limit on the by pass and I'll show you the real Santa Claus. I have witnessed these bikers tearing up and down the Rainford bypass on Sunday after Sunday but have yet to see any sign of a police operation to bring this deadly game to a halt.
So you have never witnessed car drivers speeding on the bypass ,and you also know the car driver looked left without being there.
Who needs accident investigations or speed traps they can just phone you:-)
I'm sorry you have difficulty reading Keva68 but lets try again. I said ' And I'll bet he looked to his left " didn't claim that he actually did.
Perhaps the Star would like to send a reporter up to the Rainford bypass one Sunday and see for themselves that it is being used as an unofficial race track by motorcyclists who gather at the petrol station forecourt before taking to the bypass and acting like idiots.Strange, isn't it. If BRAKE made the claim, it would be a headline in the Star .
[quote][p][bold]Keva68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: And Ill bet he looked to his left first before crossing the carriage way but due to the speed that bikes attain on this stretch of road, they can be up on you in the blink of an eye. Show me a motorcyclist that keeps to the national speed limit on the by pass and I'll show you the real Santa Claus. I have witnessed these bikers tearing up and down the Rainford bypass on Sunday after Sunday but have yet to see any sign of a police operation to bring this deadly game to a halt.[/p][/quote]So you have never witnessed car drivers speeding on the bypass ,and you also know the car driver looked left without being there. Who needs accident investigations or speed traps they can just phone you:-)[/p][/quote]I'm sorry you have difficulty reading Keva68 but lets try again. I said ' And I'll bet he looked to his left " didn't claim that he actually did. Perhaps the Star would like to send a reporter up to the Rainford bypass one Sunday and see for themselves that it is being used as an unofficial race track by motorcyclists who gather at the petrol station forecourt before taking to the bypass and acting like idiots.Strange, isn't it. If BRAKE made the claim, it would be a headline in the Star . smith&weston

8:21am Wed 11 Dec 13

Everard Edbutt says...

You can't make an illegal turn at anypoint on the bypass without driving over the wire barrier, or flying... There's no rules that state that you have to drive down to a roundabout to turn around?
At the new golf club, the cut through before the Bottle and Glass junction, the Bottle and Glass Junction, Dairy Farm Road, Parsons Brow, Lords Fold, Ormskirk road, Sidings lane etc are all perfectly legitimate places to cross the bypass so in no way ever was it the drivers fault in that regard...
You can't make an illegal turn at anypoint on the bypass without driving over the wire barrier, or flying... There's no rules that state that you have to drive down to a roundabout to turn around? At the new golf club, the cut through before the Bottle and Glass junction, the Bottle and Glass Junction, Dairy Farm Road, Parsons Brow, Lords Fold, Ormskirk road, Sidings lane etc are all perfectly legitimate places to cross the bypass so in no way ever was it the drivers fault in that regard... Everard Edbutt

8:44am Wed 11 Dec 13

Keva68 says...

smith&weston wrote:
Keva68 wrote:
smith&weston wrote:
And Ill bet he looked to his left first before crossing the carriage way but due to the speed that bikes attain on this stretch of road, they can be up on you in the blink of an eye. Show me a motorcyclist that keeps to the national speed limit on the by pass and I'll show you the real Santa Claus. I have witnessed these bikers tearing up and down the Rainford bypass on Sunday after Sunday but have yet to see any sign of a police operation to bring this deadly game to a halt.
So you have never witnessed car drivers speeding on the bypass ,and you also know the car driver looked left without being there.
Who needs accident investigations or speed traps they can just phone you:-)
I'm sorry you have difficulty reading Keva68 but lets try again. I said ' And I'll bet he looked to his left " didn't claim that he actually did.
Perhaps the Star would like to send a reporter up to the Rainford bypass one Sunday and see for themselves that it is being used as an unofficial race track by motorcyclists who gather at the petrol station forecourt before taking to the bypass and acting like idiots.Strange, isn't it. If BRAKE made the claim, it would be a headline in the Star .
My apologies you assumed the car driver looked to the left as you also assumed the Bike was speeding.
As you assumed it was the bikes fault as we'll it's safe to say your observation on bikes using the bypass as a race track is also an assumption.
[quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Keva68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: And Ill bet he looked to his left first before crossing the carriage way but due to the speed that bikes attain on this stretch of road, they can be up on you in the blink of an eye. Show me a motorcyclist that keeps to the national speed limit on the by pass and I'll show you the real Santa Claus. I have witnessed these bikers tearing up and down the Rainford bypass on Sunday after Sunday but have yet to see any sign of a police operation to bring this deadly game to a halt.[/p][/quote]So you have never witnessed car drivers speeding on the bypass ,and you also know the car driver looked left without being there. Who needs accident investigations or speed traps they can just phone you:-)[/p][/quote]I'm sorry you have difficulty reading Keva68 but lets try again. I said ' And I'll bet he looked to his left " didn't claim that he actually did. Perhaps the Star would like to send a reporter up to the Rainford bypass one Sunday and see for themselves that it is being used as an unofficial race track by motorcyclists who gather at the petrol station forecourt before taking to the bypass and acting like idiots.Strange, isn't it. If BRAKE made the claim, it would be a headline in the Star .[/p][/quote]My apologies you assumed the car driver looked to the left as you also assumed the Bike was speeding. As you assumed it was the bikes fault as we'll it's safe to say your observation on bikes using the bypass as a race track is also an assumption. Keva68

9:47am Wed 11 Dec 13

Daisy83 says...

Everard Edbutt wrote:
You can't make an illegal turn at anypoint on the bypass without driving over the wire barrier, or flying... There's no rules that state that you have to drive down to a roundabout to turn around? At the new golf club, the cut through before the Bottle and Glass junction, the Bottle and Glass Junction, Dairy Farm Road, Parsons Brow, Lords Fold, Ormskirk road, Sidings lane etc are all perfectly legitimate places to cross the bypass so in no way ever was it the drivers fault in that regard...
Sorry Everard Edbutt ... I dont remember mentioning that it was an 'illeagle' turn ... was simpy stating that the driver was clearly being too hasty and rather than taking the safest option, given that it was extremley busy (as usual) and added to this there was also a big event on in that exact area, decided to use the cut through instead ... with terrible consequences. I guess some people dont think safe though do they, nor do they think bike, just think of themselves.

And can I remind you that whilst people are on here debating over whos fault this is or isnt there is a poor man extremley poorly as a consequence of this. How about we turn our thoughts to him instead and pray that he pulls through this.
[quote][p][bold]Everard Edbutt[/bold] wrote: You can't make an illegal turn at anypoint on the bypass without driving over the wire barrier, or flying... There's no rules that state that you have to drive down to a roundabout to turn around? At the new golf club, the cut through before the Bottle and Glass junction, the Bottle and Glass Junction, Dairy Farm Road, Parsons Brow, Lords Fold, Ormskirk road, Sidings lane etc are all perfectly legitimate places to cross the bypass so in no way ever was it the drivers fault in that regard...[/p][/quote]Sorry Everard Edbutt ... I dont remember mentioning that it was an 'illeagle' turn ... was simpy stating that the driver was clearly being too hasty and rather than taking the safest option, given that it was extremley busy (as usual) and added to this there was also a big event on in that exact area, decided to use the cut through instead ... with terrible consequences. I guess some people dont think safe though do they, nor do they think bike, just think of themselves. And can I remind you that whilst people are on here debating over whos fault this is or isnt there is a poor man extremley poorly as a consequence of this. How about we turn our thoughts to him instead and pray that he pulls through this. Daisy83

10:23pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Lucky Chris says...

smith&weston wrote:
Sundays on the bypass now resemble a stage of the TT with motorcyclists gathering in great numbers at the Windle Island coffee shop before starting their unofficial time trials on it. Therefor it comes as no surprise to find that the latest accident on there involved a motor cycle
So you are suggesting this bike rider was to blame for speeding?. WRONG. It was caused by a car driver not looking properly. 2 motorcycles travelling with headlights on at less than the speed limit, (Police and witness fact). Look at how many "look out for bikers" signs there are in the centre of the Rainford by pass. Think some car drivers should learn to read them and not throw the blame on to motorcyclists. For the record I was one of the first aiders in attendance and to witness it. Just hope the motorcyclist and partner involved are on the road to recovery.
[quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: Sundays on the bypass now resemble a stage of the TT with motorcyclists gathering in great numbers at the Windle Island coffee shop before starting their unofficial time trials on it. Therefor it comes as no surprise to find that the latest accident on there involved a motor cycle[/p][/quote]So you are suggesting this bike rider was to blame for speeding?. WRONG. It was caused by a car driver not looking properly. 2 motorcycles travelling with headlights on at less than the speed limit, (Police and witness fact). Look at how many "look out for bikers" signs there are in the centre of the Rainford by pass. Think some car drivers should learn to read them and not throw the blame on to motorcyclists. For the record I was one of the first aiders in attendance and to witness it. Just hope the motorcyclist and partner involved are on the road to recovery. Lucky Chris

10:25pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Lucky Chris says...

smith&weston wrote:
And Ill bet he looked to his left first before crossing the carriage way but due to the speed that bikes attain on this stretch of road, they can be up on you in the blink of an eye. Show me a motorcyclist that keeps to the national speed limit on the by pass and I'll show you the real Santa Claus. I have witnessed these bikers tearing up and down the Rainford bypass on Sunday after Sunday but have yet to see any sign of a police operation to bring this deadly game to a halt.
If you knew the facts and what you was on about I may listen. The car driver (He) was actually a woman, Tell me YOU have never broke a speed limit and I will show you a liar. The police are not always visible to you as they use these things called UNMARKED police cars. In fact the police vehicle first on scene was one. Look at how many "look out for bikers" signs there are in the centre of the Rainford by pass. Think some car drivers should learn to read them and not throw the blame on to motorcyclists. For the record I was one of the first aiders in attendance and to witness it. Just hope the motorcyclist and partner involved are on the road to recovery.
[quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: And Ill bet he looked to his left first before crossing the carriage way but due to the speed that bikes attain on this stretch of road, they can be up on you in the blink of an eye. Show me a motorcyclist that keeps to the national speed limit on the by pass and I'll show you the real Santa Claus. I have witnessed these bikers tearing up and down the Rainford bypass on Sunday after Sunday but have yet to see any sign of a police operation to bring this deadly game to a halt.[/p][/quote]If you knew the facts and what you was on about I may listen. The car driver (He) was actually a woman, Tell me YOU have never broke a speed limit and I will show you a liar. The police are not always visible to you as they use these things called UNMARKED police cars. In fact the police vehicle first on scene was one. Look at how many "look out for bikers" signs there are in the centre of the Rainford by pass. Think some car drivers should learn to read them and not throw the blame on to motorcyclists. For the record I was one of the first aiders in attendance and to witness it. Just hope the motorcyclist and partner involved are on the road to recovery. Lucky Chris

10:30pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Lucky Chris says...

Daisy83 wrote:
The point is Smith & Weston 'she' should not have been making that turn in that particular spot regardless of what speed the motorcyclist was doing, and so now due to her stupidity, and yes 'possibly' but definitely not 'presumably' the bikers speed, a terrible accident has happened yet again. Like I said earlier something for ALL drivers to take into account.
Daisy 83 There is no reason why she could not make that turn there, it is perfectly legal. She obviously she have looked correctly before carrying it out.
[quote][p][bold]Daisy83[/bold] wrote: The point is Smith & Weston 'she' should not have been making that turn in that particular spot regardless of what speed the motorcyclist was doing, and so now due to her stupidity, and yes 'possibly' but definitely not 'presumably' the bikers speed, a terrible accident has happened yet again. Like I said earlier something for ALL drivers to take into account.[/p][/quote]Daisy 83 There is no reason why she could not make that turn there, it is perfectly legal. She obviously she have looked correctly before carrying it out. Lucky Chris

10:37pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Lucky Chris says...

So many motorcyclist haters out there. Cant see many comments about any other forms of transport, or in the manor they are driven. People writing the garbage about motorcyclists must drive with blinkers on, only to remove them when bikers go by. Get a life, get a bike!
So many motorcyclist haters out there. Cant see many comments about any other forms of transport, or in the manor they are driven. People writing the garbage about motorcyclists must drive with blinkers on, only to remove them when bikers go by. Get a life, get a bike! Lucky Chris

10:44pm Wed 11 Dec 13

smith&weston says...

The majority of car drivers obey the speed limits on the Rainford bypass, the minority don't. The majority of motorbikes ignore the speed limits on the Rainford bypass, the minority don't. Witnessed this on many occasions when I see bikers approaching the roundabouts on the by pass with their bikes lent right over and one knee virtually scraping the ground. Of course car drivers have to ' think bike " as most bikers are incapable of thinking about anybody else on the roads but their selves.
The majority of car drivers obey the speed limits on the Rainford bypass, the minority don't. The majority of motorbikes ignore the speed limits on the Rainford bypass, the minority don't. Witnessed this on many occasions when I see bikers approaching the roundabouts on the by pass with their bikes lent right over and one knee virtually scraping the ground. Of course car drivers have to ' think bike " as most bikers are incapable of thinking about anybody else on the roads but their selves. smith&weston

2:59pm Thu 12 Dec 13

WTONSkeptic says...

Lucky Chris wrote:
So many motorcyclist haters out there. Cant see many comments about any other forms of transport, or in the manor they are driven. People writing the garbage about motorcyclists must drive with blinkers on, only to remove them when bikers go by. Get a life, get a bike!
Wait till there is something about cyclist, then you see the real bigots come out...
[quote][p][bold]Lucky Chris[/bold] wrote: So many motorcyclist haters out there. Cant see many comments about any other forms of transport, or in the manor they are driven. People writing the garbage about motorcyclists must drive with blinkers on, only to remove them when bikers go by. Get a life, get a bike![/p][/quote]Wait till there is something about cyclist, then you see the real bigots come out... WTONSkeptic

4:59pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Lucky Chris says...

smith&weston wrote:
The majority of car drivers obey the speed limits on the Rainford bypass, the minority don't. The majority of motorbikes ignore the speed limits on the Rainford bypass, the minority don't. Witnessed this on many occasions when I see bikers approaching the roundabouts on the by pass with their bikes lent right over and one knee virtually scraping the ground. Of course car drivers have to ' think bike " as most bikers are incapable of thinking about anybody else on the roads but their selves.
I can get my knee down on most roundabouts at around 15mph. That by the way is not against the law. Some car drivers drive to close, use mobile phones, cut across yellow box junctions to turn left at windle island from the right turn only lane, to name but a few. You not seen this?. Remove your blinkers then.
[quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: The majority of car drivers obey the speed limits on the Rainford bypass, the minority don't. The majority of motorbikes ignore the speed limits on the Rainford bypass, the minority don't. Witnessed this on many occasions when I see bikers approaching the roundabouts on the by pass with their bikes lent right over and one knee virtually scraping the ground. Of course car drivers have to ' think bike " as most bikers are incapable of thinking about anybody else on the roads but their selves.[/p][/quote]I can get my knee down on most roundabouts at around 15mph. That by the way is not against the law. Some car drivers drive to close, use mobile phones, cut across yellow box junctions to turn left at windle island from the right turn only lane, to name but a few. You not seen this?. Remove your blinkers then. Lucky Chris

6:24pm Thu 12 Dec 13

smith&weston says...

'I can get my knee down on most roundabouts at around 15mph.'... why do it in the first place.? Seen plenty of Police bikes being ridden on the by pass ( Merseyside and Lancs used to take them along there for their training ) yet never seen them lean right over with one knee on the ground pretending they were some one completing the TT course. Perhaps other road users would have more respect for motorbikes if they acted with some sort of decorum on our roads instead of pretending they where Barry Sheene every time they got on a bike.
'I can get my knee down on most roundabouts at around 15mph.'... why do it in the first place.? Seen plenty of Police bikes being ridden on the by pass ( Merseyside and Lancs used to take them along there for their training ) yet never seen them lean right over with one knee on the ground pretending they were some one completing the TT course. Perhaps other road users would have more respect for motorbikes if they acted with some sort of decorum on our roads instead of pretending they where Barry Sheene every time they got on a bike. smith&weston

8:37pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Lucky Chris says...

smith&weston wrote:
'I can get my knee down on most roundabouts at around 15mph.'... why do it in the first place.? Seen plenty of Police bikes being ridden on the by pass ( Merseyside and Lancs used to take them along there for their training ) yet never seen them lean right over with one knee on the ground pretending they were some one completing the TT course. Perhaps other road users would have more respect for motorbikes if they acted with some sort of decorum on our roads instead of pretending they where Barry Sheene every time they got on a bike.
Why wake up in the morning?. Takes all sorts to make the world interesting. Police find it difficult to get there knee down as the weight of the equipment in there panniers makes it harder to pick back up again. Perhaps other road users should go on the back of a police bike for a day and see the idiotic, careless driving that motorcyclists have to look out for every outing.
[quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: 'I can get my knee down on most roundabouts at around 15mph.'... why do it in the first place.? Seen plenty of Police bikes being ridden on the by pass ( Merseyside and Lancs used to take them along there for their training ) yet never seen them lean right over with one knee on the ground pretending they were some one completing the TT course. Perhaps other road users would have more respect for motorbikes if they acted with some sort of decorum on our roads instead of pretending they where Barry Sheene every time they got on a bike.[/p][/quote]Why wake up in the morning?. Takes all sorts to make the world interesting. Police find it difficult to get there knee down as the weight of the equipment in there panniers makes it harder to pick back up again. Perhaps other road users should go on the back of a police bike for a day and see the idiotic, careless driving that motorcyclists have to look out for every outing. Lucky Chris

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