Nearly a third of St Helens people struggling with debt, says report

St Helens Star: Nearly a third of St Helens people struggling with debt, says report Nearly a third of St Helens people struggling with debt, says report

A NEW survey has revealed nearly 30per cent of people in St Helens are struggling with debt, placing the town in the top quarter of locations where populations are suffering money worries.

The report states that 8.8 million people in the UK have serious debt problems, but only one in five of this group is currently getting advice to help them cope.

The figures were greeted with a worrying reaction from St Helens North MP Dave Watts, chairman of the campaigning Special Interest Group Of Municipal Authorities, which involves group of MPs representing urban local authorities.

The Money Advice Service report: ‘Indebted Lives: The Complexities of Life in Debt’, brings insights from a survey of more than 5,000 UK adults, and provides a much clearer picture of the lives of those struggling with debt.

It shows St Helens in 49th place out of 406 towns and cities regarding the percentage of the adult population who were in debt. St Helens with 29.2per cent was slightly worse than Glasgow and Wigan.

It reveals that more than four million people have been struggling to pay their bills for more than a year and admit their debt prevents them buying the basics – with families suffering even more.

Those with debt said it has a negative impact on their life and three out of four admitted they were unhappy. But repaying debts is very important to four in five of the 8.8 million who said they would like to pay off their debt as soon as possible.

The service is concerned to find only one in six of all adults experiencing debt difficulties is currently seeking advice to help them deal with their debt.

With Manhcester, Liverpool and Knowsley all having rates at more than 40per cent, MP Mr Watts voiced fears there was a clear link between cuts to local authorities and personal debt.

He said:“It is no surprise that the top five cities where people are the most indebted are all in areas represented by SIGOMA member councils.

“These councils are facing the double whammy of dealing with some of the highest levels of cuts in council funding and their local people struggling to keep in the black.

“Some of these authorities will soon be at the point of being unable to deliver crucial services to its residents who are clearly already struggling to cope.“

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11:56am Tue 3 Dec 13

jumperr says...

Every time these bloody Tories get the vote to run the the country or help to run it,we end up in the s;:t, then have to bale them out has as just happened then they got in again.
Every time these bloody Tories get the vote to run the the country or help to run it,we end up in the s;:t, then have to bale them out has as just happened then they got in again. jumperr

12:18pm Tue 3 Dec 13

EpicConcern says...

jumperr wrote:
Every time these bloody Tories get the vote to run the the country or help to run it,we end up in the s;:t, then have to bale them out has as just happened then they got in again.
Baaa Baaa.
As if it matters which party is in power. They are all the same.
[quote][p][bold]jumperr[/bold] wrote: Every time these bloody Tories get the vote to run the the country or help to run it,we end up in the s;:t, then have to bale them out has as just happened then they got in again.[/p][/quote]Baaa Baaa. As if it matters which party is in power. They are all the same. EpicConcern

1:41pm Tue 3 Dec 13

chris0806 says...

EpicConcern wrote:
jumperr wrote:
Every time these bloody Tories get the vote to run the the country or help to run it,we end up in the s;:t, then have to bale them out has as just happened then they got in again.
Baaa Baaa.
As if it matters which party is in power. They are all the same.
And Labour really made a good job of running the country!!! All the negative statistics coming out over the past year or so are from catastrophes put in place by the last shower of Labour buffoons, who had as much idea about running a country as Labour governments of the 70s!! I'm no Tory, but I recognise incompetence when I see it. Labour should hang their heads in shame for the devastation they have caused.
[quote][p][bold]EpicConcern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jumperr[/bold] wrote: Every time these bloody Tories get the vote to run the the country or help to run it,we end up in the s;:t, then have to bale them out has as just happened then they got in again.[/p][/quote]Baaa Baaa. As if it matters which party is in power. They are all the same.[/p][/quote]And Labour really made a good job of running the country!!! All the negative statistics coming out over the past year or so are from catastrophes put in place by the last shower of Labour buffoons, who had as much idea about running a country as Labour governments of the 70s!! I'm no Tory, but I recognise incompetence when I see it. Labour should hang their heads in shame for the devastation they have caused. chris0806

2:37pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Les Teeling says...

in another local newspaper last week our esteemed leader of the Council was giving it large about the fact that 70% are in employment in this town the largest in Merseyside he also stated that more houses where being constructed and more people where coming to live in St.Helens and in his words he was not stating this as a P.R. stunt not a mention of the townsfolk who are struggling every day to live a decent life not a mention of the hardworking people who have never had a wage increase for years and that includes Council workers or those who have no option but to be on benefits that have been dramatically cut by this Coailition or the pensioners to frightened to turn on their heating and not a mention from this Labour group who supposedly support the people who placed them in power not a word of support or more importantly opposition to these draconian cuts where is the passion the anger the desire to change these attacks on us the people of this town buried under a sea of apathy
in another local newspaper last week our esteemed leader of the Council was giving it large about the fact that 70% are in employment in this town the largest in Merseyside he also stated that more houses where being constructed and more people where coming to live in St.Helens and in his words he was not stating this as a P.R. stunt not a mention of the townsfolk who are struggling every day to live a decent life not a mention of the hardworking people who have never had a wage increase for years and that includes Council workers or those who have no option but to be on benefits that have been dramatically cut by this Coailition or the pensioners to frightened to turn on their heating and not a mention from this Labour group who supposedly support the people who placed them in power not a word of support or more importantly opposition to these draconian cuts where is the passion the anger the desire to change these attacks on us the people of this town buried under a sea of apathy Les Teeling

3:12pm Tue 3 Dec 13

itme says...

Labour treasury secretary Liam Byrne left a note for his conservative successor , which read 'I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." says it all really.
Labour treasury secretary Liam Byrne left a note for his conservative successor , which read 'I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left." says it all really. itme

3:37pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Les Teeling says...

no money left who are they all trying to kid not long ago it was Ossie Osbourne in Communist China now its Deadly Dave with a posse of over a hundred hangers on at over £5,000 per person you have Hunt the ---- once again using tax payers money to close Lewisham Hospital this after losing two cases in the high court and if that bunch of chancers come back with the deal they are looking for can we call them Marxist after all the chinese will then have financed the power industry & HS2
no money left who are they all trying to kid not long ago it was Ossie Osbourne in Communist China now its Deadly Dave with a posse of over a hundred hangers on at over £5,000 per person you have Hunt the ---- once again using tax payers money to close Lewisham Hospital this after losing two cases in the high court and if that bunch of chancers come back with the deal they are looking for can we call them Marxist after all the chinese will then have financed the power industry & HS2 Les Teeling

8:22pm Tue 3 Dec 13

jumperr says...

In the 70s it was split between the two
In the 70s it was split between the two jumperr

2:04pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Sankey says...

All I can see of today's politicians of both parties is who spends the most or most wisely of taxpayers money most of which is borrowed and left for future generations to sort out. Look at the education position for the uk decades of leaving our education system in the hands of the teaching unions and we are left with the most expensive and least productive education systems in the world that will come back on us big time as we are overtaken by other countries and we will have no economy and a huge debt. I see no politician either Tory or labour address these fundamental and frightening issues we face. We must make a start with the useless teaching profession and its immoral unions holding back our young people and out future. Step two is to start to get our competitiveness back and our industry with well educated and motivated youngsters. Curtail also the mass immigration madness as Milton freidman said you can have open borders or a welfare state but not both. Otherwise one day we face social meltdown.
All I can see of today's politicians of both parties is who spends the most or most wisely of taxpayers money most of which is borrowed and left for future generations to sort out. Look at the education position for the uk decades of leaving our education system in the hands of the teaching unions and we are left with the most expensive and least productive education systems in the world that will come back on us big time as we are overtaken by other countries and we will have no economy and a huge debt. I see no politician either Tory or labour address these fundamental and frightening issues we face. We must make a start with the useless teaching profession and its immoral unions holding back our young people and out future. Step two is to start to get our competitiveness back and our industry with well educated and motivated youngsters. Curtail also the mass immigration madness as Milton freidman said you can have open borders or a welfare state but not both. Otherwise one day we face social meltdown. Sankey

7:41am Thu 5 Dec 13

Bill Bradbury says...

I note Sankey is back on his "I hate teachers and the unions" Tory/Daily Mail rubbish. Mind you he knows all about education as he went to school!
Education has always been a political football and, as I have written many times, statistics can be misleading as well as the criteria on which they are drawn. Yes perhaps if we can adopt the South Korean model of schools being open from 6am to 11pm with rote learning of the basics, we would get better exam results. Many of these Far Eastern countries also have a high suicide rate amongst their students. Bring it on if that is his "model" of education. It's certainly not mine.
I note Sankey is back on his "I hate teachers and the unions" Tory/Daily Mail rubbish. Mind you he knows all about education as he went to school! Education has always been a political football and, as I have written many times, statistics can be misleading as well as the criteria on which they are drawn. Yes perhaps if we can adopt the South Korean model of schools being open from 6am to 11pm with rote learning of the basics, we would get better exam results. Many of these Far Eastern countries also have a high suicide rate amongst their students. Bring it on if that is his "model" of education. It's certainly not mine. Bill Bradbury

10:07am Thu 5 Dec 13

barrie timpson says...

With all due respect Bill , New Labour wrecked education. We've plummeted to the depths of the tables worldwide because multiple choice replaced actually being taught something noteworthy. Nobody can spell anymore. It wasn't a problem before.
Teachers are bound to be n favour of a useless system that makes them look good.
With all due respect Bill , New Labour wrecked education. We've plummeted to the depths of the tables worldwide because multiple choice replaced actually being taught something noteworthy. Nobody can spell anymore. It wasn't a problem before. Teachers are bound to be n favour of a useless system that makes them look good. barrie timpson

1:07pm Thu 5 Dec 13

barrie timpson says...

Sankey a question- do you read the Daily Mail?
If not is this hate speech by Bill stigmatising you? ;)
Sankey a question- do you read the Daily Mail? If not is this hate speech by Bill stigmatising you? ;) barrie timpson

1:34pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Sankey says...

Don't read any papers now Barrie there is nothing in any of them complete waste of money.

Bill has no answers other than labelling people our education system is there for all to see and it's his teaching union that has resisted progress preferring to prioritise the interests of teachers this has gone on for the last 50 years. I also don't like the sarcasm that the only people who understand education are those in the education industry shows the arriogance of these people.
Don't read any papers now Barrie there is nothing in any of them complete waste of money. Bill has no answers other than labelling people our education system is there for all to see and it's his teaching union that has resisted progress preferring to prioritise the interests of teachers this has gone on for the last 50 years. I also don't like the sarcasm that the only people who understand education are those in the education industry shows the arriogance of these people. Sankey

2:19pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Sankey says...

Another thing you will hear from the useless self serving education industry is that the profession needs properly trained teachers to improve standards.

Sounds plausible doesn't it ?

What they really mean is young people straight from university going through education factories where they are taught the right way to think e.g left wing

Heaven forbid teachers were people who had achieved something in life beforehand and had a mind of their own. A mate of mine recently put an advert out for 20 new staff in a warehouse the job centre sent 17 Eastern Europeans and three local teenagers. The Eastern European are still there the local lads who were about 19 were finished within two weeks. They were absolutely useless and could not do even the most basic things, this is not their fault but our hopeless education system which is rotten to the core. My mate felt sorry for them but the business is suffering and they had neither the time or money to educate them a job that should have been performed at school.

Why have we arrived at this state of affairs?

Around 6 months ago our bill was enthusing over strikes at our local schools because they wanted to introduce the most mild changes to the teachers performance contracts. Is it any wonder our young people can barely read and write and are thrown in the scrap heap and the scarce jobs go to those hundreds of thousands of people coming from the poorer countries of Europe who despite less resources in their education systems knock spots of our young people.

But the powerful educations unions and those who prosper under it don't care about the blighted lives what matters is their own interest.

It's a national outrage
Another thing you will hear from the useless self serving education industry is that the profession needs properly trained teachers to improve standards. Sounds plausible doesn't it ? What they really mean is young people straight from university going through education factories where they are taught the right way to think e.g left wing Heaven forbid teachers were people who had achieved something in life beforehand and had a mind of their own. A mate of mine recently put an advert out for 20 new staff in a warehouse the job centre sent 17 Eastern Europeans and three local teenagers. The Eastern European are still there the local lads who were about 19 were finished within two weeks. They were absolutely useless and could not do even the most basic things, this is not their fault but our hopeless education system which is rotten to the core. My mate felt sorry for them but the business is suffering and they had neither the time or money to educate them a job that should have been performed at school. Why have we arrived at this state of affairs? Around 6 months ago our bill was enthusing over strikes at our local schools because they wanted to introduce the most mild changes to the teachers performance contracts. Is it any wonder our young people can barely read and write and are thrown in the scrap heap and the scarce jobs go to those hundreds of thousands of people coming from the poorer countries of Europe who despite less resources in their education systems knock spots of our young people. But the powerful educations unions and those who prosper under it don't care about the blighted lives what matters is their own interest. It's a national outrage Sankey

4:12pm Thu 5 Dec 13

barrie timpson says...

I've seen only one teacher over the years out of all of them not clutching a copy of the Guardian.
That man (a lecturer at St Helens college) was an utter genius , his methods far surpassed any of the others.
I've seen only one teacher over the years out of all of them not clutching a copy of the Guardian. That man (a lecturer at St Helens college) was an utter genius , his methods far surpassed any of the others. barrie timpson

11:47pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Bill Bradbury says...

Sankey surprisingly your comment on British workers echoes what a friend of mine who does supply in many high schools around Gtr. Manchester/Lancashir
e that the only ones who appear to work are the Chinese, Indians and those whose parents/cultures that value education many being immigrants. It appears that the British Youth culture aided by parents who could not give a toss for education may appear to take the view of why work and get qualifications for the State and benefits system will owe them a living and maybe why Far eastern students appear to do better, apart from the fact that they attend school from 6am to 10pm. (plus a high suicide rate)

Returning to topic to many families the "Economy" is not Osborne's state of the country but how to pay bills and put food on the table who have had a cut in wages since the Tories gained power of £1600. To them the economy is not improving and is the household budget which they see not getting better plus "Zero contracts" a return to the Dockers "hand on the shoulder" of employment. Take you on when there is work and fire you off when there isn't.b We will be returning to the "poor Law" and workhose mentality before long. Won't happen? It is happening in the USA with low paid workers being told to make up the difference with food stamps MacDonalds and Wal-Mart two of the worst examples.

As to the dubious Pisa tables they are not authoritative nor unquestionable. We come top of kids being happy at schools c.f. the Koreans, Estonians and Poles. Gove will probably announce a national drive to raise misery standards in schools.
Why do I question them? Recall statistics was one of my subjects and I will leave you a statistical method Pisa uses called "Plausibel values" a method that makes up for missing scores. Half the students were not tested on reading. To add more confusion the French students won't guess the answers to multple choice and decline to answer a guess has at least 25% of being right if they did. There is scope for even cheating and some countries exclude weak performers.

There are many other variables with which I could bore my readers but don't believe everything the right wing press says to sensationalise results whose margins from country to country are minimal.
Sankey surprisingly your comment on British workers echoes what a friend of mine who does supply in many high schools around Gtr. Manchester/Lancashir e that the only ones who appear to work are the Chinese, Indians and those whose parents/cultures that value education many being immigrants. It appears that the British Youth culture aided by parents who could not give a toss for education may appear to take the view of why work and get qualifications for the State and benefits system will owe them a living and maybe why Far eastern students appear to do better, apart from the fact that they attend school from 6am to 10pm. (plus a high suicide rate) Returning to topic to many families the "Economy" is not Osborne's state of the country but how to pay bills and put food on the table who have had a cut in wages since the Tories gained power of £1600. To them the economy is not improving and is the household budget which they see not getting better plus "Zero contracts" a return to the Dockers "hand on the shoulder" of employment. Take you on when there is work and fire you off when there isn't.b We will be returning to the "poor Law" and workhose mentality before long. Won't happen? It is happening in the USA with low paid workers being told to make up the difference with food stamps MacDonalds and Wal-Mart two of the worst examples. As to the dubious Pisa tables they are not authoritative nor unquestionable. We come top of kids being happy at schools c.f. the Koreans, Estonians and Poles. Gove will probably announce a national drive to raise misery standards in schools. Why do I question them? Recall statistics was one of my subjects and I will leave you a statistical method Pisa uses called "Plausibel values" a method that makes up for missing scores. Half the students were not tested on reading. To add more confusion the French students won't guess the answers to multple choice and decline to answer a guess has at least 25% of being right if they did. There is scope for even cheating and some countries exclude weak performers. There are many other variables with which I could bore my readers but don't believe everything the right wing press says to sensationalise results whose margins from country to country are minimal. Bill Bradbury

8:18am Sat 7 Dec 13

smith&weston says...

Hard to believe this poverty nonsense as I sit in a traffic queue watching a queue at the towns newly opened 3rd mcDonalds. Not exactly a cheap place to eat. At the other end of the link way, work is underway on yet another pub/restaurant .
Hard to believe this poverty nonsense as I sit in a traffic queue watching a queue at the towns newly opened 3rd mcDonalds. Not exactly a cheap place to eat. At the other end of the link way, work is underway on yet another pub/restaurant . smith&weston

9:08am Sat 7 Dec 13

Bill Bradbury says...

smith&weston wrote:
Hard to believe this poverty nonsense as I sit in a traffic queue watching a queue at the towns newly opened 3rd mcDonalds. Not exactly a cheap place to eat. At the other end of the link way, work is underway on yet another pub/restaurant .
Yes I tend to agree when I see what is being spet in shops. Apple in Liverpool I saw two people spending nearly £1000 on i-pads and someone in Tesco the bill came to over £400. The thought occured to me on reading the headline of this "Debt" story Labour was accused of encouraging the debt culture of spending what we did not have. It looks that perhaps we are building up again the reliance on debt BUT THIS TIME it is to try to pay bills etc. (and some to spend £1000 in Apple store?)

The way we are going a reading some of the right wing comments the Scrooge speech come to mind;- "Are the workhouses not full? Is the Poor Law not operating? Is the treadmill not working?" Bah Humbug!
[quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: Hard to believe this poverty nonsense as I sit in a traffic queue watching a queue at the towns newly opened 3rd mcDonalds. Not exactly a cheap place to eat. At the other end of the link way, work is underway on yet another pub/restaurant .[/p][/quote]Yes I tend to agree when I see what is being spet in shops. Apple in Liverpool I saw two people spending nearly £1000 on i-pads and someone in Tesco the bill came to over £400. The thought occured to me on reading the headline of this "Debt" story Labour was accused of encouraging the debt culture of spending what we did not have. It looks that perhaps we are building up again the reliance on debt BUT THIS TIME it is to try to pay bills etc. (and some to spend £1000 in Apple store?) The way we are going a reading some of the right wing comments the Scrooge speech come to mind;- "Are the workhouses not full? Is the Poor Law not operating? Is the treadmill not working?" Bah Humbug! Bill Bradbury

9:53am Sat 7 Dec 13

Sankey says...

So what's your answer bill ?

Pump money in the public sector and borrow money to pay for it and worry about the future when it happens ? You keep blabbing on about how hard times are might it not be as a result of labours irresponsible spending in the years 2004 to 2010.? When brown and balls let rip ?

As for our children being the happiest at school in the world might it be they have the lowest educational standards applied in the world and can more or less do what they want? I would also imagine our schoolteachers also are the happiest in the world ?

It's fine blaming others for our plight but sooner or later we have to work our way out of it rather than borrowing which is all you mob have to offer
So what's your answer bill ? Pump money in the public sector and borrow money to pay for it and worry about the future when it happens ? You keep blabbing on about how hard times are might it not be as a result of labours irresponsible spending in the years 2004 to 2010.? When brown and balls let rip ? As for our children being the happiest at school in the world might it be they have the lowest educational standards applied in the world and can more or less do what they want? I would also imagine our schoolteachers also are the happiest in the world ? It's fine blaming others for our plight but sooner or later we have to work our way out of it rather than borrowing which is all you mob have to offer Sankey

1:45pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Bill Bradbury says...

"Our schoolteachers are the happiest in the World?" It just shows you how far out of touch you are. They are fed up being a political football at the behest of Gove's Rotweillers Ofsted. As a Governor of 4 schools and Vice Chair of the Schools Forum and the Governor Forum plus Minuting Secretary of my union there is little that escapes me in the education world. I have many teacher contacts who tell me how it is and not what the right wing press state. As You state you never read a paper from where do you get your information and views? Probably the back room of the tap.
How about the Tech Academy now touting for pupils 14-16 for next September. That will do wonders for our high school budgets if enough take the option to hang around town for the day. Not spotted that yet in the local press you read it here first.
"Our schoolteachers are the happiest in the World?" It just shows you how far out of touch you are. They are fed up being a political football at the behest of Gove's Rotweillers Ofsted. As a Governor of 4 schools and Vice Chair of the Schools Forum and the Governor Forum plus Minuting Secretary of my union there is little that escapes me in the education world. I have many teacher contacts who tell me how it is and not what the right wing press state. As You state you never read a paper from where do you get your information and views? Probably the back room of the tap. How about the Tech Academy now touting for pupils 14-16 for next September. That will do wonders for our high school budgets if enough take the option to hang around town for the day. Not spotted that yet in the local press you read it here first. Bill Bradbury

6:47pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Sankey says...

The teachers think they should be immune to the performance standards the rest of the population take for granted

Gove s trying to move the profession into the real world but the education industry and the unions will fight every inch.

I don't care how many committees you are on Bradbury you and those like you are the problem if generations of kids enter the workplace with appallingly low educational attainment that is well down the list of priorities to those who have occupied this vital public service for their own selfish ends.
The teachers think they should be immune to the performance standards the rest of the population take for granted Gove s trying to move the profession into the real world but the education industry and the unions will fight every inch. I don't care how many committees you are on Bradbury you and those like you are the problem if generations of kids enter the workplace with appallingly low educational attainment that is well down the list of priorities to those who have occupied this vital public service for their own selfish ends. Sankey

12:29pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Bill Bradbury says...

Teachers are not "Immune from performance standards" yet another outrageous statement which is not true and shows you know very little about what happens in schools apart from what you believe Gove and the right wing press (which apparently you don't read) tells you. Even his free schools and many Academies are failing, Sweden's PSI results were down being one who went down the Free school route now trying to extract themselves from it.
Incidentally Performance Management or Appraisal started in the 90's as Teacher Development. Yet another intiative that bit the dust.
Teachers are not "Immune from performance standards" yet another outrageous statement which is not true and shows you know very little about what happens in schools apart from what you believe Gove and the right wing press (which apparently you don't read) tells you. Even his free schools and many Academies are failing, Sweden's PSI results were down being one who went down the Free school route now trying to extract themselves from it. Incidentally Performance Management or Appraisal started in the 90's as Teacher Development. Yet another intiative that bit the dust. Bill Bradbury

3:28pm Mon 9 Dec 13

PM says...

jumperr wrote:
Every time these bloody Tories get the vote to run the the country or help to run it,we end up in the s;:t, then have to bale them out has as just happened then they got in again.
No, these Tories are different even from the Thatcher Tories. We now have the UK as the only G8 Country in which The Red Cross are distributing emergency food aid to the population.
[quote][p][bold]jumperr[/bold] wrote: Every time these bloody Tories get the vote to run the the country or help to run it,we end up in the s;:t, then have to bale them out has as just happened then they got in again.[/p][/quote]No, these Tories are different even from the Thatcher Tories. We now have the UK as the only G8 Country in which The Red Cross are distributing emergency food aid to the population. PM

3:30pm Mon 9 Dec 13

PM says...

chris0806 wrote:
EpicConcern wrote:
jumperr wrote:
Every time these bloody Tories get the vote to run the the country or help to run it,we end up in the s;:t, then have to bale them out has as just happened then they got in again.
Baaa Baaa.
As if it matters which party is in power. They are all the same.
And Labour really made a good job of running the country!!! All the negative statistics coming out over the past year or so are from catastrophes put in place by the last shower of Labour buffoons, who had as much idea about running a country as Labour governments of the 70s!! I'm no Tory, but I recognise incompetence when I see it. Labour should hang their heads in shame for the devastation they have caused.
Really? there is another data over the past three years to show the increase in poverty,hunger and debt is increasing rapidly under the Tories. Foodbanks a growth industry? in the UK? Only under the Tories.
[quote][p][bold]chris0806[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EpicConcern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jumperr[/bold] wrote: Every time these bloody Tories get the vote to run the the country or help to run it,we end up in the s;:t, then have to bale them out has as just happened then they got in again.[/p][/quote]Baaa Baaa. As if it matters which party is in power. They are all the same.[/p][/quote]And Labour really made a good job of running the country!!! All the negative statistics coming out over the past year or so are from catastrophes put in place by the last shower of Labour buffoons, who had as much idea about running a country as Labour governments of the 70s!! I'm no Tory, but I recognise incompetence when I see it. Labour should hang their heads in shame for the devastation they have caused.[/p][/quote]Really? there is another data over the past three years to show the increase in poverty,hunger and debt is increasing rapidly under the Tories. Foodbanks a growth industry? in the UK? Only under the Tories. PM

3:35pm Mon 9 Dec 13

PM says...

smith&weston wrote:
Hard to believe this poverty nonsense as I sit in a traffic queue watching a queue at the towns newly opened 3rd mcDonalds. Not exactly a cheap place to eat. At the other end of the link way, work is underway on yet another pub/restaurant .
You can get a burger for 99p , not sure where you eat but I call that cheap.I'd say fast food outlets, pound shops, charity shops are all sign of a local economy weighed down by poverty.
[quote][p][bold]smith&weston[/bold] wrote: Hard to believe this poverty nonsense as I sit in a traffic queue watching a queue at the towns newly opened 3rd mcDonalds. Not exactly a cheap place to eat. At the other end of the link way, work is underway on yet another pub/restaurant .[/p][/quote]You can get a burger for 99p , not sure where you eat but I call that cheap.I'd say fast food outlets, pound shops, charity shops are all sign of a local economy weighed down by poverty. PM

4:12pm Mon 9 Dec 13

barrie timpson says...

PM wrote:
chris0806 wrote:
EpicConcern wrote:
jumperr wrote:
Every time these bloody Tories get the vote to run the the country or help to run it,we end up in the s;:t, then have to bale them out has as just happened then they got in again.
Baaa Baaa.
As if it matters which party is in power. They are all the same.
And Labour really made a good job of running the country!!! All the negative statistics coming out over the past year or so are from catastrophes put in place by the last shower of Labour buffoons, who had as much idea about running a country as Labour governments of the 70s!! I'm no Tory, but I recognise incompetence when I see it. Labour should hang their heads in shame for the devastation they have caused.
Really? there is another data over the past three years to show the increase in poverty,hunger and debt is increasing rapidly under the Tories. Foodbanks a growth industry? in the UK? Only under the Tories.
Actually, it's not just a Tory government that food bank use increased under.
Food banks started under New Labour in 2005 and there use either increased ,doubled or tripled each successive year.
[quote][p][bold]PM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris0806[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EpicConcern[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jumperr[/bold] wrote: Every time these bloody Tories get the vote to run the the country or help to run it,we end up in the s;:t, then have to bale them out has as just happened then they got in again.[/p][/quote]Baaa Baaa. As if it matters which party is in power. They are all the same.[/p][/quote]And Labour really made a good job of running the country!!! All the negative statistics coming out over the past year or so are from catastrophes put in place by the last shower of Labour buffoons, who had as much idea about running a country as Labour governments of the 70s!! I'm no Tory, but I recognise incompetence when I see it. Labour should hang their heads in shame for the devastation they have caused.[/p][/quote]Really? there is another data over the past three years to show the increase in poverty,hunger and debt is increasing rapidly under the Tories. Foodbanks a growth industry? in the UK? Only under the Tories.[/p][/quote]Actually, it's not just a Tory government that food bank use increased under. Food banks started under New Labour in 2005 and there use either increased ,doubled or tripled each successive year. barrie timpson

4:21pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Sankey says...

So all we need to do is vote labour and we are instantly back to prosperity and food banks will be a distant memory. We have had 13 years of a labour government and 3 of a coalition so whatever the country is like now is substantively the outcome of labours rule where we had a buoyant growing economy and ended up with the biggest recession for a hundred years. And anyone who thinks this can be solved by simply changing to another set of suits running the country is just about as stupid as you can get. The truth is if we are to get out of this we had better start educating our kids properly and stop paying out more than we earn and start encouraging enterprise. That's the hard truth.
So all we need to do is vote labour and we are instantly back to prosperity and food banks will be a distant memory. We have had 13 years of a labour government and 3 of a coalition so whatever the country is like now is substantively the outcome of labours rule where we had a buoyant growing economy and ended up with the biggest recession for a hundred years. And anyone who thinks this can be solved by simply changing to another set of suits running the country is just about as stupid as you can get. The truth is if we are to get out of this we had better start educating our kids properly and stop paying out more than we earn and start encouraging enterprise. That's the hard truth. Sankey

4:24pm Mon 9 Dec 13

barrie timpson says...

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/labours-record
-on-poverty-in-tatte
rs-1681047.html

I think this says it all really. Poverty was heavily on the increase under New Labour , so it's not just The Tories that it flourishes under.
http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/labours-record -on-poverty-in-tatte rs-1681047.html I think this says it all really. Poverty was heavily on the increase under New Labour , so it's not just The Tories that it flourishes under. barrie timpson

9:26am Tue 10 Dec 13

Sankey says...

These are hard times living standards have been hit the Tories are in power so it must be the Tories fault so goes the thinking of the typical labour supporter.

Not the fact we have spent ten years prior with both public and private debt totally out of control along with welfare and immigration putting immense pressure on public services which we paid for by borrowing. Add in the mix we no longer have an economy where we make things and earn foreign currency and people wonder why things are bad,

The truth is we as a country are poor and will get a lot poorer it's been hidden by borrowing and much of the current growth is by using personal savings.

Thinking things will get better with ed balls in charge is to hide from reality
These are hard times living standards have been hit the Tories are in power so it must be the Tories fault so goes the thinking of the typical labour supporter. Not the fact we have spent ten years prior with both public and private debt totally out of control along with welfare and immigration putting immense pressure on public services which we paid for by borrowing. Add in the mix we no longer have an economy where we make things and earn foreign currency and people wonder why things are bad, The truth is we as a country are poor and will get a lot poorer it's been hidden by borrowing and much of the current growth is by using personal savings. Thinking things will get better with ed balls in charge is to hide from reality Sankey

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