Swimmers seeting at St Helens Council decision to axe Sutton pool

Angry: Swimmers who reguarly use the Sutton pool feel they have been let down by St Helens Council. Angry: Swimmers who reguarly use the Sutton pool feel they have been let down by St Helens Council.

SWIMMERS are seething over a decision by senior councillors to go against public opinion and vote through plans to shut the pool at Sutton Leisure Centre.

Labour members on St Helens Council’s cabinet members unanimously approved the proposals to “mothball and close” the pool, which will save £180,000 a year.

Deputy council leader Barrie Grunewald said swingeing cuts by the Government to council budgets meant “unpalatable” decisions have to be made.

The council has suffered a £36m cut in funding until 2012/2013 – with a further £14m to be slashed in coming years.

He said the council’s priority is to protect “front line services” and regretfully services at Sutton Leisure Centre would have to be reduced.

Ninety eight per cent of the 163 people who responded individually to the council’s public consultation were against the pool being shutdown.

A petition of 1,142 names objecting to the proposals was also submitted.

The decision angered swimming enthusiasts, who gathered at the meeting and stormed out after being unable to ask questions or voice their opinions.

The bulk of them were pensioners, who use the pool to keep fit.

Pensioner Margaret Jones summed up the feeling of Sutton swimmers at the decision to axe the pool when she said: “We are all absolutely gutted”.

Margaret, 68, is just one of the dozens of older people who use Sutton Leisure Centre’s pool as a place for gentle exercise and to socialise.

However, shortly the plug will be pulled on a venue that many have used for more than a decade, often following advice from GPs.

Margaret, acting as spokeswoman for more than 20 swimmers, said: “We went to that meeting, told it was a public meeting, but we could not have our say, it didn’t seem right.

“I’ve been going there for 11 years. It started just for exercise but as you spend time there you become friends.

“We used to go in a morning but we went through the business of having those hours cut – now they are taking it away altogether.

“We even said we’d be willing to be more membership or charges but they took no notice.

“They say ‘go to Queens Park or go to Parr’ but they are chock-a-block.

“The councillors talked about comparing us to other towns – such as Wigan. We don’t care about that. We’re bothered about areas like Sutton, Thatto Heath and Bold who are losing out because of this.”

Legally, members of the public can attend hearings but they are not allowed to speak.

There was also fury among some Star readers as it emerged that opening hours at Sutton Leisure Centre are also set to reduced, meaning it will operate only on weekdays between 4pm and 10pm.

It will open only on weekends “as required to accommodate events”.

The move, which some claim was not made clear when the council starting consulted last year, would have significant staffing savings and curt operational costs.

Sutton Leisure Centre was subsidised by the council to a cost of £284,000 a year, £180,000 a direct subsidy of the pool.

It is staffing that is the biggest cost at the pool, with savings from the pool closure of £110,000 being made, as opposed to £67,858 for running costs, such as cleaning and rates There is thought to be little likelihood of the pool reopening in the near future.

The council attempted to put a positive spin on the news it was cutting back a sports facility less than six months after the London 2012 Olympics.

It pointed to recent improvement works at Parr pool, which have increased “the number of water areas” in which swimming lessons can be held.

This has led to lessons, previously held at Sutton, being moved to Parr.

Cllr Grunewald also pointed to research that the axing of the pool would still leave St Helens with more water space per 1,000 of population than neighbouring Wigan.

However, the decision means there is now less space to swim per person in St Helens than in Warrington, Halton, Knowsley and West Lancashire.

Critics argue that the main pool at Parr has simply been divided, meaning that although there are more “water areas” the pool space is less.

Even with Sutton running, swimmers have said that the pools can often be cramped and be busy.

The St Helens borough is left with pools at Queens Park, Parr and Selwyn Jones.

Comments(8)

moonman77 says...
4:52pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Goodness me get your bus passes or fancy cars out and get to Parr and support that pool. These people weren’t brought up with luxuries I’m sure, so what’s up now? You’re going to have to travel 3 miles in times of austerity when all working people are fighting for employment.

keepitreel says...
6:13pm Mon 21 Jan 13

moonman77,has i have said to before it is the underhand way we have been lied to by this backstabbing council,how come the pool in SUTTON was supposed to having a revue and consultation before any closure,but the pool in PARR was having another expensive upgrade AND an additional carpark built to cover the addition users from SUTTON a full 6 months before the council meeting,they (RIMMER) has lied to the people of SUTTONS faces and left her henchman to spoit the mantra,WERE are our local LABOUR council members,hiding in the clockface labour club as per normall,i hope the voters get a reminder from the star when voting is due.

redchimp says...
6:15pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Once again the council show contempt for the need of leisure facilities for the desire of cutting the quick penny. The fact that they are thinking of cutting costs rather than thinking of increasing the income is very negative and shows the lack of interest the council have for the town's peoples' leisure time.

It is easy saying to people to go Parr but the timetable at Parr shows that during the 14 hours a day the centre is open on average only for public use for 5 hours 2 in the morning 1 at lunch 2 in the evening. Is that really acceptable?

As for the SPIN of pool space, they compare to Wigan, I would rather compare it to our own council 10 years ago where there was a 33meter pool at Parr (to the 25 meter and 8meter teaching area) and more significantly 30 meter pool and 15 meter teaching pool at Queens (compared to the one 25 meter pool now where only 15 meters in the deeper water is available between 4-7 'peak hours' due to lessons) SO is there really more pool space available seeing you are taking away the 25 meters from Sutton which is taking people's jobs and income which is the reason for cutting the pool.

Finally the sports fields ie Astroturf and indoor pitches are in extreme demand especially after the closure of 'Fives' where many adults and juniors played on weekends, yet our council instead of seizing on this by promoting the use of the outdoor astroturf at Sutton, decide to close the centre over the weekends when it would be in high demand.

It seems very questionable for them to judge this in a manner of cost cutting, unless it leads to the council gaining a grant for another leisure facility as they have previously...

mummy1 says...
1:01am Wed 23 Jan 13

its ]ust another example of ripping the heart out of sutton..............
.......no leisure facilities no libraries no community centres nice one sthelens and for what would it cost????????????????
/ get rid of a senior leader wages then pension contributions yes please,,,,,,,,,,,,,

oldlancashire says...
12:48pm Wed 23 Jan 13

It is a disgraceful decision taken by the Council...... Where did our local councillors stand on this, and where have they disappeared to? ..... no doubt they will be making a rimmer prepared statement on this when they magically re-appear in public.
Cut the Councillor numbers and not much needed leisure facilities.

Sankey says...
9:44am Thu 24 Jan 13

Cutbacks never apply to the highly paid cronies on the council and we are not being told the truth on the councils finances. The council are sitting on huge liquid balances around £120m for a future rainy day. The council could easily afford to keep the pool open the decision is political and wanting to make as many cuts as possible to front line services to make a statement about the current government. The people of St. Helens are the last priority of these people who serve themselves and their politics first.

anthonywilson says...
7:43pm Thu 24 Jan 13

It needs to be pointed out yet again that there was NO mention in the consultation about the change of opening hours or the fact that the Sutton Leisure Centre would close at weekends.
As Sankey points out the Council does have financial reserves it could call upon if it really wanted to keep the swimming pool open. Redchimp exposes the myths and St Helens Council spin in relation to the size of the swimming pools compared to other local authorities.
Based on the most recent members allowances statement on the Council website, the 48 Councillors currently get an allowance of £7,386 each costing a total of £354,528. If there was only one Councillor in each of the 16 wards there would be a saving of £236,000.

WolfieSmith says...
3:30pm Sun 27 Jan 13

I'll look forward to my Council Tax rebate.

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